Fragile Swords

Rikonai

This team was built around the idea of trying to take down most common threats and trying to negate weather teams. Most of these pokemon run mvoesets which is unorthodox to the metagame today which catches a lot of people off guard.


Haxorus @Choice band
Jolly - Mold breaker
Evs: 4hp/252 atk/252speed
-Outrage
- Earthquake
-Night Slash
- Taunt

Basically an anti lead which effectively takes out most other leads. It can ohko if not 2hko most offensive and support leads. This lead is mainly used as a suicide lead, if it's still alive after a set of outrages, that's when I would switch it out.

Ferrothorn @Rocky Helmet
Relaxed - iron barbs
Evs: 56 hp/52 atk/200def/200spD/ 0 speed
-Curse
-Gyro ball
-Sandstorm
-Sunny day

This is probably the most unorthodox pokemon on the team. Dual weather to negate the drizzle/drought/sand stream/warning after Haxorus hopefully takes out their lead if the opponent was unlucky enough to leave it in. Also the physical wall of the team. Curse + Gyroball is an amazing combination and the rocky helmet + iron barbs combo is pretty sweet as extra damage. However I'm considering changing one of the moves due to the fact that gyro ball only has 8 pp.

Infernape @life orb
Hasty - blaze
Evs: 28 atk/ 228spA/ 252 speed
-Close Combat
-Flamethrower
-Grass knot
- HP Ice

A typical mixed infernape set, just a mixed sweeper brought in usually to the end of the game or to take down walls like ferrothorn gliscor and swampert. It also wrecks shop on Tyranitar as I usually only see full special infernapes these days.

Latios @Life orb
Timid - levitate
Evs: 4HP/ 252 spA/ 252 Speed
-Thunderbolt
-ice beam
-Surf
-Psychic

My Special sweeper, something more generic, I'm thinking about switching to a scarf just so i can use it as a revenge killer. Though it's really good coverage especially with Infernape. I don't know if ice beam is needed though, or if infernape needs hp ice when i can just switch Latios in..


Conkledurr @flame orb
Adamant - Guts
Ev's 252 Atk/ 100 def/ 156 SpD
-Mach Punch
-Drain Punch
-Protect
-Payback
Mach punch is my only priority move on this team, and it's really handy, especially with the guts boost. Protect is there so if I need to switch this in, I can get the guts boost and Payback for predicting the switch into a ghost pokemon. Drain punch also good for restoring health lost because of burns.

Jirachi @Lum Berry
Adamant - Serene Grace
Ev's 4HP/252 defense/252 SpD
- Body Slam
- Iron Head
- Wish
-Protect
This hax-rachi, it used to have thunder wave instead of body slam however iron head does terribly against those which resist it. Basically this Jirachi's job is to paralyze sweepers and if absolutely needed, flinch hax a pokemon. Wish is there to restore health to the fragile nature of this team. I'm still not sure if running adamant is the best choice on this set but yes. It's also my back up physical wall and also my special wall.


Just some general feedback. This is my first attempt to make a genuine and unique set of pokemon. This fairs pretty well in the metagame and I have about a 70%ish win rate so far.
 
You definitely want Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse on Latios, to give him a more reliable STAB over Psychic or Surf.

Protect is absolutely useless on Conkeldurr, so instead give him Bulk Up. This allows him to beef himself up on predicted switches, allowing him to sweep more easily.

Also, your Ferrothorn is terrible. If you mean to build an anti-weather team, it is far far far better to build an anti-weather core. As I do not want to change your team members around too much, you will want to read up on anti-weather cores for yourself and improve your team accordingly.

Finally, get your EV spreads right. Read the analysis for each of your team members and use actual EV spreads that have been tailored specially to each Pokemon's needs. Don't tell me your EV spreads are right, your Conkeldurr only has 502 EVs.
 
Because it is a life orb set, I'd rather not have Draco Meteor on Latios and Surf is there mainly because of my lack of a water Pokemon or anything to counter Fire types, it's a good switch in especially when an opponent tries to take out my Ferro.

Protect on Conkledurr's Main use is to get my Flame Orb to activate. Because he's always going to get the residual damage, I'd rather try to keep as much health on him than switch in and take a hit.

