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Gen 1 Gimmick Anti-Starmie Raticate Team (Sigil of Baphomet)

Giles Corey 92

Giles Corey 92

Context: This is my first original team and my level of understanding is low, I just thought this was a novel idea. I apologize if my explanations are insufficient.

https://pokepast.es/665a40149c7dfd33

Alakazam
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Reflect

Raticate
- Super Fang
- Body Slam
- Hyper Beam
- Blizzard

Chansey
Level: 93
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Soft-Boiled
- Ice Beam

Snorlax
- Body Slam
- Self-Destruct
- Amnesia
- Ice Beam

Exeggutor
- Sleep Powder
- Psychic
- Stun Spore
- Explosion

Tauros
- Body Slam
- Hyper Beam
- Earthquake
- Blizzard

Alakazam is the fastest para-spreader in the tier. The idea is against a Starmie lead, it will para Starmie allowing for the plan to go into effect. Also has reflect.

Raticate is the main novelty in this anti-Starmie plan. Its job is to land Super Fang to halve Starmie's HP. The other moves are for coverage and damage.

Chansey is explicitly level 93 to set up the Max HP - 255 HP glitch. If it uses seismic toss on a Starmie after Raticate's super fang, it will be unable to use Recover. Rest is par for the course.

Snorlax is Snorlax (lol). this Snorlax has Amnesia as a setup move, and Ice Beam for the special attack. It also has self-destruct in order to eliminate a threat if its in danger.

Exeggutor is the sleeper. It also has explosion to take out a threat. Before that it puts pokemon to sleep and spreads status and does STAB psychic

Tauros is the sweeper. They're dealing with the leftovers who have all the status. They have blizzard and earthquake for coverage.

The core and gimmicky idea is to paralyze Starmie, then have Raticate come out and hit them with Super Fang, then seismic toss with the level 93 Chansey to put them at exactly 255 HP below their max HP. The rest of the team is designed for coverage for everything else.
 
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Raichu doesn’t learn Super Fang which is a consistent damage move needed

Chansey is level 93 and not 85 because the idea is to super fang to halve Starmie’s HP then Seismic Toss with Chansey which would deal 93 damage, getting Starmie to the exact value needed to be unable to recover
 
Giles Corey 92 said:
Chansey is level 93 and not 85 because the idea is to super fang to halve Starmie’s HP then Seismic Toss with Chansey which would deal 93 damage, getting Starmie to the exact value needed to be unable to recover
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Turn 1: Cate super fangs
Turn 2: Chansey comes in
Turn 3: you seismic

Every rational player would recover at some point. This is the best case scenario btw if raticate dies chansey is basically on a crutch
 
Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Starmie: 158-186 (48.9 - 57.5%) -- 96.4% chance to 2HKO

Why do you need to switch out to Chansey here? If the Starmie is paralyzed you just threaten to outright KO it.

Full team feedback, I'm going to assume the rat is always sticking on this team since it's the gimmick:

Alakazam
Why does this have Reflect? Just run standard with Seismic Toss > Reflect.

Raticate
What is Blizzard meant for here? I would think you'd run Bubble Beam to handle Rhydon, if anything.

Chansey
There is zero reason to have a Chansey under level 100, as established. The set also really doesn't make sense to me, it should probably be either Sing/Toss/Twave/Soft or IB/Tbolt/Twave/Soft, though I kind of wonder if you want a Chansey at all on this team rather than more aggression with Twave via a Starmie or something, which also helps pad you against Tauros a little bit.

Snorlax
This set is messy. If you want Amnesia on it with no recovery, there is no reason not to use Blizzard, but I don't understand what this set is for. Your biggest problems on this Raticate team are Gengar, Zapdos, and Tauros - the former for blanking Raticate and the latter two for revenge killing Raticate and requiring you to switch into them. Self-Destruct Snorlax neatly solves the latter two, but you still have a problem with Gengar. One option is Body Slam/Earthquake/Self-Destruct/Rest, which lets you Rest on Chansey to recover health but gives you the moves you need to delete Zapdos/Tauros and enable your Tauros and Raticate, and EQ + Rest means you can switch into Gengar and force it out with the threat of a 2HKO. Self-Destruct is also nice if you trade your Chansey out for a Starmie because booming the opposing Chansey can enable all of your Psychics to come online.

Exeggutor
Your set is fine, one idea you might consider is Sleep/Psy/Hbeam/Explosion to actually pressure sleep against paralyzed targets like Jynx, Alakazam, and Chansey. Try both and see what works for you.

Tauros
It's Tauros, no criticisms here.

All in all I think you absolutely can make Raticate work on the RBY ladder and it's not a new idea at all, but the way this RMT is written it seems like you have a long way to go in understanding the game. If you're going to put a Normal-type on your team to blast holes in the enemy team, you have to actually use it, not switch it out after getting the Super Fang on the target you wanted! RBY has a lot of sort-of 50/50 guesses (but not really 50/50 oddswise) on Hyper Beam vs potential switchouts, if you're running Raticate you have to embrace that and keep the pressure high rather than retreat to Chansey and let them recover. I don't say this to be critical but rather you should probably learn to use the real OU Pokemon first if you wanna make the niche guys work to their best ability. That said, Raticate's fun to play, so if you're just playing for fun I hope you enjoy the team :)

Here's my version: https://pokepast.es/dd4b511bb723099c
 
Thank you all so much for the feedback. It's clear I have a lot to learn and I appreciate all you had to say.

To Sabelette, something I can think of is:

Super Fang the Starmie and threaten hyper beam which is very likely to KO after a super fang, leading to a likely switchout, where then they can't switch in on your Chansey or else they will get Seismic Tossed and be unable to recover.

Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Starmie: 158-186 (48.9 - 57.5%) -- 89.7% chance to OHKO

I get that's still a gimmick, but it's more thought out now?

I look forward to playing more on the ladder and improving and understanding the game more as I play and read up on theory.
 
Giles Corey 92 said:
Super Fang the Starmie and threaten hyper beam which is very likely to KO after a super fang, leading to a likely switchout, where then they can't switch in on your Chansey or else they will get Seismic Tossed and be unable to recover.
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If you think they'll switch, the right play is probably going to be to Body Slam with Raticate. If you're wrong and they stay in, 25% chance they paralyze, 20% chance you critical hit and KO anyway, and the rest of the time the Starmie is on 25% HP and in grave danger. If they switch, 30% paraslam, 20% crit on entry. Super Fang can also cover predicted switches especially to Gengar or Snorlax. My point is, keep the pressure on and you'll get more out of the rat.
 
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