Froslass (UU analysis)*

www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/froslass

[Overview]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique and effective Pokemon in UU. Froslass's primary role is to quickly and easily set up Spikes, which it does quite well thanks to its
base 110 Speed. Additionally, its Ghost-typing ensures that no entry hazards will be spun away while it is setting them up.</p>

<p>Froslass also has access to Taunt and Destiny Bond, which both work exceptionally well with its
high Speed. Taunt allows Froslass to shut down other Pokemon while also forcing them to attack and likely be KOed by Destiny Bond. With a bulky EV spread, Froslass also can use Pain Split to make itself a functioning Rapid Spin blocker.</p>

[SET]
name: Suicide Lead
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Destiny Bond
move 4: Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Focus Sash
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set abuses Froslass's access to a quick Destiny Bond after it lays
its Spikes. With 350 Speed, not many Pokemon will be outpacing Froslass. The strategy is quite simple: use Spikes until Froslass is low on HP and then Destiny Bond for the potential kill, making the score even but with Spikes on the opponent's side of the field. Taunt prevents opponents from setting up. Additionally, if your opponent has an attack that doesn't damage Froslass, you can use Taunt to force it to attack or switch out. If you predict correctly, you will either take out their lead or set up another layer of Spikes.</p>

<p>
Maximum Special Attack is recommended with this set because Froslass is holding a Focus Sash, making defenses not worth investing in. It also gives Froslass the ability to OHKO Donphan. Maximum Speed gives Froslass the ability to outpace Pokemon like Scyther and Mismagius. This means Froslass can hit them with a quick Taunt and Destiny Bond before they get a chance to set up.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The choice between Shadow Ball and Ice Beam is a tough one, but Ice Beam is recommended because otherwise Froslass cannot OHKO Donphan. Shadow Ball's purpose is to take out opposing Froslass while also hitting Pokemon like Alakazam super effectively. If you have another Ghost-type, Shadow Ball is a good choice. Otherwise, Ice Beam is the preferred option.</p>

<p>This set has trouble with very specific leads. Ambipom is difficult to take down because it is faster than Froslass, and it learns Pursuit
. Froslass's best bet against it is to set up a layer of Spikes and then faint. Spiritomb also poses a problem with the dual threat of Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. This means you will likely need some hard hitters or another Ghost-type to block Rapid Spin so that your layers of Spikes remain on the field. Pokemon like Moltres and Magmortar prevent the use of Rapid Spin by at the very least 2HKOing every Rapid Spinner. Mismagius and Rotom can block Rapid Spin while also taking advantage of Spikes.</p>

[SET]
name: Bulky
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt / Trick
move 3: Pain Split
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Bulky Froslass may seem odd at first given Froslass's poor defensive stats. However, it can easily defeat most common Rapid Spinners, as well as
being able to to survive longer in order to set up more Spikes or switch in later to block Rapid Spin.</p>

<p>Spikes is obvious on a set like this. Ice Beam functions as
Froslass's STAB move of choice, as it is capable of hitting Donphan (a top UU Rapid Spinner) for super effective damage. Taunt can be used to prevent opponents from setting up on the offensively weak Froslass. Trick, on the other hand, takes advantage of the defensive nature of many Rapid Spinners, crippling them with a Choice Scarf. Pain Split keeps Froslass healthy and allows it to weaken many common Rapid Spinners, most of which do not carry recovery moves other than Rest.</p>

<p>The EVs of this set are specifically made to survive two Pursuits from Ambipom and four Pursuits from Spiritomb (without a Choice Band). The HP EVs are lowered and added into Defense to ensure that Froslass takes minimal damage from Stealth Rock. 32
Speed EVs with a Timid nature allow Froslass to outpace neutral natured base 95s such as Leafeon and Drapion.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>One of this set's most important qualities is that it can beat many common Rapid Spinners. Hitmontop is easily
prevented from using Foresight and Rapid Spin with Taunt or Trick. Donphan is beaten as long as Froslass is moderately healthy, since it can switch into almost any attack from Donphan and survive. After surviving, Froslass can use Pain Split and Ice Beam to put Donphan out of business. Blastoise will actually beat Froslass eventually, but Froslass can set up on Blastoise and switch out. If Froslass absolutely cannot switch out without putting another teammate at risk, Pain Split will put Blastoise well under 50%, giving one of Froslass's teammates the task of simply forcing it out or KOing it.</p>

<p>The choice between Trick and Taunt is definitely a tough one as they are both quite effective at doing different things. Trick is recommended if you are leading with Froslass so that you can set up an almost guaranteed layer of Spikes on many of Froslass's usual counters. However, Taunt is much more effective outside of the lead position because it stops all Pokemon from setting up, while Trick only stops one. Both moves also differ when it comes to disabling Hitmontop, the most common Rapid Spinner. Trick allows
Froslass to cripple Hitmontop permanently instead of being forced to predict each switch, but Taunt is more reliable since she cannot always Trick Hitmontop the Choice Scarf.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes allow other Pokemon to sweep much more effectively. Moltres and Swellow in particular benefit from Spikes, which drastically reduce the amount of Pokemon that can switch in and survive their assaults. Additionally, Spikes really complement a Pokemon with Roar or Whirlwind on a more defensive team. Steelix is a good candidate for a Roar user since it resists Rock-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks. Arcanine is also an option since it has an easy time switching into Fire-type attacks.</p>

<p>Froslass has trouble with strong Fire-type attackers such as Arcanine, Houndoom,
Blaziken, since they can easily switch into any of Froslass's attacks. This makes Water-types such as Milotic and Azumarill excellent teammates for Froslass. Pursuit users also cause trouble for Froslass, so using Dugtrio to remove Drapion, Absol, and Houndoom before Froslass enters is a good idea.</p>

name: Hail Spiker
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Blizzard
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set aims to abuse Froslass's
Snow Cloak ability, which allows it to evade attacks 20% of the time while hail is active. With Substitute and Leftovers, Froslass has an easy time "forcing" the opponent to miss, thus getting a free turn to set up Spikes. With a bulky EV spread, Froslass will even be able to take a couple of hits while setting up Spikes. Protect is used for scouting Choiced attackers and abusing Leftovers recovery and hail damage. Thunder Wave and Confuse Ray also help Froslass get additional turns of Leftovers recovery, and they can also give Froslass a chance to set up a Substitute. Blizzard is useful for checking Pokemon such as Rhyperior and Torterra, while also giving Froslass a strong attack to use when behind a Substitute with all three layers of Spikes already down. It also prevents Froslass from being Taunt bait.</p>

<p>
A bulky EV spread is used with this set so that it doesn't rely purely on the opponent missing to set up Spikes. It also allows Froslass to benefit more from Leftovers and Protect.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Confuse Ray and Thunder Wave can be used over Protect on this set since they
make the opponent's attack fail 50% or 25% of the time respectively. However, Protect not only allows Froslass to scout the opponent's moves, but it also allows Froslass to force the opponent to take an extra round of hail damage. Additionally, Protect is very useful when against a Choiced Pokemon since you eliminate prediction.</p>

