Ubers Genesect

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The set that this analysis will cover is locked into Shiny forme but who cares


[OVERVIEW]

* Genesect, like many Steel-types, struggles to justify its place on many teams due to an extreme level of competition it faces with better Steel-types. Its nearly unparalleled movepool and ability to run multiple offensive sets are not sufficient to make Genesect worth using due to its unreliability as a check to Xerneas and inconsistent damage output that is reliant on Download.
* Genesect requires its team to have extra security against Xerneas as well as other common threats like Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh that can pivot into Genesect. Burdening the team to deal with these threats further diminishes Genesect's viability as an offensive Pokemon and decreases the number of sets that Genesect can opt to use to benefit its teammates in return.
* As a pivot, Genesect can force switches quite well and thus function as an offensive pivot, but it lacks much damage output against defensive teams without a beneficial Download boost and a boosting item despite the multiple coverage moves it can run, while running dedicated sets that aim to wallbreak will make it helpless against offensive teams due to its middling Speed and bulk.
* Many Pokemon in Ubers can pose immediate danger to Genesect once it makes a single misprediction. All of these negatives combine to invalidate all of Genesect's sets other than Choice Band, which it can run in an attempt to improve its role as a pivot by strengthening U-turn to punish switches harder, justify Extreme Speed to maintain its usefulness against offensive teams, and OHKO Xerneas in a one-on-one situation after Stealth Rock damage without relying on Download.
* Even a pivoting set using Choice Band faces competition with other pivots like Mega Scizor and Magearna. Mega Scizor has a much better chance to take on Geomancy Xerneas and its access to recovery enables it to switch into support Arceus formes as well, while Magearna, though it may suffer from its inability to pivot against Ground-types, is one of the best checks to Xerneas and checks other dangerous Pokemon like Yveltal.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Iron Head
move 3: Extreme Speed
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Band
ability: Download
nature: Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

* U-turn allows Genesect to generate momentum and pivot out of unfavorable matchups against threats it draws in. With Choice Band and an Attack boost from Download, U-turn becomes powerful enough to OHKO offensive Primal Kyogre and deals a decent amount of damage even to some resisted foes.
* Iron Head threatens Fairy-types and can outright OHKO Choice Scarf Xerneas while having a good chance to remove Geomancy Xerneas after Stealth Rock damage.
* Extreme Speed gives Genesect valuable utility in revenge killing, and it does sufficient damage to pick off weakened, faster foes at reasonable health thanks to Choice Band and Download.
* While Explosion results in Genesect's removal, it can be used to take down a persistent switch-in and maintain momentum. Explosion is one of the few ways Genesect can take down Ho-Oh without relying on Stealth Rock and is strong enough to have a chance to OHKO Mild Primal Groudon after Stealth Rock damage and, with an Attack boost from Download, can even outright remove a defensive variant. Choice Band-boosted Explosion with the appropriate Download boost can also outright OHKO maximum HP support Arceus formes.

Set Details
========

* The given EV spread is optimal for Genesect's role, maximizing its damage output and Speed as a physical pivot holding a Choice Band.
* Genesect using Extreme Speed is only legal with a Hasty nature and Shiny forme. While this hinders Genesect's ability to check Extreme Killer Arceus, it makes Genesect faster than maximum Speed base 90 Pokemon and neutral-natured base 99 Speed Pokemon like Xerneas and Yveltal with maximum Speed investment.
* Download gives Genesect a boost in Attack or Special Attack depending on the foe's defensive stats when Genesect switches in.
* Choice Band gives Genesect a needed reinforcement in damage output, and it allows Genesect to do formidable damage when combined with Download.