Ferrothorn terrible though? Yeah the Ev's are quite weird and pretty spread, I'm thinking of changing it to a pure defensive Ferro but it's main role like I said is to take out the weather. It's Ev Spread is mainly based on trying not to get ohko so it can get to set up that weather. The EV Spreads there are pretty much right as they are on my team though i might have forgotten to add 6/8 Ev's on a stat.. can't believe it's been a month and I still havent picked up on that haha. They're all customised to suit this team and the specific roles of this team alone.

Haxorus: More of a suicide lead
Ferro: Weather Changer/Physical wall
Infernape: Mixed sweeper
Latios: Special offense
Conkledurr: Physical offense/Revenge killer
Jirachi: more of a Special wall

But yeah switching Ferro to pure defense and Jirachi to pure special defense is what I'm thinking. Latios switches in on fire pokes or EQ. Switch in to Conkledurr if a dark or ghost pokemon comes in. Switch into Jirachi if a psychic pokemon comes in or any sweeper and try to get the paralyze to hinder them then switch any of the pokes back in.
 
Rikonai said:
Because it is a life orb set, I'd rather not have Draco Meteor on Latios and Surf is there mainly because of my lack of a water Pokemon or anything to counter Fire types, it's a good switch in especially when an opponent tries to take out my Ferro. Ummmm. What?

Protect on Conkledurr's Main use is to get my Flame Orb to activate. Because he's always going to get the residual damage, I'd rather try to keep as much health on him than switch in and take a hit. Switch him in to activiate Flame Orb

Ferrothorn terrible though? Yeah the Ev's are quite weird and pretty spread, I'm thinking of changing it to a pure defensive Ferro but it's main role like I said is to take out the weather. It's Ev Spread is mainly based on trying not to get ohko so it can get to set up that weather. The EV Spreads there are pretty much right as they are on my team though i might have forgotten to add 6/8 Ev's on a stat.. can't believe it's been a month and I still havent picked up on that haha. They're all customised to suit this team and the specific roles of this team alone. Ferro can only counter rain. He can do well against SS, but he's smashed in sun. the closest pokemon to countering all weather is bronzong

Haxorus: More of a suicide lead I don't know how to respond to that
Ferro: Weather Changer/Physical wall
Infernape: Mixed sweeper Try using the normal spread
Latios: Special offense
Conkledurr: Physical offense/Revenge killer
Jirachi: more of a Special wall If it's a special wall, put some EVs on it

But yeah switching Ferro to pure defense and Jirachi to pure special defense is what I'm thinking. Latios switches in on fire pokes or EQ. Switch in to Conkledurr if a dark or ghost pokemon comes in. Switch into Jirachi if a psychic pokemon comes in or any sweeper and try to get the paralyze to hinder them then switch any of the pokes back in.
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1) Draco Meteor from Latios can OHKO a good deal of the metagame, while Psychic leaves you as setup fodder for a huge portion of the metagame.

2) Have you even tested this team? Flame Orb activates the turn you switch in.

3) There is actually no such thing as a lead. A dedicated suicide lead that is not named DualScreenMomento Latios is detrimental to your team.

4) Many of your EVs are not optimal. For one, Jirachi's optimal EVs for a Specially Defensive set are 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe. Infernape also is not getting key OHKOs and 2HKOs (more of the latter) with that suboptimal spread.
 
yeah, listen to box. He alrdy said most of what I was gonna say.
for one thing, most of the times its better to put in your ev into HP for your pokes to survive hits. Your Jirachi could be a lot better with EV into HP instead of 252 into Def and SpDef.

wtf is taunt doing on a choice band haxorous? like, do you even ever use that move?

another option for conkledurr's 4th move is Fling. I personally find that there is rarely any time to bulk up with flameorb conkledurr, so I instead run Fling to potentially take care of gliscor that switches in.
 
No offense do some test battles then post
Haxorus-night slash? Wtf taunt on a banded set?wtf
Ferrothorn-no comment if your new to battling use standard sets,if you want sun use nine tails, if to want sand use t-tar or hippo. Gyro ball is easily resisted by a lot of stuff like rotom-w and your team doesn't really benefit form Ur weather...
Infernpae-fire blast>flamethrower
Latios-uhhh just ditch ice beam and get a dragon attack and psyshock over psychic and it's ok...
Conkeldurr-stone edge over protect
Jirachi-max HP.

Sorry, there is noway you win 70% of your battles with this team unless your playing like the elite four
 
Thanks for all the criticism really. Appreciate it a lot.