<p>This set obviously relies on Snover for
setting up permanent hail. Froslass also complements Snover with its immunity to Fighting-type attacks. If a Fighting-type Pokemon switches into Snover's Leech Seed, Snover can simply switch to Froslass. This allows Froslass to stall the opponent with Leech Seed by using a combination of Protect and Substitute.</p>

<p>This Froslass has trouble with bulky Pokemon who resist Blizzard, especially Pokemon who can set up due to this set lacking Taunt. Substitute Feraligatr in particular has an easy time setting up on Froslass because it can
use Substitute as Froslass does and Dragon Dance so that it outspeeds Froslass, and it will eventually be able to OHKO Froslass, provided it doesn't get horribly unlucky. This means using a Pokemon such as Venusaur to deal with Feraligatr is a good idea.</p>

<p>Froslass also benefits from Pokemon who lure out other Pokemon who
allow it to set up. Torterra and Venusaur are great at luring Ice- and Bug-type attacks which Froslass resists and can set up a Substitute against. Froslass also benefits from Rapid Spin support since it is weak to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good teammate for Froslass because it can not only use Rapid Spin, but it also resists Rock-type attacks aimed at Froslass.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>No non-lead Froslass set functions to its full potential without Rapid Spin support. Additionally, Stealth Rock support helps hit the Pokemon who are immune to Spikes, making sure your opponent is always punished for switching, unless they are using Clefable. Donphan is a great candidate for fulfilling these roles, since it has access to both Rapid Spin and Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes cause many Pokemon to be very difficult to handle, but there are a few in particular that are especially hard to face. Moltres is arguably the best Pokemon to use with Froslass, since there are less than three common Pokemon (Azumarill, Altaria, and Chansey) who can safely switch in and beat Moltres. Additionally, Swellow and Scyther work quite well with Spikes because of their strong U-turns and grounded counters. It should be noted that all of these Pokemon benefit from Rapid Spin support.</p>

<p>Defensively, Froslass generally has trouble with Fire-type Pokemon because they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO Froslass. Kabutops and Aggron also cause Froslass trouble since they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO with their STAB Rock-type attacks. This makes Blastoise a great teammate for Froslass, as it has high Defense and resists Fire-type attacks. Milotic and Azumarill also work well in this regard. Hitmontop is a great teammate for Froslass since it can not only reliably use Rapid Spin against common Ghost-types, but it can also easily switch into Rock-type attacks.</p>


[Optional Changes]

<p>Froslass can be an effective sweeper because of its unique STABs, great movepool, and 350 Speed. With Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt, and Trick, Froslass can deal some major damage to the opposing team, especially since it won't be expected. A Life Orb could be used as well, but with Hidden Power Fire on the last slot instead of Trick. However, Froslass simply does not do enough damage to 1-2HKO most Pokemon because of its mediocre Special Attack stat.</p>


[Counters]

<p>Fire-types such as Arcanine and Houndoom cause major trouble for Froslass, since it cannot do much to hurt them while they easily KO it in return. Rock-types that aren't weak to Ice Beam, such as Kabutops and Aggron, easily beat Froslass as well. Cloyster is also a very solid Froslass counter, since it can use Rock Blast to KO Froslass and then Rapid Spin the Spikes away. Pokemon with powerful Pursuits are also quite good against Froslass since it is fairly frail and can't do much to most Dark-type Pokemon anyway. Spiritomb, Houndoom, and Drapion come to mind as good Pursuit users since they don't take much damage from Ice Beam.</p>

<p>In the lead position, Ambipom with Taunt is a good way to stop all Froslass from setting up, even though it won't 2HKO some Froslass with Pursuit. Moltres and Spiritomb also work since they OHKO Froslass, limiting the Focus Sash lead to one layer of early-game Spikes.</p>
 
I think you could expand on the Counters section. Rock Blast Armaldo and Cloyster could defeat Froslass, keeping it from setting up multiple layers of Spikes. Each of them have access to Rapid Spin as well, so they could Spin away the entry hazards set up. Pursuit users could easily defeat Froslass as well. You could probably mention Spiritomb since it can use Pursuit and avoid Destiny Bond by using Will-O-Wisp. It also has the highest Special Defense of all Dark-types in UU (I think), so it won't take too much damage from Ice Beam in the process, should Froslass use it.

That's all I have to say for now, I might have other stuff later on.
 
I think you could expand on the Counters section. Rock Blast Armaldo and Cloyster could defeat Froslass, keeping it from setting up multiple layers of Spikes. Each of them have access to Rapid Spin as well, so they could Spin away the entry hazards set up. Pursuit users could easily defeat Froslass as well. You could probably mention Spiritomb since it can use Pursuit and avoid Destiny Bond by using Will-O-Wisp. It also has the highest Special Defense of all Dark-types in UU (I think), so it won't take too much damage from Ice Beam in the process, should Froslass use it.

That's all I have to say for now, I might have other stuff later on.
I'll put Cloyster in there. I'll give Spiritomb and other Pursuiters a mention as well.

Armaldo isn't really common, and it does take quite a bit from switching into SR, Spikes, and Ice Beam.

Spiritomb is actually not as surefire a counter as one would think either because of Pain Split, however I do think it is worth it to mention Pursuiters.

Not going to be able to update this until Friday, most likely.
 
www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/froslass

[Overview]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique and effective Pokemon in UU. Froslass's primary role is to quickly and easily set up [deleted] Spikes, which it does quite easily thanks to its 110 Base Speed. [deleted] Additionally, its Ghost-typing ensures that no entry hazards will be spun away while it is setting them up.</p>

<p>Froslass also has access to Taunt and Destiny Bond [deleted ,] which both work exceptionally well with its Speed. Taunt allows Froslass to shut down other Pokemon [deleted ,] while also forcing them to attack and likely be KOed by Destiny Bond. With a bulky EV spread, Froslass also can use Pain Split to make itself a functioning Rapid Spin blocker.</p>

[SET]
name: Bulky
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt / Trick
move 3: Pain Split
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set focuses on Froslass's ability to set up Spikes while beating many common Rapid Spinners. Donphan fails to 2HKO Froslass with Earthquake due to Pain Split [deleted ,] and is then KOed by Ice Beam. Hitmontop gets Taunted, and thus cannot harm Froslass. Blastoise can beat Froslass one on one, but Froslass can still severely weaken Blastoise to the point that it cannot switch in anymore.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique Pokemon in the UU metagame because of its typing and movepool. With access to Taunt, immunity to Rapid Spin, and Spikes, Froslass makes a versatile support Pokemon. With defensive EVs, Froslass can withstand many neutral STAB attacks and use Pain Split to heal off damage, making it a good Rapid Spin blocker in addition to being an excellent Spiker.</p>

