• Follow our Instagram!
  • Curious about what we're currently doing about bots? Check out the latest updates from staff in this thread.

Gliscor [QC: 3/4]

SM979

dank memes
is a Contributor Alumnus
gliscor.gif
[OVERVIEW]

Gliscor's natural bulk and fair defensive typing lets it easily handle Pokemon such as Landorus-T, Mega Heracross, and Electric-types lacking a Water- or Ice-type coverage move. Gliscor can also beat common Pokemon such as Garchomp and Heatran thanks to its good physical bulk and STAB Earthquake, respectively. Its Guillotine attack is pretty spammable once everything immune to it is gone, as Gliscor's good typing and bulk gives it many free opportunities to use Guillotine, and Gliscor can constantly heal itself with Poison Heal.

However, Gliscor can be exploited by common Pokemon such as Gliscor pretty much relies on Guillotine not missing to reliably do part of its job; the other part switching Gliscor into Pokemon it walls and using Earthquake to slowly wear them down.

[SET]
name: Stall
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Guillotine
move 4: Protect
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 244 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Substitute lets Gliscor stall some time and scout the foe. In combination with Toxic Orb, Poison Heal, and Protect, Gliscor can effectively stall out the foe's PP, allowing for easier uses of Guillotine. Albeit uninvested, Earthquake is a powerful STAB attack that hits common Pokemon that are weak to it, such as Mega Charizard X, Mega Gengar, Mega Blaziken, Heatran, and Aegislash, for decent damage. Guillotine, despite being 30% accurate, hits what Earthquake cannot. Its main use is to OHKO non-Sturdy users, non-Ghost-type Levitate users, and Flying-type Pokemon, as well as bulkier Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan, Chansey, Blissey, and Suicune. Similar to Substitute, Protect lets Gliscor stall time, scout the foe, and stall the foe's PP, allowing for easier uses of Guillotine. Toxic can be used over Guillotine, as it is more reliable for beating defensive Pokemon, but Guillotine's ability to OHKO foes on the spot is much more preferred.

Set Details
========

252 HP EVs increase Gliscor's overall bulk, while an Impish nature and 12 Defense EVs increase Gliscor's natural physical bulk. 244 Speed EVs let Gliscor outspeed maximum Speed base 80 Pokemon such as Glalie and Mamoswine. Speed investment is preferred over Defense investment because Gliscor needs to be as fast as possible in order to effectively stall out most Pokemon. Toxic Orb activates Poison Heal, which recovers an eighth of Gliscor's maximum HP at the end of each turn.

Usage Tips
========

Use Substitute and Protect to stall out the foe's PP. Once you're sure that their best move's PP is gone, use Earthquake if it is an OHKO or 2HKO. If not, use Guillotine to try to OHKO them on the spot. When stalling out some time, don't just stall out time with Substitute and Protect; do this and stall the timer. Wait until it gets to one second to make your move. Don't stall the clock if you're down more Pokemon than your opponent, so you have more time to beat the foe, and stall time when you have more than your opponent, so they have less time to beat you. If the clock runs out while you have more Pokemon remaining, you win.

Team Options
========

Chansey and Blissey have great Special Defense to help back up Gliscor's weaker Special Defense stat, providing an excellent defensive core. Since most Water- and Ice-type attacks are special, they have an easy time switching into things Gliscor can't. Water-type Pokemon such as Slowbro, Mega Slowbro, Suicune, and Rotom-W can switch into the Water- and Ice-type attacks that threaten Gliscor. Mega Venusaur can switch into Water-type attacks that threaten Gliscor, and provides Leech Seed support, letting Gliscor continuously wear down the foe and stall them without having to resort to Guillotine. Klefki has good defensive synergy with Gliscor, being able to switch into the Ice-type attacks aimed at Gliscor, and Gliscor getting free switch ins to Ground-type attacks aimed at Klefki. Klefki can either utilize the combination of Swagger and Thunder Wave so that Gliscor has a safer time spamming Guillotine, or can utilize dual screens so that the opponent's Pokemon have a harder time breaking past Gliscor. Gliscor has good defensive synergy with Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Ferrothorn, so they are good teammates. Pokemon with Toxic support let Gliscor stall out Pokemon that would otherwise be a threat to it, as having it makes preserving Guillotine's PP easier. Pokemon such as Zapdos or Suicune can normally waste Guillotine's PP faster due to Pressure, and having them poisoned reflects the pressure back to the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Rock Tomb hits Pokemon that are immune to Earthquake, such as Mega Charizard Y, Mega Pinsir, and Talonflame, and provides Speed control, but doesn't have much use outside of that. Stealth Rock sets up an entry hazard on the opponent's end, racking up damage on the opposing team. Gliscor is a mediocre stallbreaker, and thus can utilize the combination of Taunt + Toxic to wear down common Pokemon such as Chansey and Suicune. Ice Fang hits Pokemon such as Mega Salamence, Garchomp, and Landorus-T for decent damage, but is significantly weaker than Earthquake and provides redundant coverage otherwise. Roost can be used as a reliable form of recovery. Gliscor has a very big movepool, so it can utilize moves such as Swords Dance, Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Fling, Stone Edge, Knock Off, Baton Pass, and even Torment.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Gengar, Skarmory, and Mega Sableye**: Gengar's and Skarmory's typing and ability make them immune to both Earthquake and Guillotine. Mega Sableye is immune to Guillotine, and only takes around 20% damage from Earthquake, which it can then heal off with Recover.

