Gimmick Blissey Set, don't laugh :-<

Anubis Zero

So, I was looking at the CMBliss set, and why not have a Choice Specs set?

Blissey (F) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Rest
- Thunderbolt / Flamethrower / Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fighting] / Hidden Power [Ground] / Focus Blast

The idea is to come in on a special attack, even with the huge HP and still good SpDef stat this can work, and predict a switch-in. Thunderbolt is for waters, Flamethrower for Metagross, Psychic for Heracross.
HP Fighting is for Ttar, which is a 2HKO if it's not Boah, or you could go HP Ground to hurt Metagross.
Once you've lost a huge chunk of your HP, Rest and switch out again. You'll have a full-health Blissey next time!

Any ideas? Also, if this is the wrong board please say so, I tried to post in the Blissey Analyse but I couldn't >_>
 
I think the title "gimmick" blissey set explains it. That set can't really do things that are trying to set up, plus if you predict wrong or need to heal, you need to switch out of your special wall into something that will take a beating.
 
No, I don't have any Damage Calculations, if someone could point me a good Damage Calculator or if anyone could do some Damage Calcs, I'd be really thankful.

DragonKnight900, the idea is to Rest of the damage you have received, and immediatly afterwards switch out, to abuse Natural Cure.
 
Psychic:
78-92% against Heracross
OHKO against Infernape

Ice Beam:
OHKO against Garchomp (so Salamence too)
59-69% against Rhyperior (max HP, Solid Rock)

Thunderbolt:
OHKO against Gyarados (bulky EV's)
50-59% against Milotic (max HP)

Fire Blast:
OHKO against Metagross (decent amount of HP EV's)
73-86% against Bronzong (max HP, about 100 Sp.Def EV's)

Flamethrower:
58-68% against Bronzong (as above)
77-91% against Metagross (as above)

HP Ground:
57-67% against Metagross (EV's used for above calc)

HP Fighting:
70-82% against Tyranitar (no EV's, Sandstorm)
59-69% against Tyranitar (252 HP EV's, Sandstorm)

Just a few for now.
 
I'm going to laugh since its just a generic special attacker, its not even so much a gimmick. Even Altaria technically does this better as it has Draco Meteor to work with. At best Blissey has special sponginess on its side but it feels like a waste of a Blissey.
 
CrazyStarwolf had been quietly planning to use a choice specs Blissey as soon as the DP item list was hacked. I can see merits in the idea, but the item surely cannot be optimal for a Blissey.
 
Sir Spanky said:
Psychic:
78-92% against Heracross
OHKO against Infernape
OHKO against Gengar


Ice Beam:
OHKO against Garchomp (so Salamence too)
59-69% against Rhyperior (max HP, Solid Rock)

Thunderbolt:
OHKO against Gyarados (bulky EV's)
50-59% against Milotic (max HP)

Fire Blast:
OHKO against Heracross
OHKO against Metagross (decent amount of HP EV's)
73-86% against Bronzong (max HP, about 100 Sp.Def EV's)

Flamethrower:
83-98% against Heracross
58-68% against Bronzong (as above)
77-91% against Metagross (as above)

HP Ground:
57-67% against Metagross (EV's used for above calc)

HP Fighting:
70-82% against Tyranitar (no EV's, Sandstorm)
59-69% against Tyranitar (252 HP EV's, Sandstorm)

Just a few for now.
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Additions bolded.
 
...It's not really that gimmicky, as Foretsy and McGraw have pointed out, but it can't really be as effective, or as common as the standard SpecWall Blissey we all know and hate.

That being said, if you really want to make this gimmicky, you could scrap the Natural Cure (I never thought I'd be saying this) and go for Serene Grace, Thunder and Ice Beam to inflict status, and maybe Softboiled, although Softboiled would be even less effective than Rest in the original idea. Edit: looks like it could be the CS version of CM Bliss; since most Calm Minders or Nasty Plotters have a Choice Specs option, this doesn't seem too gimmicky...

It could work on sheer surprise, but I think most Blissey users would be content to use their Sp. Wall Bliss's and Sing/Twave thier switch-in counters...
 
If you want to be really gimmicky you could always do Gravity/Softboiled/Blizzard/Thunder with Blissey. Blizzard and Thunder become 100% accurate and makes up for Bliss's meh s.atk. Softboiled for obvious reasons and the trait would be upto you. Natural Cure has its obvious merits but Serene Grace would give you a 60% paralysis with your already 100% accurate Thunder.

The merit of that kind of set would be is you can go all out on the special attack without forfeiting your sponge and healing abilities.
 
It's not that it can't be a good idea, as suprise will get you more kills than stalling someone with a Blissey. However, there just seem to be better things to do this and this has better things to do, simply said. I mean, I sure as fuck will be shocked when I send in my Heracross, and if you had SR out and it KO's me, then your set did what it was set out to achieve!
 
It's actually a better idea than it sounds, and I do like the idea of abusing Natural Rest with Choice Specs. It might be better to give it Wish support and run an extra attack for coverage, though. HP Ground/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Psychic gives good coverage.
 