<p>Froslass boasts a high 290 Speed stat, allowing it to set up Spikes before the opponent has a chance to move. Ice Beam and Pain Split allow Froslass to beat many important [important how?] Pokemon, including Donphan. With Taunt or Trick, Froslass does not have any trouble with Hitmontop, since it can no longer use Foresight.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes allow other Pokemon to sweep much more effectively. In particular, Moltres and Swellow [deleted] benefit from Spikes, since it drastically reduces the amount of Pokemon that can switch in and live. Additionally, [deleted ,] Spikes really compliment a Pokemon with Roar or Whirlwind on a more defensive team. Steelix is a good candidate for a Roar user [deleted ,] since it resists Rock-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks. Arcanine is also an option [deleted ,] since it has an easy time switching into Fire-type attacks.</p>

<p>Froslass has trouble with strong Fire-type attackers such as Arcanine, Houndoom, and Blaziken since they can easily switch into any of Froslass's attacks. This makes Water-types such as Milotic and Azumarill excellent teammates for Froslass.</p>

[SET]
name: Suicide Lead
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Destiny Bond
move 4: Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Focus Sash
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set focuses on setting up Spikes within the first couple turns, preventing the opponent from setting up, and taking your opponent's lead out of the match. It will almost always set up one layer of Spikes and guarantee a kill with Destiny Bond.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the previous set, this set abuses Froslass's access to a quick Destiny Bond after it lays Spikes. With 350 Speed, not many Pokemon will be outpacing Froslass. The strategy is quite simple: use Spikes until Froslass has 1 HP left, then Destiny Bond for the kill. If your opponent has an attack that doesn't damage Froslass, you can use Taunt to force them to attack or switch out. If you predict correctly, you will either take out their lead or set up another layer of Spikes.</p>

<p>This set has trouble with very specific leads. [deleted] Ambipom is definitely going to be difficult to take down because it is faster than Froslass and it learns Pursuit. Froslass's best bet is to set up a layer of Spikes and then faint. Spiritomb also poses a problem with the dual threat of Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. This means you will likely need some hard hitters or another Ghost-type to block Rapid Spin so that your layer of Spikes remains on the field. Pokemon like Moltres and Magmortar do a good job of making sure the opponent doesn't get a chance to use Rapid Spin by at the very least 2HKOing every Rapid Spin user [deleted]. Mismagius and Rotom make good partners [deleted] with their ability to block Rapid Spin while also taking advantage of [deleted] Spikes.</p>

[SET]
name: Hail Abuser
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
item: Leftovers / BrightPowder
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 224 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set aims to abuse Froslass's ability, Snow Cloak, which allows it to evade attacks 20% of the time in hail. With Substitute and Leftovers, Froslass has an easy time "forcing" the opponent to miss, and thus getting a free turn to set up Spikes or use Thunder Wave, causing the opponent to hit you even less.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This is Froslass's most annoying set, simply because it essentially "forces" the opponent to miss with Substitute and Snow Cloak. Once Froslass gets a Substitute up, it can lay Spikes, cripple the opponent even further with Thunder Wave, or possibly KO them with its 100% accurate STAB Blizzard.</p>

<p>Confuse Ray can be used over Thunder Wave on this set [deleted ,] since it makes the opponent's attack fail 50% of the time as opposed to Thunder Wave's 25%. The main drawback is that a Pokemon has 25% to break out of confusion, while paralysis cannot be removed unless the opponent has natural cure or a Pokemon with Heal Bell or Aromatherapy.</p>

<p>This Froslass has trouble with bulky Pokemon that resist Blizzard and can set up quite easily. Substitute Feraligatr in particular has an easy time setting up on Froslass because it can Substitute as Froslass does, [deleted] Dragon Dance so that it outspeeds Froslass, and will eventually KO Froslass, provided it doesn't get horribly unlucky. This means using a Pokemon such as Venusaur to deal with Feraligatr is a good idea.</p>

<p>Froslass benefits from Pokemon who lure out other Pokemon that let it set up. Torterra and Venusaur are great at luring Ice- and Bug-types, both of whose STAB attacks Froslass resists and can set up a Substitute on. Froslass also benefits from Rapid Spin support since it is weak to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good teammate for Froslass because it can not only Rapid Spin, but it also resists Rock-type attacks [deleted] aimed at Froslass.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Froslass can be an effective sweeper because of its unique STABs, great movepool, and 350 Speed [deleted]. With Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt, and Trick, Froslass can deal some major damage to the opposing team, especially since it won't be expected. A Life Orb could be used as well, but with Hidden Power Fire on the last slot instead of Trick.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Any non-lead Froslass set does not function to its full potential without Rapid Spin support. Additionally, Stealth Rock support helps hit the Pokemon who are immune to Spikes, making sure your opponent is always punished for switching, unless they are using Clefable. Donphan is a great candidate for fulfilling these roles, since it has access to both Rapid Spin and Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes cause many Pokemon to be very difficult to handle, but there are a few in particular that are especially hard to face. Moltres is arguably the best Pokemon to use with Froslass, since there are less than three common Pokemon who can safely switch in and beat Moltres. Additionally, Swellow and Scyther work quite well with Spikes because of their strong U-turns and grounded counters. It should be noted that all of these Pokemon benefit from Rapid Spin support.</p>

<p>Defensively, Froslass generally has trouble with Fire-type Pokemon because they resist Ice Beam and can [deleted] OHKO Froslass. Kabutops and Aggron also cause Froslass trouble since they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO with their STAB Rock-type attacks. This makes Blastoise a great teammate for Froslass, as it has high Defense and resists Fire-type attacks. Milotic and Azumaril also work well in this regard. Donphan is also a great teammate for Froslass, as mentioned earlier. Not only does Donphan set up Stealth Rock and provide Rapid Spin support, but it also has an easy time switching into Rock-type attacks aimed at Froslass.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Fire-types such as Arcanine and Houndoom cause major trouble for Froslass since it cannot do much to hurt them while they easily KO it in return. Rock-types that aren't weak to Ice Beam, such as Kabutops and Aggron, easily beat Froslass as well. Cloyster is also a very solid Froslass counter, since it can use Rock Blast to KO Froslass and then Rapid Spin the Spikes away. Pokemon with powerful Pursuits are also quite good against Froslass since it is fairly frail and can't do much to most Dark-type Pokemon anyway. Spiritomb, Houndoom, and Drapion come to mind as good Pursuit users since they don't take much damage from Ice Beam.</p>

<p>In the lead position, Ambipom with Taunt is a good way to stop all Froslass from setting up, even though it won't 2HKO some Froslass with Pursuit. Moltres and Spiritomb also work since they OHKO Froslass, limiting the Focus Sash lead to 1 layer of early game Spikes.</p>
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I said I'd proofread this for you, so here you are:

[Overview]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique and effective Pokemon in UU. Froslass's primary role is to quickly and easily set up Spikes, which it does quite well [You already said easily before, try to avoid repetition.] thanks to its 110 base Speed. Additionally, its Ghost-typing ensures that no entry hazards will be spun away while it is setting them up.</p>