Usage Tips
========

* Genesect struggles to switch into most offensive foes despite its good defensive typing. At best, it can pivot into attacks from Choice Scarf Xerneas lacking Hidden Power Fire and resisted Judgment from Arceus formes once or twice; however, even a small amount of prior damage will make it fall to +2 Moonblast from Geomancy Xerneas. This means Genesect has to choose between relying on almost always switching in unharmed to take on Xerneas lacking coverage to hit Steel-types or focus more on functioning as a pivot while getting slowly worn down.
* Though Genesect will mostly use U-turn to generate momentum and prevent many Pokemon it invites in from easily taking advantage of it, it will have to resort locking itself into different moves depending on the situation. Iron Head can be used to threaten Fairy-types and pressure slower teams, as it does decent damage with Choice Band and an Attack boost from Download. Weakened setup sweepers should be taken out with Extreme Speed, and it can also be used to score a possible KO on defensive Ho-Oh after Stealth Rock. If Genesect is in a horrendous matchup, has to lure and remove Ho-Oh or a support Arceus forme, or has to revenge kill slower, healthy foes, such as Swords Dance-boosted Primal Groudon and Extreme Killer Arceus, using Explosion will be a worthwhile decision, though it is possible that a Ghost- or Steel-type Pokemon may pivot into Genesect with an intent to take a weak hit from its other moves.
* Think twice before attempting to send Genesect in against offensive teams to revenge kill a foe with Extreme Speed. Though Extreme Speed may be powerful enough to take out frail sweepers, it may lack sufficient power to land a KO without Download boosting Genesect's Attack. Genesect locked into Extreme Speed is also very exploitable, as it invites threats like Necrozma-DM and Marshadow to take advantage of it, while bulkier setup sweepers like Primal Groudon and Zygarde can set up on it as well. Mega Gengar is another concerning foe when Genesect is about to lock itself into Extreme Speed, as Mega Gengar's Shadow Tag and immunity to Extreme Speed means Genesect will be hopelessly trapped.

Team Options
========

* A good number of Pokemon massively benefit from Genesect's ability to create ideal matchups. Primal Kyogre can gain an opportunity to safely switch in through Genesect's U-turn and threaten Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, or a physically defensive foe. Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Arceus-Ground can be pivoted into Steel-types switching into Genesect.
* Primal Groudon also provides Genesect's team with more security against Xerneas by being a reliable check, provides Stealth Rock support to keep Ho-Oh at bay, manages problematic Steel-types, and defeats physically defensive foes with Overheat or Swords Dance-boosted attacks without forcing Genesect to use Explosion to bypass them. In return, Genesect can switch into Toxic for Primal Groudon.
* Various support Arceus formes can justify running Stealth Rock to prevent Ho-Oh from liberally switching into Genesect, provide a good defensive presence to check dangerous foes in the event where Genesect locks itself into a poor move, and benefit from Genesect drawing in and removing Ho-Oh with Explosion if they can't pressure Ho-Oh carrying Defog. Should they be in a bad matchup against an opposing support Arceus forme, Genesect can switch into Toxic and threaten to 2HKO the foe using Iron Head with the appropriate Download boost or net a surprise KO with Explosion.
* Mega Salamence and defensive Zygarde check to Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh. Mega Salamence can benefit from the pressure that Genesect applies on Fairy-types and certain Steel-types, and defensive Zygarde can spread paralysis with Glare to make up for Genesect's average Speed.
* Defog users like Giratina-O and Ho-Oh can prevent Genesect from getting worn down by entry hazards and threaten certain Primal Groudon variants, and Genesect can create a favorable matchup for them to freely spread status or attack by pivoting into them with U-turn.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

* Genesect has an incredible movepool with coverage moves that it can theoretically use to improve its matchup against almost the entirety of the tier. However, any special coverage move will need a favorable boost from Download to be effective, and special variants of Genesect holding items like Choice Specs or a Z-Crystal are less effective as a pivot due to U-turn's significantly lower damage output, meaning it will mostly be forced to make a correct prediction unlike when it holds a Choice Band and can justify using U-turn more freely when predictions become difficult.
* Ice Beam can pressure Giratina-O and OHKO Zygarde and Mega Salamence, and Flamethrower or Blaze Kick can break through Steel-types more quickly. These moves, unfortunately, cannot be justified on the Choice Band set, as they often end up being additional dangerous moves to be locked into.
* A Choice Scarf set can make Genesect an effective revenge killer against offensive teams, but it is extremely reliant on Download to take down bulky foes and struggles to punish its checks due to its weak U-turn.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Ho-Oh**: Ho-Oh's heavy resistance to U-turn, resistance to Iron Head, Regenerator, and ability to OHKO Genesect with Sacred Fire make it an effective switch-in to Genesect that forces it to sacrifice itself with Explosion to KO Ho-Oh.

**Toxapex**: Toxapex is a good switch-in to Genesect for similar reasons as Ho-Oh, and it can punish Genesect with Rocky Helmet damage while also setting Toxic Spikes to cripple Genesect's team.

**Primal Groudon**: While it does not boast Ho-Oh's level of longevity and is also vulnerable to a well-timed Explosion from Genesect, Primal Groudon can easily switch into Genesect for similar reasons as Ho-Oh and set Stealth Rock, spread status, or throw a heavy blow at the switch-in.