It seems interesting enough. It does seem to hit hard on common counters. You'd basically need to figure who they want to switch it and act according the next time all while not giving away you're not holding leftovers.

Although after that, you are left with a Blissey who's being far less effective than she could be.
 
cookie said:
It's actually a better idea than it sounds, and I do like the idea of abusing Natural Rest with Choice Specs. It might be better to give it Wish support and run an extra attack for coverage, though. HP Ground/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Psychic gives good coverage.
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If you like the idea of abusing Natural Rest with Choice Specs, try using Choice Specs Shaymin. With Seed Flare's amazing secondary effect (40% chance of sharply lowering Special Defense), it does this job much better imo. Without Leftovers and instant healing in Softboiled, Blissey just becomes "another special attacker". Not to mention the fact that Blissey is going to have difficulty switching in and using Rest, seeing as how Blissey is not fast. Unlike Shaymin.
 
I've actually faced a choice specs blissey on shoddybattle.

If I recall correctly, it managed to KO one of my pokemon due to the surprise of it, and after that it didn't cause me any more trouble... but if it's played well I'm sure you could do some damage with it. I think it's just like everyone has said, it can work, but there are just better things for blissey to do.
 
SpecsBliss is pure surprise you can KO a couple of (usually one)pokemon because your foe wasn't expecting it. But after that Bliss is pretty useless. Leave Specs rest natural cure to shaymin
 
Rest means Dugtrio might get a free switch-in and it would have more than enough time to KO blissey because she'd be stuck to using Rest over and over again or even Thunder/bolt.

NEUTRAL Nature Dugtrio's Choice Band EQ does 53.99% - 63.50%to Blissey with those IVs and Nature, and she doesn't have leftovers. Regardless of how popular Dugtrio is, it just seems that Rest may be a bit risky.
 
If you can get it right at the moment it might work but still it is very risky knowing most of the opponents will outspeed blissey who has lack of a support move known as thunderwave to back her up. I mean a meteor mash from metaqgross or even worse can make tyranitar dance and lets all don't forget our close combatter heracross but still can use the opponent tricking in them to use taunt or other move to stop blisseys status action but when they see a fireblast in their bronzongs face it make them consider blisseys other options. I still think it is pretty risky. Rest might give a free turn for a nasty plot or swords dance. lol at least trickzam don't work against this pokemon. This set also reminds me of the sing and calmmind bliss.
 
I remember randomly coming up with Specsbliss but I thought you could just specs pretty much any pokemon and get away with it. Specsbliss does put a nice surprise factor but it gets countered by its own kind pretty much.
 
I remember randomly coming up with Specsbliss but I thought you could just specs pretty much any pokemon and get away with it.
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Quoted simply because this sums up why Specs on anything isn't anything special unless it already has overkilled special attack to begin with.
 
Familiar Trainer said:
If you like the idea of abusing Natural Rest with Choice Specs, try using Choice Specs Shaymin. With Seed Flare's amazing secondary effect (40% chance of sharply lowering Special Defense), it does this job much better imo. Without Leftovers and instant healing in Softboiled, Blissey just becomes "another special attacker". Not to mention the fact that Blissey is going to have difficulty switching in and using Rest, seeing as how Blissey is not fast. Unlike Shaymin.
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By the way, Blissey with Specs is easily stopped by... another Blissey. Shaymin, on the other hand, has a chance (don't know how much) of just walk over the fatass with Seed Flare.
 
This could seriously work if you can predict right. Deciding on 3 attacking moves could be difficult. I'm thinking ice beam/fire blast/hp fighting.


I'm assuming 252 Def/ 252 spatk +modest? or were you thinking bold? Blissey can reach 229 speed with max evs and a +speed nature which can surprise a lot of stuff. It kill metagross and tyranitar before they even land a hit this way.
 
I've made this before, and it's more than a gimmick. It can seriously cost the game for an unsuspecting opponent.
I semi-like the way you are using Rest with Natural Cure: however, this won't get you far.
You should mention how Serene Grace would more benefit this than Natural Cure, overall.
I think Fire Blast is better than Flamethrower on this set, cause this needs almost as much power as it can get.
With Focus Blast/Shadow Ball(both benefiting from Serene Grace), you cover everything neutral except Heracross, which is one of your semi-common switch-ins, along with Tyranitar and many "slow" hard hitters.
With Fire Blast/ Flamethrower, you have a doubled % chance of Burn occuring, semi-covering Blissey's Defense weakness.
The thing she lacks is a good Special STAB for the set. In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is Hyper Beam, which could be used, but most likely not accepted.
Grass Knot can cover Water/Rock/Ground types, but I perfer the above moves for them anyway.
This is probably the perferred set:

Blissey @ Choice Specs
Serene Grace: Modest
252 Def, 4 Spd, 252 Sp. Atk
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast/HP Fighting
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Hidden Power(Whatever)/Grass Knot/Hyper Beam/Softboiled/Psychic/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

I was thinking about making a topic to discuss this, but I didn't feel like going through all the trouble for damage calculations, since I know smoganians wouldn't be quiet without them. But, hey, you go right ahead.
 
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