<p>Froslass also has access to Taunt and Destiny Bond which both work exceptionally well with its Speed. Taunt allows Froslass to shut down other Pokemon while also forcing them to attack and likely be KOed by Destiny Bond. With a bulky EV spread, Froslass also can use Pain Split to make itself a functioning Rapid Spin blocker.</p>

[SET]
name: Bulky
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt / Trick
move 3: Pain Split
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set focuses on Froslass's ability to set up Spikes while beating many common Rapid Spinners. Donphan fails to 2HKO Froslass with Earthquake due to Pain Split and is then KOed by Ice Beam. Hitmontop gets Taunted, and thus cannot harm Froslass with a Foresighted Close Combat. Blastoise can beat Froslass one on one, but Froslass can still severely weaken Blastoise to the point that it cannot switch in anymore.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique Pokemon in the UU metagame because of its typing and movepool. With access to Taunt and Spikes and an immunity to Rapid Spin makes B]Froslass[/B]a versatile support Pokemon. With defensive EVs, Froslass can withstand many neutral STAB attacks and use Pain Split to heal off damage, making it a good Rapid Spin blocker in addition to being an excellent Spiker.</p>

<p>Froslass boasts a high 290 Speed stat, allowing it to set up Spikes before the opponent has a chance to move. Ice Beam and Pain Split allow Froslass to beat many Rapid Spinners and walls, including Donphan. With Taunt or Trick, Froslass does not have any trouble with Hitmontop, since it can no longer use Foresight [Technically, Hitmontop can still use Foresight if it's been Tricked.].</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes allow other Pokemon to sweep much more effectively. In particular, Moltres and Swellow benefit from Spikes, since it drastically reduces the amount of Pokemon that can switch in and live. Additionally, Spikes really compliment a Pokemon with Roar or Whirlwind on a more defensive team. Steelix is a good candidate for a Roar user since it resists Rock-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks. Arcanine is also an option since it has an easy time switching into Fire-type attacks.</p>

<p>Froslass has trouble with strong Fire-type attackers such as Arcanine, Houndoom, and Blaziken since they can easily switch into any of Froslass's attacks. This makes Water-types such as Milotic and Azumarill excellent teammates for Froslass. [What about Pursuiters?]</p>

[SET]
name: Suicide Lead
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Destiny Bond
move 4: Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Focus Sash
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set focuses on setting up Spikes within the first couple turns, preventing the opponent from setting up, and taking your opponent's lead out of the match. It will almost always set up one layer of Spikes and guarantee a kill with Destiny Bond.</p>
[Space this section out.]
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the previous set, this set abuses Froslass's access to a quick Destiny Bond after it lays Spikes. With 350 Speed, not many Pokemon will be outpacing Froslass. The strategy is quite simple: use Spikes until Froslass is low on HP [Froslass is not always going to be at 1 HP], then Destiny Bond for the potential [It's not always guaranteed.] kill. If your opponent has an attack that doesn't damage Froslass, you can use Taunt to force them to attack or switch out. If you predict correctly, you will either take out their lead or set up another layer of Spikes.</p>

<p>This set has trouble with very specific leads. Ambipom is definitely going to be difficult to take down because it is faster than Froslass and it learns Pursuit. Froslass's best bet is to set up a layer of Spikes and then faint. Spiritomb also poses a problem with the dual threat of Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. This means you will likely need some hard hitters or another Ghost-type to block Rapid Spin so that your layer of Spikes remain on the field. Pokemon like Moltres and Magmortar do a good job of making sure the opponent doesn't get a chance to use Rapid Spin by at the very least 2HKOing every Rapid Spinner. Mismagius and Rotom make good partners with their ability to block Rapid Spin while also taking advantage of Spikes.</p>

[SET]
name: Hail Abuser
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
item: Leftovers / BrightPowder
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 224 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set aims to abuse Froslass's ability, Snow Cloak, which allows it to evade attacks 20% of the time while hail is active. With Substitute and Leftovers, Froslass has an easy time "forcing" the opponent to miss, and thus getting a free turn to set up Spikes or use Thunder Wave, causing the opponent to hit you even less.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This is Froslass's most annoying set, simply because it essentially "forces" the opponent to miss with Substitute and Snow Cloak. Once Froslass gets a Substitute up, it can lay Spikes, cripple the opponent even further with Thunder Wave, or possibly KO them with its 100% accurate STAB Blizzard.</p>

<p>Confuse Ray can be used over Thunder Wave on this set since it makes the opponent's attack fail 50% of the time as opposed to Thunder Wave's 25%. The main drawback is that a Pokemon has a 25% chance to break out of confusion, while paralysis cannot be removed unless the opponent has Natural Cure or a Pokemon with Heal Bell or Aromatherapy.</p>

<p>This Froslass has trouble with bulky Pokemon that resist Blizzard and can set up quite easily [What does that mean? It doesn't make sense the way you worded it.] . Substitute Feraligatr in particular has an easy time setting up on Froslass because it can Substitute as Froslass does, Dragon Dance so that it outspeeds Froslass, and will eventually KO Froslass, provided it doesn't get horribly unlucky. This means using a Pokemon such as Venusaur to deal with Feraligatr is a good idea.</p>

<p>Froslass benefits from Pokemon who lure out other Pokemon that let it set up. Torterra and Venusaur are great at luring Ice- and Bug-types which Froslass resists and can set up a Substitute against them. Froslass also benefits from Rapid Spin support since it is weak to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good teammate for Froslass because it can not only Rapid Spin, but it also resists Rock-type attacks aimed at Froslass.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Froslass can be an effective sweeper because of its unique STABs, great movepool, and 350 Speed. With Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt, and Trick, Froslass can deal some major damage to the opposing team, especially since it won't be expected. A Life Orb could be used as well, but with Hidden Power Fire on the last slot instead of Trick. [If this set is effective, why isn't it in the analysis? Is it outclassed by something in particular? There should be reason because you're saying positive comments about the set.]</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Any non-lead Froslass set does not function to its full potential without Rapid Spin support. Additionally, Stealth Rock support helps hit the Pokemon who are immune to Spikes, making sure your opponent is always punished for switching, unless they are using Clefable. Donphan is a great candidate for fulfilling these roles, since it has access to both Rapid Spin and Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes cause many Pokemon to be very difficult to handle, but there are a few in particular that are especially hard to face. Moltres is arguably the best Pokemon to use with Froslass, since there are less than three common Pokemon [Who?] who can safely switch in and beat Moltres. Additionally, Swellow and Scyther work quite well with Spikes because of their strong U-turns and grounded counters. It should be noted that all of these Pokemon benefit from Rapid Spin support.</p>