**Hex Mega Gengar**: Standard Mega Gengar 2HKOes Gliscor with Hex due to Gliscor always being inflicted with poison, and has a chance to OHKO if fully invested. Earthquake is unable to OHKO standard Mega Gengar, and if it has Hex, it can easily beat Gliscor. Mega Gengar is also immune to Guillotine.

**Sylveon**: Choice Specs Sylveon OHKOes Gliscor with Hyper Voice, and its mechanics let Sylveon hit through Gliscor's Substitute. Sylveon does, however, have to be wary of Guillotine.

**Pokemon With Strong Water- and Ice-type Attacks**: Pokemon with strong Water- and Ice-type attacks, such as Suicune and Thundurus, have enough power to OHKO Gliscor. Both can switch into Earthquake with ease, but must be wary of Guillotine. Albeit semi-rare, Mega Kangaskhan can use Ice Punch, which OHKOes Gliscor if not behind a Substitute and 2HKOes if behind one.

**Cloyster and Mamoswine**: Cloyster and Mamoswine have access to Icicle Spear, which is able to break Gliscor's Substitutes and hit it for super effective damage after doing so. Cloyster easily OHKOes Gliscor no matter the circumstance because of Skill Link, but Mamoswine needs at least three hits in order to at least have a chance to OHKO.
 
Last edited:
Also, you'll probably get to this when you expand Checks & Counters but just remember that due to Toxic Orb, Gengar gets the boost on Hex sets which are very common. It has a good chance to OHKO. It can be easy to forget this since Toxic Orb is so helpful.
 
Also, you'll probably get to this when you expand Checks & Counters but just remember that due to Toxic Orb, Gengar gets the boost on Hex sets which are very common. It has a good chance to OHKO. It can be easy to forget this since Toxic Orb is so helpful.
Actually, I was going to add that later, but thanks anyway!
 
Everything looks there to me, just make sure to mention that Hex 2HKOs due to Gliscor being Toxic'd.

Also, you might want to mention, in Other Options or Set Details, why speed investment is more important than defensive investment, 'cause that won't be clear to most people (I believe defensive or special defensive investment with just a little speed is the most common in OU).

Other than that it looks fine to me!

foX3Myn.gif

QC 1/3
 
Not much for me to nitpick here!

-In counters, I'd give Mamoswine and Cloyster a special mention, as those two usually have Icicle Spear, allowing them to bypass Gliscor's Substitute shenanigans.

- I'd mention Toxic support in team options. Now, the specfic mons are a bit nebulous considering the amount of mons that learn the move, but it can be nice because stalling out a Toxic'd mon preserves Gullotine's PP (especially useful if you're facing off pressure mons like Suicune or Zapdos, and want to conserve your Guillotine PP for facing them off)

I'm debating wether or not we should put this in, but something to note: A lot of people on the 3DS who use teams sorta based around Gliscor have all of their Pokemon Shiny. This is because the shiny animation takes some extra time! Now, since getting shinies is a pain in the ass, it would be weird to mention. I think you can also get the same shiny effect by completing Pokemon contests, does anyone know the exact details for that? We could mention the Pokemon contest thing somewhere...

Jibaku I think you mentioned this before so Ima highlight you

Otherwise...

8-bit-mario-gif.40637

QC 2/3
 
Last edited:
You get the Ribbon effect when entering battle by completing every Master Rank contest with the same Pokemon. This can be done really easily by just maxing your Pokemon's condition in every stat with Pokeblocks (rainbow+ are obviously the best). I actually think the Ribbon effect is slightly longer than the shiny animation so it's probably better for this strategy.

Speaking of that strategy though, if we're gonna go that far in usage tips / team options then should we also say wait until the turn clock has reached 1 second before selecting a move to waste as much time as possible? Because if time wasting is the aim of the game you may as well go all out, however I think it's way too gimmicky to put in a Pokemon analysis, and probably best saved for an article on various strategies in Battle Spot
 
- Would mention Toxic on the main slot alongside Guillotine as it is more reliable, or at least in set comments.
- Ribbon/Shiny Effect is cute but I don't think we should be mentioning it o_O.
- Mega Kangaskhan carries Ice Punch 32% of the time. That's also something to watch out for when using Gliscor.