The number one criticism I got is to test this team, which I have been doing for the past 3 weeks (during my spare time because I'm really busy with Uni/College and all). I've tested this out on online battle sims (because I dont really wanna battle using my ds using a subpar team), about 70ish battles, especially Pokemon online and It does fair quite well, as surprising as it may sound to everyone. In the main server ou ladder i reached top 2000 and I'm just starting out on the smogon ladder.


Aeromence: Ferrothorn is actually pretty great at countering the sun when switched in against chlorophyl users. For Conkle, look below for my explanation. Infernape's spread is based on the specially based mixed attacker spread back in 4th gen, Which still works pretty effectively in the current metagame. And yeah I switched Jirachi has been changed


Box: I guess I really should tweak the ev's to their more optimal levels, but hey these sets really throw people off guard heaps. I've tweaked Jirachi a couple to be the specially defensive set and it does work better than the set I had.I will test out Draco Meteor in Latios but wouldn't that mean i would need to switch it out more so it's special attack doesn't drop too low? I switched out Ice beam for Draco. And yes I know flame orb activates the turn I switch in but like I said, i'd rather put it in during a safe switch and use protect to preserve as much health as possible. Also I find it useful for speed boost blaziken or meinchow when they hi jump kick. (though I don't see them as often) I just find protect is more useful because like zenmotor said, i don't really have time to bulk up, especially when burned.

Zenmotor Absolutely correct about taunt I actually don't use it becuase I find myself relying on outrage o.o Seriously it just does a decent chunk of damage, the only two pokes I have found it can't consistently 2hko is Ferrothorn (which usually does 40ish percent on the normal sets), Slowbro and Jirachi. TBH I don't actually know what to put on this Haxorus because I see outrage as it's most superior move.. like even following the analysis I don't really see Brick break Rock slide or any other dragon move as effective


Regirock Don't get me wrong, I HAVE tested this team with success.And I've been playing OU since 5th gen started out so I have a pretty good feel right now for the standard metagame. Haxorus usually uses outrage but hey, I actually don't have a dark move on this team apart from payback on conkle, it comes in handy every once in a blue moon. Haxorus like I said relies more on outrage. Ferrothorn? did you read what I said about weather? lol. I prefer flamethrower over fire blast just because yes fireblast has a better ohko chance but I prefer to be accurate. Jirachi I did end up changing but hey, the only things which could ohko that thing were a stabbed earthquake or a banded dragonite fire punch.
 
What does Night Slash hit harder than Outrage on Haxorus? There's no pokemon 4x weak to Dark moves and no Steel type that's weak to them either, so I can't see it hit anything harder than Outrage at all.

120 * 1.5 > 70 * 2
 
LIke what I said to Zenmotor, i actually don't find any move more useful on haxorus, I should probably put brick break on him just to get rid of screeners as other offensive moves would be overshadowed by outrage? and what should I do with taunt haha
 
Choice Banded Taunt is an idea bourne of drugs. What are you huffing, can I have some? Brick Break hits Ferrothorn far harder than Earthquake FYI, and is superior to Night Slash in every way possible.

And yes I know flame orb activates the turn I switch in but like I said, i'd rather put it in during a safe switch and use protect to preserve as much health as possible.
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Okay now I'm starting to get angry. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING!? So you are meaning to tell me that you switch Conkeldurr into something he is safe against (e.g. Tyranitar, perhaps). Flame Orb activates, then you PROTECT, allowing yourself to take burn damage while scouting a move which would have done little damage or switch-in that you could have hit hard with +1 Mach Punch.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!? How does that, in any way, preserve HP?
 
Box said:
Okay now I'm starting to get angry. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING!? So you are meaning to tell me that you switch Conkeldurr into something he is safe against (e.g. Tyranitar, perhaps). Flame Orb activates, then you PROTECT, allowing yourself to take burn damage while scouting a move which would have done little damage or switch-in that you could have hit hard with +1 Mach Punch.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!? How does that, in any way, preserve HP?
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No, no, no, no I mean switching it in after a pokemon has fainted. Protect to scout/activate the flame orb and then go on from there. Sorry that's the definition of "safe switch" I have picked up from watching commentaries and sorry if it's different from the actual definition. Forgive my noob-ness for i'm still fresh in this community haha. The only time I'd really switch Conkledurr in to take an opponent's attack is to take a will-o or a toxic.

and yup just switched haxorus to brick break
 
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