<p>Defensively, Froslass generally has trouble with Fire-type Pokemon because they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO Froslass. Kabutops and Aggron also cause Froslass trouble since they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO with their STAB Rock-type attacks. This makes Blastoise a great teammate for Froslass, as it has high Defense and resists Fire-type attacks. Milotic and Azumaril also work well in this regard. Donphan is also a great teammate for Froslass, as mentioned earlier. Not only does Donphan set up Stealth Rock and provide Rapid Spin support [You already said this.], but it also has an easy time switching into Rock-type attacks aimed at Froslass.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Fire-types such as Arcanine and Houndoom cause major trouble for Froslass, since it cannot do much to hurt them while they easily KO it in return. Rock-types that aren't weak to Ice Beam, such as Kabutops and Aggron, easily beat Froslass as well. Cloyster is also a very solid Froslass counter, since it can use Rock Blast to KO Froslass and then Rapid Spin the Spikes away. Pokemon with powerful Pursuits are also quite good against Froslass since it is fairly frail and can't do much to most Dark-type Pokemon anyway. Spiritomb, Houndoom, and Drapion come to mind as good Pursuit users since they don't take much damage from Ice Beam.</p>

<p>In the lead position, Ambipom with Taunt is a good way to stop all Froslass from setting up, even though it won't 2HKO some Froslass with Pursuit. Moltres and Spiritomb also work since they OHKO Froslass, limiting the Focus Sash lead to one layer of early-game Spikes.</p>
Great job Heysup. The only thing format problem you have is Team Options is below Other Options, which shouldn't be the case.
 

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The analyses for each set seem to be a short and are lacking important info. The Bulky set doesn't have any discussion of the merits of using Trick and Scarf in place of the normal (and probably better) Leftovers + Taunt set. The Suicide analysis needs to mention the merits of Ice Beam and Shadow Ball (e.g. Ice Beam hits most Pokemon harder and is not completely walled by Normal-types, but Shadow Ball hits opposing Froslass harder). The Hail Abuser needs to have Snover mentioned as a teammate. There might be some more crucial info missing, in which case I'll edit my post if I find more (and you'll probably be better at finding it than me, because you play UU far more than I do (and you're much better at UU too :P)).
 
I thought the Hail abuser set now looked something like this:

name: Hail Spiker
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Blizzard / Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / BrightPowder
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

Personally, not considering Protect seems kind of silly to me. The problem of predictable vs random misses occurs here, and each help/hurt both players. However, I believe that the Hail user stands to have a greater advantage/disadvantage, which is why I think that Protect could at least be considered. Ice Beam over Blizzard is also something to consider if Froslass ends up using the attack a lot or goes up against Pressure Pokémon a lot. Finally, why lose out on the bulk? You may probably know better than I do that Froslass can take quite a few hits with a bulky spread. Xianglongfa and BurtonEarny could probably make a better case for all this than I did.

I also personally don't like the term "Hail Abuser" because I think that it oversimplifies the role that Froslass plays in Hail teams. The name "Hail Spiker" seems more appropriate because it highlights exactly what Froslass excels at doing in a Hail team. Snow Cloak is icing on the cake rather than the defining quality of Froslass (though it does have a major positive impact on her role).

One final note: On the Bulky set, I think that you should specify, "Hitmontop gets Taunted, and thus cannot harm Froslass unless it uses Foresight on the switch."
 
The analyses for each set seem to be a short and are lacking important info. The Bulky set doesn't have any discussion of the merits of using Trick and Scarf in place of the normal (and probably better) Leftovers + Taunt set. The Suicide analysis needs to mention the merits of Ice Beam and Shadow Ball (e.g. Ice Beam hits most Pokemon harder and is not completely walled by Normal-types, but Shadow Ball hits opposing Froslass harder). The Hail Abuser needs to have Snover mentioned as a teammate. There might be some more crucial info missing, in which case I'll edit my post if I find more (and you'll probably be better at finding it than me, because you play UU far more than I do (and you're much better at UU too :P)).
Yea good catch I don't know why I left those out....thanks.

EDIT: Added those descriptions in.

I thought the Hail abuser set now looked something like this:

name: Hail Spiker
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Blizzard / Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / BrightPowder
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

Personally, not considering Protect seems kind of silly to me. The problem of predictable vs random misses occurs here, and each help/hurt both players. However, I believe that the Hail user stands to have a greater advantage/disadvantage, which is why I think that Protect could at least be considered. Ice Beam over Blizzard is also something to consider if Froslass ends up using the attack a lot or goes up against Pressure Pokémon a lot. Finally, why lose out on the bulk? You may probably know better than I do that Froslass can take quite a few hits with a bulky spread. Xianglongfa and BurtonEarny could probably make a better case for all this than I did.

I also personally don't like the term "Hail Abuser" because I think that it oversimplifies the role that Froslass plays in Hail teams. The name "Hail Spiker" seems more appropriate because it highlights exactly what Froslass excels at doing in a Hail team. Snow Cloak is icing on the cake rather than the defining quality of Froslass (though it does have a major positive impact on her role).

One final note: On the Bulky set, I think that you should specify, "Hitmontop gets Taunted, and thus cannot harm Froslass unless it uses Foresight on the switch."
Fixed that.

Anyway Xianglongfa wouldn't tell me his Froslass spread so I just used this one -_-. I'll take your word for it and add this one in though.
 

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Run that spread and slash is Thunderbolt as main option over Confusion Ray and Thunder Wave. Its a very important move from my experience with hail this metagame since it allows you to smack Blastoise with Thunderbolt instead of giving it a free turn to Foresight and spin on you. My two cents, and by the way, I'm running that spread currently its really more effective than the 252/252 spread.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique and effective Pokemon in UU. Froslass's primary role is to quickly and easily set up Spikes, which it does quite well thanks to its 110 base Speed. Additionally, its Ghost-typing ensures that no entry hazards will be spun away while it is setting them up.</p>

<p>Froslass also has access to Taunt and Destiny Bond,[comma before which] which both work exceptionally well with its Speed. Taunt allows Froslass to shut down other Pokemon while also forcing them to attack and likely be KOed by Destiny Bond. With a bulky EV spread, Froslass also can use Pain Split to make itself a functioning Rapid Spin blocker.</p>

[SET]
name: Bulky
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt / Trick
move 3: Pain Split
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set focuses on Froslass's ability to set up Spikes while beating many common Rapid Spinners. Donphan fails to 2HKO Froslass with Earthquake due to Pain Split and is then KOed by Ice Beam. Taunt stops Hitmontop from using Foresight, which means it cannot hit Froslass with Close Combat or Rapid Spin. Blastoise can beat Froslass one on one, but Froslass can still severely weaken Blastoise to the point that it cannot switch in anymore.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique Pokemon in the UU metagame because of its typing and movepool. Access to Taunt and Spikes and an immunity to Rapid Spin makes Froslass a versatile support Pokemon. With defensive EVs, Froslass can withstand many neutral STAB attacks and use Pain Split to heal off damage, making it a good Rapid Spin blocker in addition to being an excellent Spiker.</p>