QC 3/3 I need my own stamp t.t
 
Implemented everything. And yeah, I agree, if we're gonna go that far I might as well say 'turn on battle animations' or 'find something entertaining to do while you stall mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk'. So I'll write this ASAP then get a 4th check to make sure it's fine. thanks everyone :D
 
Was gonna say this needs to be written before the last check. Tag me when this is done and I'll (try to) do it :)
 
comments in bold

gliscor.gif
Overview
########

Gliscor's natural bulk and fair defensive typing lets it easily handle Pokemon such as Mega Beedrill is this really common enough to mention first (or even at all)?, Mega Heracross, Landorus-T, and Electric-types lacking a Water- or Ice-type coverage move. Gliscor can beat common Pokemon such as Mega Gengar lacking Hex Shadow Ball is a 2HKO so if you miss the OHKO with Earthquake then you lose, and Aegislash it will OHKO you with Shadow Ball after a Weakness Policy boost, thanks to its STAB Earthquake and good bulk these are two special attackers (and your set is physically defensive) that have a really good chance of wining. Gliscor also beats other common Pokemon such as Garchomp and Heatran how??. Its Guillotine attack is pretty spammable once everything immune to it is gone why??. However, Gliscor pretty much relies on Guillotine not missing to reliably do its job really? can't you just wall things and wear them down with EQ? I thought Guillotine was just a 'get out of jail' card you can use against stuff like Suicune that wreck you otherwise. To sum it up, Gliscor is a high-risk, high-reward type of Pokemon you say this like Gliscor's only playstyle is 'bring it in and spam Guillotine until you die' which it isn't

The overview is quite brief, not only is it short, but the information is all positive. There must be something holding Gliscor back from being the best defensive Pokemon in Battle Spot, that needs to be explained (4x Ice weakness ofc - not helped by nearly everything carrying Ice coverage to kill stuff like Chomp, Lando etc.). You should also explain that it makes a great status absorber as it is often already poisoned, or can absorb poison before that.

Substitute bit boring. is Sub even the focus of the set? I mean it's not a huge issue but why not something like Poison Healer or something idk
########
name: Substitute
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Guillotine
move 4: Protect
ability: Poison Heal
item: Toxic Orb
evs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 244 Spe
nature: Impish

Moves
========

Substitute lets Gliscor stall some time and scout the foe. In combination with Toxic Orb, Poison Heal, and Protect, Gliscor can effectively stall out the foe's PP, allowing for easier uses of Guillotine. Albeit uninvested, Earthquake is a powerful STAB attack that hits common Pokemon that are weak to it, such as Mega Charizard X, Mega Gengar, Blaziken, Mega Blaziken, Heatran, and Aegislash, for decent damage. Guillotine, despite being 30% accurate, hits what Earthquake cannot. Its main use is to OHKO non-Sturdy users, non-Ghost-type Levitate users, and Flying-type Pokemon, as well as bulkier Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan, Chansey, Blissey, and Suicune. Similar to Substitute, Protect lets Gliscor stall time, scout the foe, and stall the foe's PP, allowing for easier uses of Guillotine. Toxic can be used over Guillotine, as it is more reliable for beating defensive Pokemon, but Guillotine's ability to OHKO foes on the spot is much more preferred.

Set Details
========

252 HP EVs increase Gliscor's overall bulk, while an Impish nature and 12 Defense EVs increase Gliscor's natural physical bulk. 244 Speed EVs let Gliscor outspeed maximum Speed base 80 Pokemon such as Glalie and Mamoswine why is outspeeding these important? Glalie will often have speed boosts racked up from Moody, and Mamo can just hit you with Ice Shard (or bypass Sub with Icicle Spear). Surely you could drop some speed to get some more defensive bulk (check speed tiers). Speed investment is preferred over Defense investment because Gliscor needs to be as fast as possible in order to effectively stall out most Pokemon. Toxic Orb activates Poison Heal, which recovers an eighth of Gliscor's maximum HP at the end of each turn.

Usage Tips
========

Use Substitute and Protect to stall out the foe's PP. Once you're sure that their best move's PP is gone, use Earthquake if it is an OHKO or 2HKO. If not, use Guillotine to try to OHKO them on the spot. When stalling out some time, don't just stall out time with Substitute and Protect; do this and stall the timer. Wait until it gets to one second to make your move. Don't stall the clock if you're down more Pokemon than your opponent, so you have more time to beat the foe, and stall time when you have more than your opponent, so they have less time to beat you. If the clock runs out while you have more Pokemon remaining, you win.