**Steel-types**: All of Genesect's most common moves are resisted by Steel, giving it a hard time beating Steel-types on its own and forcing it to pivot into teammates that can beat them with U-turn. Specific Steel-types like Skarmory and Celesteela are more problematic due to their high physical bulk and access to recovery.

**Ghost-types**: Ghost-types resist U-turn, can exploit Genesect locked into Extreme Speed, and can even switch into Explosion, making Genesect's attempt to take down a foe with itself go to a complete waste. Prominent Ghost-types like Mega Gengar, Marshadow, and Giratina-O dislike being hit by Iron Head upon switching in, however.

**Faster Foes**: Genesect's rather poor bulk leaves it vulnerable to getting revenge killed by faster foes like Mega Gengar, offensive Arceus formes, and Choice Scarf users like Yveltal.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[DMDW, 434601]]
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I dropped the ball and forgot to add Toxapex in Checks and Counters. Probably next QC will tell me if it is in the right order
 

Cynara

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[OVERVIEW]

* Genesect is one of the many Steel-types that struggles to justify its place in many teams due to an extreme level of competition it faces with better Steel-types. Its nearly unparalleled movepool and ability to run multiple offensive sets are not sufficient to make Genesect a considerable Pokemon to employ due to its unreliability as a check to Xerneas and inconsistent damage output that is reliant on Download boost.
* Genesect will typically require its team to have extra security against Xerneas, as well as other common threats like Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh that can pivot into Genesect. Burdening the team to deal with these threats further diminishes Genesect's viability as an offensive Pokemon and it also narrows option of sets that Genesect can opt to use to benefit its teammates in return.
* Even as a blanket check to Xerneas, Genesect relies on taking no prior damage at all and Xerneas's lack of proper coverage move to reliably revenge kill, and even when these conditions are met, it will lack power to immediately shut down Xerneas if Download boost doesn't activate on its favor.
These 3 points tell me the same three things in different ways, axe two of them and reword one into something a bit more concise.

* Many Pokemon in Ubers can pose immediate danger once Genesect makes a single misprediction. All of these combine to invalidate most of Genesect's sets other than Choice Band, which it can run in an attempt to improve its role as a pivot by strengthening U-turn to punish switches harder, justify Extreme Speed to maintain usefulness against offensive teams, and OHKO Xerneas in one on one situation after Stealth Rock without relying on Download boost.
Why's the xerneas point relevant here...? it's overview.

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

* U-turn allows Genesect to pivot out of many unfavorable matchup it creates against threats it draws in, and it is mostly useful for pivoting. With Choice Band and Attack boost from Download, U-turn becomes powerful enough to OHKO offensive Primal Kyogre and sustain a decent amount of damage even against some resisted foes.
I don't think this is the main selling point of U-turn or its said in the wrong ways, U-turn is a something you use to grab momentum mostly, Pivoting out of unfavourable mus is the 3rd selling point Imo.

* The given EV spread is the optimal for Genesect's role, maximizing its damage output as a physical pivot holding Choice Band and enabling it to outspeed other base 90 Speed Pokemon.
* Genesect using Extreme Speed is only legal with Hasty nature and Shiny forme. While this hinders Genesect's ability to check Extreme Killer Arceus, it makes Genesect faster than maximum Speed base 90 Speed Pokemon and neutral-natured base 99 Speed Pokemon like Xerneas and Yveltal.
Again, two points to cover the same thing in different words.

Usage Tips

This section is fluffed with too many pointless filler.

U-turn to create momentum should be one of the main points of the usage tips cause thats what Genesect does best.

Furthermore:

* Nonetheless, Genesect can still be switched into predicted status moves like Toxic, Defog, and Recover against foes that cannot significantly threaten it. Switching in after a teammate has fallen to either revenge kill a foe is another possible way of bringing Genesect into the field without making it take major damage. When healthy, Genesect can also attempt to take on unboosted Ultra Necrozma and Extreme Killer Arceus.
* Against slower teams, Genesect can pivot into Toxic and threaten a good number of Pokemon that lack physical bulk and other foes that do not resist its attacks. Depending on how well Genesect can generate predictable move from an opponent, Genesect may prove to be useful enough to be left alive longer and deserve team support like entry hazard removal
both these bullets end up achieving telling me similar things, when they one point can be made more concise to get your points across more efficiently.

Team options:

Fine

OO:

Fine

C&C:

Good

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Overall I just feel this analysis falls into the trap of having a vast quantity of writing which is unnecessary and goes into the trap of repetition, when writing should be about the quality and saying a lot in a few words to make it appealing to the reader.

Please implement / rewrite the above.