<p>Froslass boasts a high 290 Speed stat, allowing it to set up Spikes before the opponent has a chance to move. Ice Beam and Pain Split allow Froslass to beat many Rapid Spinners and walls, including Donphan. With Taunt or Trick, Froslass does not have any trouble with Hitmontop, since it can no longer use Foresight unless it catches Froslass on the switch.</p>

<p>The choice between Trick and Taunt is definitely a tough one as they are both quite effective at doing different things. Trick is recommended if you are leading with Froslass so that you can set up an almost guaranteed layer of Spikes on many of Froslass's usual counters. However, Taunt is much more effective outside of the lead position because it stops all Pokemon from setting up, while Trick only stops one. Both moves also differ when it comes to disabling Hitmontop, the most common Rapid Spinner. Trick allows you to cripple Hitmontop permanently instead of being forced to predict each switch, but Taunt is more reliable since you cannot always Trick Hitmontop the Choice Scarf. [I felt that combining all the Hitmontop mentions at the end flows better]</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes allow other Pokemon to sweep much more effectively. Moltres and Swellow in particular benefit from Spikes, which drastically reduce the amount of Pokemon that can switch in and survive their assaults. Additionally, Spikes really complement a Pokemon with Roar or Whirlwind on a more defensive team. Steelix is a good candidate for a Roar user since it resists Rock-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks. Arcanine is also an option since it has an easy time switching into Fire-type attacks.</p>

<p>Froslass has trouble with strong Fire-type attackers such as Arcanine, Houndoom, and Blaziken since they can easily switch into any of Froslass's attacks. This makes Water-types such as Milotic and Azumarill excellent teammates for Froslass. Pursuiters also cause trouble for Froslass, so using Dugtrio to remove Drapion, Absol, and Houndoom before Froslass enters is a good idea.</p>

[SET]
name: Suicide Lead
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Destiny Bond
move 4: Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Focus Sash
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set focuses on setting up Spikes within the first couple of turns, preventing the opponent from setting up, and taking your opponent's lead out of the match. It will almost always set up one layer of Spikes and guarantee a kill with Destiny Bond.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the previous set, this set abuses Froslass's access to a quick Destiny Bond after it lays Spikes. With 350 Speed, not many Pokemon will be outpacing Froslass. The strategy is quite simple: use Spikes until Froslass is low on HP, then Destiny Bond for the potential kill. If your opponent has an attack that doesn't damage Froslass, you can use Taunt to force it to attack or switch out. If you predict correctly, you will either take out their lead or set up another layer of Spikes.</p>

<p>The choice between Shadow Ball and Ice Beam is a tough one, but Ice Beam is recommended because otherwise Froslass cannot OHKO Donphan. Shadow Ball's purpose is to take out opposing Froslass while also hitting Pokemon like Alakazam super effectively. If you have another Ghost-type, Shadow Ball is a good choice. Otherwise, Ice Beam is the preferred option.</p>

<p>This set has trouble with very specific leads. Ambipom is definitely going to be difficult to take down because it is faster than Froslass and it learns Pursuit. Froslass's best bet is to set up a layer of Spikes and then faint. Spiritomb also poses a problem with the dual threat of Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. This means you will likely need some hard hitters or another Ghost-type to block Rapid Spin so that your layers of Spikes remain on the field. Pokemon like Moltres and Magmortar prevent the use of Rapid Spin by at the very least 2HKOing every Rapid Spinner. Mismagius and Rotom can block Rapid Spin while also taking advantage of Spikes.</p>

name: Hail Spiker
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Blizzard
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set aims to abuse Froslass's ability, Snow Cloak, which allows it to evade attacks 20% of the time while hail is active. With Substitute and Leftovers, Froslass has an easy time "forcing" the opponent to miss, thus getting a free turn to set up Spikes. With bulky EVs, Froslass will even be able to take a couple hits while setting up Spikes.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This is Froslass's most annoying set, simply because it essentially "forces" the opponent to miss with Substitute and Snow Cloak. Once Froslass gets a Substitute up, it can lay Spikes or possibly KO them with its 100% accurate STAB Blizzard.</p>

<p>Confuse Ray and Thunder Wave can be used over Protect on this set since they makes the opponent's attack fail 50% or 25% of the time respectively. However, Protect not only allows Froslass to scout the opponent's moves, but it also allows Froslass to force the opponent to take an extra round of hail damage. Additionally, Protect is very useful when against a Choiced Pokemon since you eliminate prediction.</p>

<p>This set obviously relies on Snover for permanent hail. Froslass also complements Snover with its immunity to Fighting-type attacks. If a Fighting-type Pokemon switches into Snover's Leech Seed, Snover can simply switch to Froslass. This allows Froslass to stall the opponent with Leech Seed by using a combination of Protect and Substitute.</p>

<p>This Froslass has trouble with bulky Pokemon who resist Blizzard, especially Pokemon who can set up due to this set lacking Taunt. Substitute Feraligatr in particular has an easy time setting up on Froslass because it can Substitute as Froslass does and Dragon Dance so that it outspeeds Froslass, and it will eventually be able to OHKO Froslass, provided it doesn't get horribly unlucky. This means using a Pokemon such as Venusaur to deal with Feraligatr is a good idea.</p>

<p>Froslass also benefits from Pokemon who lure out other Pokemon who let it set up. Torterra and Venusaur are great at luring Ice- and Bug-type attacks, which Froslass resists and can set up a Substitute against. Froslass also benefits from Rapid Spin support since it is weak to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good teammate for Froslass because it can not only Rapid Spin, but it also resists Rock-type attacks aimed at Froslass.</p>


[Team Options]

<p>No non-lead Froslass set functions to its full potential without Rapid Spin support. Additionally, Stealth Rock support helps hit the Pokemon who are immune to Spikes, making sure your opponent is always punished for switching, unless they are using Clefable. Donphan is a great candidate for fulfilling these roles, since it has access to both Rapid Spin and Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes cause many Pokemon to be very difficult to handle, but there are a few in particular that are especially hard to face. Moltres is arguably the best Pokemon to use with Froslass, since there are less than three common Pokemon (Azumarill, Altaria, and Chansey) who can safely switch in and beat Moltres. Additionally, Swellow and Scyther work quite well with Spikes because of their strong U-turns and grounded counters. It should be noted that all of these Pokemon benefit from Rapid Spin support.</p>

<p>Defensively, Froslass generally has trouble with Fire-type Pokemon because they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO Froslass. Kabutops and Aggron also cause Froslass trouble since they resist Ice Beam and can OHKO with their STAB Rock-type attacks. This makes Blastoise a great teammate for Froslass, as it has high Defense and resists Fire-type attacks. Milotic and Azumarill also work well in this regard. Hitmontop is a great teammate for Froslass since it can not only reliably use Rapid Spin against common Ghost-types, but it can also easily switch into Rock-type attacks.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Froslass can be an effective sweeper because of its unique STABs, great movepool, and 350 Speed. With Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt, and Trick, Froslass can deal some major damage to the opposing team, especially since it won't be expected. A Life Orb could be used as well, but with Hidden Power Fire on the last slot instead of Trick. However, Froslass simply does not do enough damage to 1-2HKO most Pokemon because of its mediocre Special Attack stat.</p>