This whole paragraph needs a revamp. Firstly, you should be explaining what Pokemon you should use Gliscor against and why it is good against them. Then go into how Gliscor is able to completely wall certain things due to its Protect+Sub+Toxic Heal combo (list which Pokemon you can prey on), then you can add a final bit at the end explaining how if you draw out your turns by waiting for the clock to nearly expire before selecting each move you can attempt to stall out the battle timer and win on percentage, although this strategy is unadvised and pretty sure we decided it didn't need to be in

Team Options
========

Chansey and Blissey have great Special Defense to help back up Gliscor's weaker Special Defense stat, providing an excellent defensive core. Since most Water- and Ice-type attacks are special, they have an easy time switching into things Gliscor can't. Water-type Pokemon such as Slowbro, Mega Slowbro, Suicune, and Rotom-W can switch into the Water- and Ice-type attacks that threaten Gliscor. Mega Venusaur can switch into Water-type attacks that threaten Gliscor, and provides Leech Seed support, letting Gliscor continuously wear down the foe and stall them without having to resort to Guillotine. Klefki has good defensive synergy with Gliscor, being able to switch into the Ice-type attacks aimed at Gliscor, and Gliscor getting free switch ins to Ground-type attacks aimed at Klefki. Klefki can either utilize the combination of Swagger and Thunder Wave so that Gliscor has a safer time spamming Guillotine, or can utilize dual screens so that the opponent's Pokemon have a harder time breaking past Gliscor. Gliscor has good defensive synergy with Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Ferrothorn, so they are good teammates why??. Pokemon with Toxic support let Gliscor stall out Pokemon that would otherwise be a threat to it, as having it takes makes preserving Guillotine's PP easier. Pokemon such as Zapdos or Suicune can normally waste Guillotine's PP faster due to Pressure, and having them poisoned reflects the pressure back to the opponent.

Other Options
########

Rock Tomb hits Pokemon that are immune to Earthquake, such as Mega Charizard Y, Mega Pinsir, and Talonflame, and provides Speed control, but doesn't have much use outside of that. Stealth Rock sets up an entry hazard on the opponent's end, racking up damage on the opposing team as they switch (we also need to be more careful in how often we promote Stealth Rock since it isn't as integral to BSS as it is to OU). Gliscor is a mediocre stallbreaker, and thus can utilize the combination of Taunt + Toxic to wear down common Pokemon such as Chansey and Suicune. Ice Fang hits Pokemon such as Mega Salamence, Garchomp, and Landorus-T for decent damage, but is significantly weaker than Earthquake and provides redundant coverage otherwise. Roost can be used as a reliable form of recovery. Gliscor has a very big movepool, so it can utilize moves such as Swords Dance, Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Fling, Stone Edge, Knock Off, Baton Pass, and even Torment why are these not used though? I think Fling + Acrobatics needs a special mention.

Checks & Counters
########

**Gengar, Skarmory, and Mega Sableye**: Gengar's and Skarmory's typing and abilities make them immune to both Earthquake and Guillotine. Mega Sableye is immune to Guillotine, and only takes around 20% damage from Earthquake, which it can then heal off with Recover.

**Hex Mega Gengar but it's stated in the overview that Gliscor can beat it?**: Standard Mega Gengar 2HKOes Gliscor with Hex due to Gliscor always being inflicted with poison, and has a chance to OHKO if fully invested from my experience, most M-Gar are fully invested unless they're dedicated Perish Trappers. Earthquake is unable to OHKO standard Mega Gengar, and if it has Hex, it can easily beat Gliscor. Mega Gengar is also immune to Guillotine.

**Sylveon**: Choice Specs Sylveon just barely OHKOes a OHKO is a OHKO Gliscor with Hyper Voice, and Hyper Voice's mechanics let it hit through Gliscor's Substitute. Sylveon does, however, have to be wary of Guillotine.

**Pokemon With Strong Water- and Ice-type Attacks**: Pokemon with strong Water- and Ice-type attacks, such as Suicune and Thundurus, have enough power to OHKO Gliscor. Both can switch into Earthquake with ease, but must be wary of Guillotine. Albeit semi-rare, Mega Kangaskhan can use Ice Punch, which OHKOes Gliscor if not behind a Substitute and 2HKOes if behind one. Ice coverage is everywhere, why is Thundurus the most important?

**Cloyster and Mamoswine**: Cloyster and Mamoswine have access to Icicle Spear, which is able to break Gliscor's Substitutes and hit it for super effective damage after doing so. Cloyster easily OHKOes Gliscor, no matter the circumstance, due to Skill Link, but Mamoswine needs at least three hits in order to at least have a chance to OHKO.
 
I'll just take this one over, since I can edit the post directly. It's almost finished so it'd be a shame to have all the finished write-up go to waste.
 
Back
Top