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[OVERVIEW]

* Genesect is one of the many Steel-types that Genesect, like many Steel-types, struggles to justify its place in on many teams due to an extreme level of competition it faces with better Steel-types. Its nearly unparalleled movepool and ability to run multiple offensive sets are not sufficient to make Genesect a considerable Pokemon to employ worth using due to its unreliability as a check to Xerneas and inconsistent damage output that is reliant on Download boost. (changes mainly help with flow and making it a bit shorter)
* Genesect will typically require requires its team to have extra security against Xerneas,(RC) as well as other common threats like Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh that can pivot into Genesect. Burdening the team to deal with these threats further diminishes Genesect's viability as an offensive Pokemon and it also narrows option of decreases the number of sets that Genesect can opt to use to benefit its teammates in return.
* As a pivot, Genesect can force switches quite well and thus can function as an offensive pivot, but it lacks much damage output against defensive teams without a beneficial Download boost and a boosting item despite the multiple coverage moves it can run, while running dedicated sets that aim to wallbreak will make it helpless against offensive teams due to its middling Speed and bulk.
* Many Pokemon in Ubers can pose immediate danger once Genesect to Genesect once it makes a single misprediction. All of these negatives combine to invalidate most all of Genesect's sets other than Choice Band, which it can run in an attempt to improve its role as a pivot by strengthening U-turn to punish switches harder, justify Extreme Speed to maintain its usefulness against offensive teams, and OHKO Xerneas in one on one a one-on-one situation after Stealth Rock damage without relying on Download boost.
* Even a pivoting set using Choice Band faces competition with other pivots like Mega Scizor and Magearna;.(RSC, AP) Mega Scizor has a much better chance to take on Geomancy Xerneas and its access to recovery enables it to switch into support Arceus formes as well, while Magearna may suffer from its inability to pivot against Ground-types,(AC) but it is one of the strongest best checks to Xerneas and checks other dangerous Pokemon like Yveltal as well.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Iron Head
move 3: Extreme Speed
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Band
ability: Download
nature: Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

* U-turn allows Genesect to generate momentum or and pivot out of many unfavorable matchup it creates matchups against threats it draws in, and it is mostly useful for pivoting (this last bit seems unnecessary tbh. the entire sentence is focused around genesect pivoting anyway rather than anything else u-turn would o). With a Choice Band and an Attack boost from Download, U-turn becomes powerful enough to OHKO offensive Primal Kyogre and sustain deals a decent amount of damage even against to some resisted foes.
* Iron Head is Genesect's another STAB move that is used to threaten Fairy-types, threatening to threatens Fairy-types and can outright OHKO Choice Scarf Xerneas while having a good chance to remove Geomancy Xerneas after Stealth Rock damage.
* Extreme Speed gives Genesect a valuable utility in revenge killing, and it does sufficient damage to pick off weakened,(AC) faster foes at reasonable health with thanks to Choice Band and Download boost.
* While Explosion results in Genesect's removal, it can be used to take down a persistent switch-in and maintain momentum. Explosion is one of the few ways Genesect can take down Ho-Oh without relying on Stealth Rock on the field and is strong enough to have a chance to OHKO Mild Primal Groudon after Stealth Rock damage, and with Download boost, it and, with an Attack boost from Download, can even outright remove a defensive variant. Choice Band-boosted Explosion with an approriate the appropriate Download boost can also outright OHKO maximum HP support Arceus.

Set Details
========

* The given EV spread is the optimal for Genesect's role, maximizing its damage output and Speed as a physical pivot holding a Choice Band.
* Genesect using Extreme Speed is only legal with a Hasty nature and Shiny forme (is this bit about needing to be shiny really worth a set details mention?). While this hinders Genesect's ability to check Extreme Killer Arceus, it makes Genesect faster than maximum Speed base 90 Speed Pokemon and neutral-natured base 99 Speed Pokemon like Xerneas and Yveltal with maximum Speed investment.
* Download gives Genesect a boost in Attack or Special Attack depending on the foe's defensive stats when switching in Genesect switches in (this was kinda ambiguous as to who is switching in).
* Choice Band gives Genesect a needed reinforcement in damage output, and it allows Genesect to do a formidable damage when combined with Download boost.