[Counters]

<p>Fire-types such as Arcanine and Houndoom cause major trouble for Froslass, since it cannot do much to hurt them while they easily KO it in return. Rock-types that aren't weak to Ice Beam, such as Kabutops and Aggron, easily beat Froslass as well. Cloyster is also a very solid Froslass counter, since it can use Rock Blast to KO Froslass and then Rapid Spin the Spikes away. Pokemon with powerful Pursuits are also quite good against Froslass since it is fairly frail and can't do much to most Dark-type Pokemon anyway. Spiritomb, Houndoom, and Drapion come to mind as good Pursuit users since they don't take much damage from Ice Beam.</p>

<p>In the lead position, Ambipom with Taunt is a good way to stop all Froslass from setting up, even though it won't 2HKO some Froslass with Pursuit. Moltres and Spiritomb also work since they OHKO Froslass, limiting the Focus Sash lead to one layer of early-game Spikes.</p>
 

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On the Bulky set you have the EVs listed as 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 Spe, it should be 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe, probably just a typo but nobody has mentioned it so, yeah. Good job Heysup.
 

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Posting to remind Heysup to bring this in line with the new Conciseness guidelines.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=105&a=114

EDIT: posting this for posterity, heysup feel free to use it if you want

Bulky Froslass Main Paragraph (from IRC)
<p>Bulky Froslass may seem odd at first given Froslass' poor defensive stats. However, Bulky Froslass can easily defeat most common Rapid Spinners, as well as allowing it to survive longer in order to set up more Spikes or come in later to block Rapid Spin.</p>

<p>Spikes is obvious on a set like this. Ice Beam functions as Froslass' STAB of choice, as it is capable of hitting Donphan, a top UU Rapid Spinner, for super effective damage. Taunt can be used to prevent opponents from setting up on the offensively weak Froslass, and also serves the purpose of blocking Hitmontop's Foresight. This means that Hitmontop cannot abuse Foresight to hit Froslass with Rapid Spin or Close Combat. Trick, on the other hand, takes advantage of the defensive nature of many Rapid Spinners, crippling them with a Choice Scarf. Pain Split keeps Froslass healthy, and allows it to weaken many common Rapid Spinners, most of which do not carry recovery moves other than Rest.</p>
 
Thanks for helping my suckiness sds.

Also I added Eo's comments in as well as fixing the EVs for the bulky set (that's embarrassing..)
 

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<p>The choice between Shadow Ball and Ice Beam is a tough one, but Ice Beam is recommended because otherwise Froslass cannot OHKO Donphan. Shadow Ball's purpose is to take out opposing Froslass while also hitting Pokemon like Alakazam super effectively. If you have another Ghost-type, Shadow Ball is a good choice. Otherwise, Ice Beam is the preferred option.</p>
You should probably say why Shadow Ball is reasonable with another Ghost-type (I'm assuming it's because that OHKOing Donphan is of lesser importance). I was originally confused and thought why not Ice Beam when you already have a teammate with STAB Shadow Ball.


<p>The choice between Trick and Taunt is definitely a tough one as they are both quite effective at doing different things. Trick is recommended if you are leading with Froslass so that you can set up an almost guaranteed layer of Spikes on many of Froslass's usual counters. However, Taunt is much more effective outside of the lead position because it stops all Pokemon from setting up, while Trick only stops one. Both moves also differ when it comes to disabling Hitmontop, the most common Rapid Spinner. Trick allows you to cripple Hitmontop permanently instead of being forced to predict each switch, but Taunt is more reliable since you cannot always Trick Hitmontop the Choice Scarf.</p>
You should mention why you use Choice Scarf in place of Choice Specs, for example (and also as one of the benefits of using Trick over Taunt), so that you outspeed certain leads like Ambipom and Suicide Lead Froslass.
 

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really small thing but was told to post it here anyway

set order should really be decided by popularity/effectiveness which means that suicide should go first.

like i said just a small thing
 

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I'm gonna have to agree with Jabba here.

Consider that the metagame is EXTREMELY HEAVILY oriented toward Stall due to Cresselia's presence, and the bulky set is really about as "anti-metagame" as it gets: it takes advantage of setting up on offensively weak teams and crippling them with Spikes. Once Cresselia gets banned (which I'm pretty sure nobody disagrees with), Bulkylass will lose a lot of its usefulness.

Also, since Bulkylass is a variant of the Suicide Lead, it should probably come second anyway.
 
Well I would definitely disagree in this particular metagame, but it is also definitely a reasonable prediction that the suicide set will be more effective in the coming metagames possibly without Cresselia and with the Rock Blast glitch being fixed. So yea I agree with SDS.

Changing the order.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Froslass is one of the most unique and effective Pokemon in UU. Froslass's primary role is to quickly and easily set up Spikes, which it does quite well thanks to its base 110 Speed. Additionally, its Ghost-typing ensures that no entry hazards will be spun away while it is setting them up.</p>

<p>Froslass also has access to Taunt and Destiny Bond, which both work exceptionally well with its high Speed. Taunt allows Froslass to shut down other Pokemon while also forcing them to attack and likely be KOed by Destiny Bond. With a bulky EV spread, Froslass also can use Pain Split to make itself a functioning Rapid Spin blocker.</p>

[SET]
name: Suicide Lead
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Destiny Bond
move 4: Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Focus Sash
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set abuses Froslass's access to a quick Destiny Bond after it lays its Spikes. With 350 Speed, not many Pokemon will be outpacing Froslass. [to me this sentence seems redundant but its your call really]The strategy is quite simple: use Spikes until Froslass is low on HP and then Destiny Bond for the potential kill, making the score even but with Spikes on the opponent's side of the field. Taunt prevents opponents from doing any setting up of their own. Additionally, if your opponent has an attack that doesn't damage Froslass, you can use Taunt to force it to attack or switch out. If you predict correctly, you will either take out their lead or set up another layer of Spikes.</p>

<p>Maximum Special Attack is recommended with this set because Froslass is holding a Focus Sash, making defenses not worth investing in. It also gives Froslass the ability to OHKO Donphan. Maximum Speed gives Froslass the ability to outpace Pokemon like Scyther and Mismagius. This means Froslass can hit them with a quick Taunt and Destiny Bond before they get a chance to set up and become threats to your team.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The choice between Shadow Ball and Ice Beam is a tough one, but Ice Beam is recommended because otherwise Froslass cannot OHKO Donphan. Shadow Ball's purpose is to take out opposing Froslass while also hitting Pokemon like Alakazam super effectively. If you have another Ghost-type, Shadow Ball is a good choice. Otherwise, Ice Beam is the preferred option.</p>

