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Genesect [QC: 1/3]
- Thread starter MCBarrett
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On physically-based Scarf, I seriously think Explosion needs to be by itself. It's one of the main selling points of the set for me, just allowing you to throw something off the face of the planet while giving you a free switch for anything. It's so excellent when you need that KO and U-turn or Ice Beam just won't do. Flamethrower IMO isn't supremely important; I'd relegate it to set details because Ice Beam is just that much better. But, Explosion, seriously. Otherwise just use the damn special set.
I'm thinking we could use this set with Shift Gear over RP for bluffing options, HP Ground mentioning, and lots of mixed options (eat magikarps Blissey!)
The main issue with using Shift Gear is that it's locked into being Hasty and shiny because of the event.
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It might be worth it in the special scarf section while discussing bug buzz vs. thunder bolt to remind players of the new mechanic that allows bug buzz to hit Pokemon behind subs. On a couple occasions this seems really useful such as picking off a weakens set up mon behind a sub.
I don't know how useful this comment really is as players reading the article may be assumed to know this already
It might be worth it in the special scarf section while discussing bug buzz vs. thunder bolt to remind players of the new mechanic that allows bug buzz to hit Pokemon behind subs. On a couple occasions this seems really useful such as picking off a weakens set up mon behind a sub.
I don't know how useful this comment really is as players reading the article may be assumed to know this already
Nah thats a valid point, I'll definitely add that :]
I'd like to bring up Jellicent to counter all (or most) Redesect. It resists all of its physical attacks in the sets, unless it has Shadow Claw or Zen Headbutt.
I've been mulling over Techno Blast a bit myself, and I honestly think it deserves an Other Options mention. Since Techno Blast is now stronger than even a Life Orb-boosted elemental beam, it actually has a bit of merit on a set bluffing a Choice item, although the Expert Belt is still probably more efficient overall for that sort of bluff set (mainly because the Drives change Genesect's sprite and can ruin the bluff). However, it does have an impressive bit of power to it, and having Douse Drive Techno Blast to hit Volcarona, Heatran, and Terrakion really hard can be nice from time to time.
Moving 4 EVs from Atk to SpA makes Genesect's offenses slightly more efficient when factoring in Download by decreasing its Downloaded-boosted Atk by 1 point and increasing its Download-boosted SpA by 2 points. To be specific, its +1 Atk stat goes from 508 to 507 while its +1 SpA stat goes from 415 to 417. That said, I honestly think that all sets with a +Spe nature and both physical and special moves should go with the 248/8 split for that same reason.
Moving 4 EVs from Atk to SpA makes Genesect's offenses slightly more efficient when factoring in Download by decreasing its Downloaded-boosted Atk by 1 point and increasing its Download-boosted SpA by 2 points. To be specific, its +1 Atk stat goes from 508 to 507 while its +1 SpA stat goes from 415 to 417. That said, I honestly think that all sets with a +Spe nature and both physical and special moves should go with the 248/8 split for that same reason.
Unfortunately, whenever Genesect uses a drive, the drive at the end of its cannon visually changes to reflect whatever type of drive is attached. Whenever you use a drive, you immediately telegraph to your opponent both that you're using Techno Blast and what type it is so any sort of use bluffing another item is ruined.
Wouldn't it be better to use HP Ground, which should do more with EB or LO despite the base power drop because its 4x super effective? +1 SpA almost always ensures a KO. I'm not sure using Techno Blast Douse would be worth it when HP Ground exists, unless Techno Blast Water can OHKO SpD Heatran without a +1 SpA boost, since HP Ground also scores this OHKO and can be bluffed easier, I don't feel it is that deserving of a mention.
Honestly I have used HP Ground Gene and it's great, but I haven't tested Douse Drive so perhaps I'm missing something...?
Honestly I have used HP Ground Gene and it's great, but I haven't tested Douse Drive so perhaps I'm missing something...?
If HP Ground isn't getting an item boost it does slightly more damage.
calc said:
HP Ground is definitely superior in every case, as not only does it do more damage, but you are not restricted to an otherwise useless item.
Would Techno Blast be worth using with Drizzle Politoed?
To add to this, Politoed's rain generally helps Genesect due to halving the damage it takes from fire attacks. Can also help getting Politoed in so it can set up the rain again, I suppose.
I would mention Assault Vest Goodra as a check. It can take a hit and OHKO with Flamethrower but it doesn't like taking very many +1 attack U-turns.
I just realized that Genesect also gets Thunder.
That's a pretty good reason not to list it as a check.
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I've used a physically based Scarf Genesect a lot more and honestly no longer believe it's worth the first slash. Here's how I'd do the set after some more significant testing:
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Iron Head
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Flamethrower
I got to the point where I realized not having Ice Beam + Flamethrower sucked. I was losing to stuff like Mega Lucario, Scizor, and Aegislash without Flamethrower, but I really missed the coverage on Landorus-T, Gliscor, and Noivern without Ice Beam. I would AC Explosion, tbh.
I've used a physically based Scarf Genesect a lot more and honestly no longer believe it's worth the first slash. Here's how I'd do the set after some more significant testing:
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Iron Head
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Flamethrower
I got to the point where I realized not having Ice Beam + Flamethrower sucked. I was losing to stuff like Mega Lucario, Scizor, and Aegislash without Flamethrower, but I really missed the coverage on Landorus-T, Gliscor, and Noivern without Ice Beam. I would AC Explosion, tbh.
We've talked on skype about all of the sets, and we've made some minor adjustments and added a few more checks. Looks great buddy :]
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