[Gen 5] OU Team Thread - "Corazon Classic"

AZCorazon

May have the perfect line-up now thanks to the help from the Smogon community. I really appreciate everyone's feedback that had to do with improving my team :)
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Corazon Classic (0 Wins/0 Losses)



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Ferrothorn (PeanutButter) @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barb
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpDef
Nature: Relaxed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
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Simple, standard set here for the Ferrothorn lead. Set-up some entry hazards with spikes and stealth rock. Gyro ball for damage due to ridiculously low speed, and Power Whip for more coverage... as with these 2 moves I am able to hit almost anything for at LEAST neutral damage. Leftovers allow for more set-up hazards to occur.

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Jellicent (Jelly) @ Leftovers
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe
Nature: Bold
- Scald
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
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My spin-blocker to protect the entry hazards, and a bit of a bothersome wall to boot! Will-O-Wisp, taunt and recover lead to him lasting quite awhile, while he makes sure the opponent is locked down. Scald is a reliable STAB for great damage on Pokemon that are common such as Blaziken, Chandelure, Infernape, Heatran, etc. Leftovers give even more longevity with constant recovery.

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Latios (Blur) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- HP Fire
- Psycho Shock
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Universal coverage, speed and bulked up strength make him a viable and dangerous sweeper. Choice Scar for dominating speed. Draco and Psycho for STAB to shut-down the opponent. Surf for coverage and terror. HP Fire for ferrothron, scizor, and others.

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Gliscor (Baby Glis) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 Spe
Nature: Impish
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Taunt
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Able to stop common threats such as Excadrill. Great stall-breaker thanks to Taunt. Shutsout Skaramory and Ferrothorns with Taunt as well, which is a plus. Swords dance to bulk up for a sweep. Poison heal and toxic orb for health regeneration.

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Heatran (Pyron) @ Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power (Ice)
- Flame Charge
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Great counter and check to nearly any thread, including Excadrill with balloon. Fire blast over flamethrower for power, rather than accuracy with my fire STAB. Earth power for other Heatran mostly. HP Ice for Garchomp, Gliscor and Landorous as some examples. Flame charge for speed boost with some damage on the side. This set is for an all out attack force that shouldn't be taken lightly!

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Scizor (Corazon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- U-Turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
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Finally found my magic 6th slot with some help from czechm8! Provides a reliable counter to my weaknesses to starmie, gengar, etc. U-turn allows me to hit hard and protect myself with a switch. Bullet punch can take care of a multitude of other threats to my teammates. Superpower for heatran and ferrothorn primarily. Pursuit to take down psychics and ghosts, namely Gengar, that can tear a hole into my team. 248 HP to maximize switch-in efficiency if stealth rock is out. Max attack + adamant = SWEEP. Enough said here.
 
Both of your teams are weak to LO starmie with BoltBeamPump after nattorei is gone, i would try to counter that somehow.

2nd team might struggle with swampert who can take on lot of your pokes with EQ/Ice beam

1st team has 3 water pokes, try to balance the types some more

Hope that helped some :)
 
I found that out last night about the starmie. I think I need to drop the Gorebyss as well. 3 Waters, I discovered, is overkill and leads to a heavy weakness. The unnamed team is the only one I'm going to focus on now until it is perfect. Do you have an idea for a replacement for Gorebyss on the "Unnamed Team", now called "Corazon Classic"?
 
I know they are. I don't understand the comment lol. I have poison heal gliscor, and I'm breeding the DW Magikarps until I get good IVs. Not too sure what your point was.
 
Okay, my understanding was that you lable it DW if it utilized any pokemon with DW abilities, sorry that I could get confused in something that makes perfect sense? And I had no attitude.
 
It seems like your team could have some problems with gengar as focus blast would take out ferrothorn and heatran, while gliscor, and jellicent would definitely not enjoy stab shadow balls. The problem would only get worse I'd said gengar had hp Ice or thunderbolt as gliscor or gyrados wouldn't stand a chance. To replace gorebyss I would suggest scizor either choice band or specially bulky SD version. As the bullet punch would allow it to dispatch gengar and a few other versatile fast threats (I.e. Azelf, lat@s, and a well timed U-turn/bug bite would ko potentially dangerous LO starmie and do heavy damage to reuniclus). With superpower/brick break to take out excadrill before they boost up. So basically Scizor seems like a good replacement for gorebyss since heatran, jellicent and gyrados help mitigate the 2 4x fire weaknesses. Scizor can also take ghost/dark attacks aimed at jellicent.
(Btw your gliscor is awesome I got to try it for the first time today :D )
 
I'm glad that you enjoyed my Glis :) I desperately want to get a hold of a shiny one though...it's my fav shiny :) That actually seems like the perfect fit. Thank you for the tips and suggestion. I will replace Gorbeyss with CB Scizor and if that doesn't work, I'll try the bulky set.
 
Threats
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    Life Orb Latios
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    Calm Mind Virizion
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    Nasty Plot Thundurus
Hello AZCorazon, this seems like a well built team without too many gapping weaknesses outside of the ones listed. Firstly, you might find Life Orb Latios to be problematic for your team as it can switch in into resisted hits by the likes of Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Heatran and Scizor (Pursuit, Superpower namely) and begin to launch powerful attacks like Draco Meteor, HP Fire and Surf which can at the very least, 2HKO your entire team. Virizion can do the same thing switching on the resisted attacks from the same 'mons and set-up a Calm Mind to rip through your team with ease. Thundurus doesn't get as many opportunities outside of Ferrothorn and Scizor's Superpower, but with a Nasty Plot under its belt, it too can cause some serious issues for your team. The main issue you have with these three is that you're unable to outspeed them and KO them due to your relatively slow paced team. RP Landorus is also slightly problematic, though it doesn't get many opportunities to set-up, but when you see it on Team Preview, try to preserve Heatran's Balloon and try to keep Jellicent around a 100% so the former can stand a chance with HP Ice, while the latter can take a hit and KO with Scald.

Solutions:

  • Choice Scarf Latios over Gyarados
Without changing your team around too much, I think you could try a Choice Scarf Latios over Gyarados. Gyarados IMO is the weakest link since most of the time you will find Gyarados going down pretty fast since weakness to Stealth Rock + LO damage and Sandstorm damage if you fight a sand team will bring down Gyarados alone without it even taking a hit. No Rapid Spin on the team doesn't mitigate the issue either. Basically, you won't lose much by replacing Gyarados. Scarf Latios on the other hand brings you a revenge killer against Life Orb Latios, Calm Mind Virizion, and Nasty Plot Thundurus. LO Latios and NP Thunderus are OHKOed by Draco Meteor, while the latter goes down to Physical Psycho Shock or is crippled with Trick. Latios also brings some much needed speed to your relatively slow team and is able to outspeed things like SD Landorus and deal a KO with Surf. Outside of acting as a revenge killer, you will find it pairs well with Gliscor due to its inability to break through defensively oriented teams, and is also able to incapacitate Physically bulky opponents with a powerful Draco Meteor or cripple with Trick allowing Gliscor to have a field day with them.

Movesets:

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Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Trick / Psycho Shock
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So to summarize:
  • Choice Scarf Latios > Gyarados

GL
 
That all seems fairly logical to me. I will replace the gyarados with a CS Latios. Thank you for the assistance. Gyarados is actually having issues staying alive I have notice in my few short playtests. This should definitely add some speed to my team, without a doubt.
 
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