<p>This set has trouble with very specific leads. Ambipom is definitely going to be difficult to take down because it is faster than Froslass and it learns Pursuit [I haven't played UU in a while but do Ambipom leads usually carry Pursuit?]. Froslass's best bet is to set up a layer of Spikes and then faint. Spiritomb also poses a problem with the dual threat of Pursuit and Shadow Sneak. This means you will likely need some hard hitters or another Ghost-type to block Rapid Spin so that your layers of Spikes remain on the field. Pokemon like Moltres and Magmortar prevent the use of Rapid Spin by at the very least 2HKOing every Rapid Spinner. Mismagius and Rotom can block Rapid Spin while also taking advantage of Spikes.</p>

[SET]
name: Bulky
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt / Trick
move 3: Pain Split
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Leftovers / Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Bulky Froslass may seem odd at first given Froslass' poor defensive stats. However, Bulky Froslass can easily defeat most common Rapid Spinners, as well being able to to survive longer in order to set up more Spikes or switch in later to block Rapid Spin.</p>

<p>Spikes is obvious on a set like this. Ice Beam functions as Froslass's STAB move of choice, as it is capable of hitting Donphan (a top UU Rapid Spinner) for super effective damage. Taunt can be used to prevent opponents from setting up on the offensively weak Froslass. Trick, on the other hand, takes advantage of the defensive nature of many Rapid Spinners, crippling them with a Choice Scarf. Pain Split keeps Froslass healthy, and allows it to weaken many common Rapid Spinners, most of which do not carry recovery moves other than Rest.</p>

<p>The EVs of this set are specifically made to survive two Pursuits from Ambipom and four Pursuits from Spiritomb (without a Choice Band). The HP EVs are lowered and added into Defense to ensure that Froslass takes minimal damage from Stealth Rock. 32 Speed EVs with a Timid nature allow Froslass to outpace neutral natured base 95s such as Leafeon and Drapion.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>One of this set's most important qualities is that it can beat many common Rapid Spinners. Hitmontop is easily prevented from using Foresight and Rapid Spin with Taunt or Trick. Donphan is beaten as long as Froslass is moderately healthy, since it can switch into almost any attack from Donphan and survive. After surviving, Froslass can use Pain Split and Ice Beam to put Donphan out of business. Blastoise will actually beat Froslass eventually, but Froslass can set up on Blastoise and switch out. If Froslass absolutely cannot switch out without putting another teammate at risk, Pain Split will put Blastoise well under 50%, giving one of Froslass's teammates the task of simply forcing it out or KOing it.</p>

<p>The choice between Trick and Taunt is definitely a tough one as they are both quite effective at doing different things. Trick is recommended if you are leading with Froslass so that you can set up an almost guaranteed layer of Spikes on many of Froslass's usual counters. However, Taunt is much more effective outside of the lead position because it stops all Pokemon from setting up, while Trick only stops one. Both moves also differ when it comes to disabling Hitmontop, the most common Rapid Spinner. Trick allows Froslass to cripple Hitmontop permanently instead of being forced to predict each switch, but Taunt is more reliable since she cannot always Trick Hitmontop the Choice Scarf.</p>

<p>Froslass's Spikes allow other Pokemon to sweep much more effectively. Moltres and Swellow in particular benefit from Spikes, which drastically reduce the amount of Pokemon that can switch in and survive their assaults. Additionally, Spikes really complement a Pokemon with Roar or Whirlwind on a more defensive team. Steelix is a good candidate for a Roar user since it resists Rock-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks. Arcanine is also an option since it has an easy time switching into Fire-type attacks.</p>

<p>Froslass has trouble with strong Fire-type attackers such as Arcanine, Houndoom, and Blaziken, since they can easily switch into any of Froslass's attacks. This makes Water-types such as Milotic and Azumarill excellent teammates for Froslass. Pursuit users also cause trouble for Froslass, so using Dugtrio to remove Drapion, Absol, and Houndoom before Froslass enters is a good idea.</p>

name: Hail Spiker
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Thunder Wave / Confuse Ray
move 3: Spikes
move 4: Blizzard
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set aims to abuse Froslass's Snow Cloak ability which allows it to evade attacks 20% of the time while hail is active. With Substitute and Leftovers, Froslass has an easy time "forcing" the opponent to miss, thus getting a free turn to set up Spikes. With a bulky EV spread Froslass will even be able to take a couple of hits while setting up Spikes. Protect is used for scouting choiced attackers and abusing Leftovers recovery and hail damage. Thunder Wave and Confuse Ray also help Froslass get additional turns of Leftovers recovery, and they can also give Froslass a chance to set up a Substitute on the extra turn. Blizzard is useful for checking Pokemon such as Rhyperior and Torterra, while also giving Froslass a strong attack to use when behind a Substitute with all three layers of Spikes already down. It also prevents Froslass from being Taunt bait.</p>

<p>A bulky EV spread is used with this set so that it doesn't rely purely on the opponent missing to set up Spikes. It also allows Froslass to benefit more from Leftovers and Protect.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Confuse Ray and Thunder Wave can be used over Protect on this set since they make the opponent's attack fail 50% or 25% of the time respectively. However, Protect not only allows Froslass to scout the opponent's moves, but it also allows Froslass to force the opponent to take an extra round of hail damage. Additionally, Protect is very useful when against a Choiced Pokemon since you eliminate prediction.</p>

<p>This set obviously relies on Snover for setting up permanent hail. Froslass also complements Snover with its immunity to Fighting-type attacks. If a Fighting-type Pokemon switches into Snover's Leech Seed, Snover can simply switch to Froslass. This allows Froslass to stall the opponent with Leech Seed by using a combination of Protect and Substitute.</p>

<p>This Froslass has trouble with bulky Pokemon who resist Blizzard, especially Pokemon who can set up due to this set lacking Taunt. Substitute Feraligatr in particular has an easy time setting up on Froslass because it can use Substitute as Froslass does and Dragon Dance so that it outspeeds Froslass, and it will eventually be able to OHKO Froslass, provided it doesn't get horribly unlucky. This means using a Pokemon such as Venusaur to deal with Feraligatr is a good idea.</p>

<p>Froslass also benefits from Pokemon who lure out other Pokemon who allow it to set up. Torterra and Venusaur are great at luring Ice- and Bug-type attacks which Froslass resists and can set up a Substitute against. Froslass also benefits from Rapid Spin support since it is weak to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good teammate for Froslass because it can not only use Rapid Spin, but it also resists Rock-type attacks aimed at Froslass.</p>

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Good stuff Heysup. Something that you may want to keep in mind is that Froslass are always female, so all of the "it"s in the analysis need to be changed to "her"s. May edit the team options etc. later, good job ;)
 
Thanks Snorlaxe. I kept some of the things you suggested be removed, but that was only once or twice I think.

Also, yes, Ambipom leads run Pursuit.
 

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