Usage Tips
========

* Genesect struggles to switch into most offensive foes despite its good defensive typing. At best, it can pivot into attacks from Choice Scarf Xerneas lacking Hidden Power Fire and resisted Judgment from Arceus formes once or twice;(ASC) however, and even a small amount of prior damage will make it fall to +2 Moonblast from Geomancy Xerneas. This means Genesect has to choose between relying on almost always switching in unharmed to take on Xerneas lacking coverage to hit Steel-types or focus more on functioning as a pivot while getting slowly worn down.
* Nonetheless, Genesect can still be switched into predicted status moves like Toxic, Defog, and Recover against from foes that cannot significantly threaten it. Switching in after a teammate has fallen to either revenge kill a foe is another possible way of bringing Genesect into onto the field without making it take major damage. When healthy, Genesect can also attempt to take on unboosted Ultra Necrozma and Extreme Killer Arceus (I don't see why this is in this section tbh. this seems like a section addressing how to bring Genesect into battle; not a section on what it can take on. maybe you could mention that in the above bit where you address genesect remaining healthy to take on xern?).
* Though Genesect will mostly use U-turn to generate momentum and prevent many Pokemon it invites in from easily taking advantage of it, it will have to resort locking itself into different moves depending on the situation. Iron Head can be used to threaten Fairy-types and to pressure slower teams, as it does decent damage with Choice Band and if Download gave gives Genesect an Attack boost. Weakened setup sweepers should be taken out with Extreme Speed, and it can also be used to score a possible OHKO KO on defensive Ho-Oh after Stealth Rock. If Genesect is in a horrendous matchup, has to lure and remove Ho-Oh or a support Arceus forme, or has to revenge kill slower, healthy foes, such as Swords Dance-boosted Primal Groudon and Extreme Killer Arceus, using Explosion will be a worthwhile decision, though it is possible that a Ghost- or Steel-type Pokemon may pivot into Genesect with an intent to take a weak damage hit from its other moves.
* Think twice before attempting to send in Genesect in against offensive teams to revenge kill a foe with Extreme Speed. Though Extreme Speed may be powerful enough to take out frail sweepers, it may lack sufficient power to do land a KO without Download boosting Genesect's Attack. Genesect locked into Extreme Speed is also very exploitable, as it invites in threats like Necrozma-DM and Marshadow to take advantage of it, while bulkier setup sweepers like Primal Groudon and Zygarde can set up on it as well. Genesect locked into Extreme Speed in a wrong situation can potentially worsen the game when it switched in with an intent to prevent a sweeper from going overly rampant (this line seems kinda useless and repetitive if anything tbh. you already mention in the two previous thoughts that being locked into espeed gets you clapped by setup mons and then follow that up with another reason espeed can be as detrimental to you as it is beneficial). Mega Gengar is another concerning foe when Genesect is about to lock itself into Extreme Speed (might wanna clarify its because mega gengar can remove genesect thanks to stag, altho thats qc stuff so y'all can figure that out on your own).

Team Options
========

* A good number of Pokemon can massively benefit from Genesect's ability to create ideal matchups. Primal Kyogre can gain an opportunity to safely switch in through Genesect's U-turn and threaten Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, or a physically defensive foe. Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Arceus-Ground can be pivoted into ideal Steel-types switching into Genesect that they can prey on.
* Primal Groudon also provides Genesect's team with more security against Xerneas by being a reliable check, provides Stealth Rock support to keep Ho-Oh at bay, destroy manages problematic Steel-types, and defeat defeats physically defensive foes with Overheat or Swords Dance-boosted attacks without eventually forcing Genesect to use Explosion to bypass them. In return, Genesect can switch into Toxic for Primal Groudon.
* Various support Arceus formes can justify running Stealth Rock to prevent Ho-Oh from liberally switching into Genesect, provide a good defensive presence to check dangerous foes in an the event where Genesect locks itself into a wrong poor move, and benefit from Genesect drawing in and removing Ho-Oh with Explosion when if they can't pressure Ho-Oh carrying Defog. Should they be in an inferior a bad (flow) matchup against an opposing support Arceus forme, Genesect can switch into Toxic,(RC) and threaten to 2HKO them the foe using Iron Head with the appropriate Download boost, and also or net a surprise KO with Explosion.
* Mega Salamence and defensive Zygarde are checks to Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh. Mega Salamence can benefit from the pressure that Genesect applies on Fairy-types and certain Steel-types, and defensive Zygarde can spread paralysis with Glare to give Genesect more room to breathe make up for Genesect's average Speed (clarity change).
* Defog users like Giratina-O and Ho-Oh prevent can prevent Genesect from getting worn down by entry hazards and threaten certain Primal Groudon variants, and Genesect can create a favorable matchup for them to freely spread status or make a safe attack by pivoting into them with U-turn.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

* Genesect has an incredible movepool, having with coverage moves that it can use to theoretically counteract theoretically use to improve its matchup against almost the entirety of the tier. However, any special coverage move will need a favorable boost from Download to be effective,(AC) and special variants of Genesect holding items like Choice Specs or a Z-Crystal are less efficient effective as a pivot due to U-turn's significantly less lower damage output, meaning it will mostly be forced to make a correct prediction unlike when it holds a Choice Band and can justify using U-turn more freely when predictions become difficult.
* Ice Beam can pressure Giratina-O and OHKO Zygarde and Mega Salamence, and Flamethrower or Blaze Kick can break through Steel-types more quickly. These moves, unfortunately, cannot be justified in on the Choice Band set, as they often end up being additional dangerous moves to be locked into.
* A Choice Scarf set can make Genesect an effective revenge killer against offensive teams, but it is extremely reliant on Download to take down bulky foes and struggles to punish its checks other than hitting them with a weaker U-turn on the switch due to its weak U-turn.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Ho-Oh**: Ho-Oh's heavy resistance to U-turn, resistance to Iron Head, Regenerator, and an ability to OHKO Genesect with Sacred Fire make it an effective switch-in to Genesect that forces Genesect it to sacrifice itself with Explosion to be taken out KO Ho-Oh (I assume this is what you meant).

**Toxapex**: Toxapex is a good switch-in to Genesect for similar reason reasons as Ho-Oh, and it can punish Genesect with Rocky Helmet damage while also setting Toxic Spikes to cripple Genesect's team or by setting Toxic Spikes on it.

**Primal Groudon**: While it does not boast Ho-Oh's level of longevity and is also vulnerable to a well-timed Explosion from Genesect, Primal Groudon can easily switch into Genesect for similar reasons as Ho-Oh and set Stealth Rock, spread status, or throw a heavy blow at the switch-in.

**Steel-types**: Steel-types' resistance to every move that Genesect carries means Genesect has no way to break them on its own, though they are easily punished by Genesect's common teammates that are brought in after U-turn. All of Genesect's most common moves are resisted by Steel, giving it a hard time beating Steel-types on its own and forcing it to pivoting into teammates that can with U-turn. Common Steel-types like Necrozma-DM and Magearna take neutral damage from U-turn and Iron Head respectively and thus they risk taking a heavy damage if switched into a wrong move. Less common Steel-types like Skarmory and Celesteela are more problematic due to their high physical bulk and access to recovery. (this section feels a bit weird. you say that genesect struggles with steel-types because steel resists the type of genesect's most common moves, yet the important steel-types you have listed take neutral from one or the other of genesect's stab attacks, which leads me to believe they arent as difficult to deal with (specifically magearna since cb iron head hurts like a mother fucker lol). I feel this section needs some readdressing or rewording. I still adjusted the first sentence to better reflect this section's main idea though)

**Ghost-types**: Ghost-types resist U-turn, can exploit Genesect locked into Extreme Speed, and can even switch into Explosion, making Genesect's attempt to take down a foe with itself go to a complete waste. Prominent Ghost-types like Mega Gengar, Marshadow, and Giratina-O dislike being hit by Iron Head on switch upon switching in, however.

**Faster Foes**: Genesect's rather poorer poor bulk leaves it vulnerable to getting revenge killed by faster foes like Mega Gengar, offensive Arceus formes, and Choice Scarf users like Yveltal.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[DMDW, 434601]]
- Quality checked by: [[Nayrz, 212134], [Cynara, 224455], [Serial EKiller, 426631]]
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Rabia is an official GPer now, so he can stamp his amchecks. He gave me the go for that, so implement the above for 1/2, then I can check this for 2/2
I normally try to implement any AM GP checks and for some reason I forgot to do so for this one... well I implemented Rabia's work so this is ready for you now.
 
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[OVERVIEW]

* Genesect, like many Steel-types, struggles to justify its place on many teams due to an extreme level of competition it faces with better Steel-types. Its nearly unparalleled movepool and ability to run multiple offensive sets are not sufficient to make Genesect worth using due to its unreliability as a check to Xerneas and inconsistent damage output that is reliant on Download.
* Genesect requires its team to have extra security against Xerneas as well as other common threats like Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh that can pivot into Genesect. Burdening the team to deal with these threats further diminishes Genesect's viability as an offensive Pokemon and decreases the number of sets that Genesect can opt to use to benefit its teammates in return.
* As a pivot, Genesect can force switches quite well and thus can function as an offensive pivot, but it lacks much damage output against defensive teams without a beneficial Download boost and a boosting item despite the multiple coverage moves it can run, while running dedicated sets that aim to wallbreak will make it helpless against offensive teams due to its middling Speed and bulk.
* Many Pokemon in Ubers can pose immediate danger to Genesect once it makes a single misprediction. All of these negatives combine to invalidate all of Genesect's sets other than Choice Band, which it can run in an attempt to improve its role as a pivot by strengthening U-turn to punish switches harder, justify Extreme Speed to maintain its usefulness against offensive teams, and OHKO Xerneas in a one-on-one situation after Stealth Rock damage without relying on Download (remove space).
* Even a pivoting set using Choice Band faces competition with other pivots like Mega Scizor and Magearna. Mega Scizor has a much better chance to take on Geomancy Xerneas and its access to recovery enables it to switch into support Arceus formes as well, while Magearna,(AC) though it may suffer from its inability to pivot against Ground-types, but it is one of the best checks to Xerneas and checks other dangerous Pokemon like Yveltal.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Iron Head
move 3: Extreme Speed
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Band
ability: Download
nature: Hasty
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

* U-turn allows Genesect to generate momentum and pivot out of unfavorable matchups against threats it draws in. With a Choice Band and an Attack boost from Download, U-turn becomes powerful enough to OHKO offensive Primal Kyogre and deals a decent amount of damage even to some resisted foes.
* Iron Head threatens Fairy-types and can outright OHKO Choice Scarf Xerneas while having a good chance to remove Geomancy Xerneas after Stealth Rock damage.
* Extreme Speed gives Genesect valuable utility in revenge killing, and it does sufficient damage to pick off weakened, faster foes at reasonable health thanks to Choice Band and Download.
* While Explosion results in Genesect's removal, it can be used to take down a persistent switch-in and maintain momentum. Explosion is one of the few ways Genesect can take down Ho-Oh without relying on Stealth Rock and is strong enough to have a chance to OHKO Mild Primal Groudon after Stealth Rock damage and, with an Attack boost from Download, can even outright remove a defensive variant. Choice Band-boosted Explosion with the appropriate Download boost can also outright OHKO maximum HP support Arceus formes.

Set Details
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* The given EV spread is optimal for Genesect's role, maximizing its damage output and Speed as a physical pivot holding a Choice Band.
* Genesect using Extreme Speed is only legal with a Hasty nature and Shiny forme. While this hinders Genesect's ability to check Extreme Killer Arceus, it makes Genesect faster than maximum Speed base 90 Pokemon and neutral-natured base 99 Speed Pokemon like Xerneas and Yveltal with maximum Speed investment.
* Download gives Genesect a boost in Attack or Special Attack depending on the foe's defensive stats when Genesect switches in.
* Choice Band gives Genesect a needed reinforcement in damage output, and it allows Genesect to do formidable damage when combined with Download.

Usage Tips
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* Genesect struggles to switch into most offensive foes despite its good defensive typing. At best, it can pivot into attacks from Choice Scarf Xerneas lacking Hidden Power Fire and resisted Judgment from Arceus formes once or twice; however, even a small amount of prior damage will make it fall to +2 Moonblast from Geomancy Xerneas. This means Genesect has to choose between relying on almost always switching in unharmed to take on Xerneas lacking coverage to hit Steel-types or focus more on functioning as a pivot while getting slowly worn down.
* Though Genesect will mostly use U-turn to generate momentum and prevent many Pokemon it invites in from easily taking advantage of it, it will have to resort locking itself into different moves depending on the situation. Iron Head can be used to threaten Fairy-types and to pressure slower teams, as it does decent damage with Choice Band and if Download gives Genesect an Attack boost from Download. Weakened setup sweepers should be taken out with Extreme Speed, and it can also be used to score a possible KO on defensive Ho-Oh after Stealth Rock. If Genesect is in a horrendous matchup, has to lure and remove Ho-Oh or a support Arceus forme, or has to revenge kill slower, healthy foes, such as Swords Dance-boosted Primal Groudon and Extreme Killer Arceus, using Explosion will be a worthwhile decision, though it is possible that a Ghost- or Steel-type Pokemon may pivot into Genesect with an intent to take a weak hit from its other moves.
* Think twice before attempting to send Genesect in against offensive teams to revenge kill a foe with Extreme Speed. Though Extreme Speed may be powerful enough to take out frail sweepers, it may lack sufficient power to land a KO without Download boosting Genesect's Attack. Genesect locked into Extreme Speed is also very exploitable, as it invites in threats like Necrozma-DM and Marshadow to take advantage of it, while bulkier setup sweepers like Primal Groudon and Zygarde can set up on it as well. Mega Gengar is another concerning foe when Genesect is about to lock itself into Extreme Speed, as Mega Gengar's Shadow Tag and immunity to Extreme Speed means Genesect will be hopelessly trapped.

Team Options
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* A good number of Pokemon massively benefit from Genesect's ability to create ideal matchups. Primal Kyogre can gain an opportunity to safely switch in through Genesect's U-turn and threaten Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, or a physically defensive foe. Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Arceus-Ground can be pivoted into Steel-types switching into Genesect.
* Primal Groudon also provides Genesect's team with more security against Xerneas by being a reliable check, provides Stealth Rock support to keep Ho-Oh at bay, manages problematic Steel-types, and defeats physically defensive foes with Overheat or Swords Dance-boosted attacks without forcing Genesect to use Explosion to bypass them. In return, Genesect can switch into Toxic for Primal Groudon.
* Various support Arceus formes can justify running Stealth Rock to prevent Ho-Oh from liberally switching into Genesect, provide a good defensive presence to check dangerous foes in the event where Genesect locks itself into a poor move, and benefit from Genesect drawing in and removing Ho-Oh with Explosion if they can't pressure Ho-Oh carrying Defog. Should they be in a bad matchup against an opposing support Arceus forme, Genesect can switch into Toxic and threaten to 2HKO the foe using Iron Head with the appropriate Download boost or net a surprise KO with Explosion.
* Mega Salamence and defensive Zygarde are checks to Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh. Mega Salamence can benefit from the pressure that Genesect applies on Fairy-types and certain Steel-types, and defensive Zygarde can spread paralysis with Glare to make up for Genesect's average Speed.
* Defog users like Giratina-O and Ho-Oh can prevent Genesect from getting worn down by entry hazards and threaten certain Primal Groudon variants, and Genesect can create a favorable matchup for them to freely spread status or attack by pivoting into them with U-turn.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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* Genesect has an incredible movepool with coverage moves that it can theoretically use to improve its matchup against almost the entirety of the tier. However, any special coverage move will need a favorable boost from Download to be effective, and special variants of Genesect holding items like Choice Specs or a Z-Crystal are less effective as a pivot due to U-turn's significantly lower damage output, meaning it will mostly be forced to make a correct prediction unlike when it holds a Choice Band and can justify using U-turn more freely when predictions become difficult.
* Ice Beam can pressure Giratina-O and OHKO Zygarde and Mega Salamence, and Flamethrower or Blaze Kick can break through Steel-types more quickly. These moves, unfortunately, cannot be justified on the Choice Band set, as they often end up being additional dangerous moves to be locked into.
* A Choice Scarf set can make Genesect an effective revenge killer against offensive teams, but it is extremely reliant on Download to take down bulky foes and struggles to punish its checks due to its weak U-turn.

Checks and Counters
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**Ho-Oh**: Ho-Oh's heavy resistance to U-turn, resistance to Iron Head, Regenerator, and ability to OHKO Genesect with Sacred Fire make it an effective switch-in to Genesect that forces it to sacrifice itself with Explosion to KO Ho-Oh.

**Toxapex**: Toxapex is a good switch-in to Genesect for similar reasons as Ho-Oh, and it can punish Genesect with Rocky Helmet damage while also setting Toxic Spikes to cripple Genesect's team.

**Primal Groudon**: While it does not boast Ho-Oh's level of longevity and is also vulnerable to a well-timed Explosion from Genesect, Primal Groudon can easily switch into Genesect for similar reasons as Ho-Oh and set Stealth Rock, spread status, or throw a heavy blow at the switch-in.

**Steel-types**: All of Genesect's most common moves are resisted by Steel, giving it a hard time beating Steel-types on its own and forcing it to pivoting pivot into teammates that can beat them with U-turn. Specific Steel-types like Skarmory and Celesteela are more problematic due to their high physical bulk and access to recovery.

**Ghost-types**: Ghost-types resist U-turn, can exploit Genesect locked into Extreme Speed, and can even switch into Explosion, making Genesect's attempt to take down a foe with itself go to a complete waste. Prominent Ghost-types like Mega Gengar, Marshadow, and Giratina-O dislike being hit by Iron Head upon switching in, however.

**Faster Foes**: Genesect's rather poor bulk leaves it vulnerable to getting revenge killed by faster foes like Mega Gengar, offensive Arceus formes, and Choice Scarf users like Yveltal.

[CREDITS]
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