Gliscor (Uber Analysis)

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I passed the test so I will be one shortly . . . if no one stamps my check, I'll be back (after bojangles updates the team list) to stamp this myself.

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[Overview]

<p>Respectable bulk, few weaknesses, resistances to Fighting and Bug, and key immunities to grounded entry hazards, status, Ground- and Electric-type moves all provide Gliscor ample opportunities to come in and set up a Substitute, threatening opponents with STAB Ground moves and from a very usable Speed stat. Poison Heal and Protect also provide excellent passive recovery. As one of the premier Groudon counters in the game, Gliscor can also contribute excellently to a defensive core if necessary. Unfortunately, it is very weak on the special side, so in some scenarios matches Gliscor can turn out to be completely dead weight. However, if you play to Gliscor's strengths, it will become prove to be a marvelous asset to your team.</p>

[SET]
name: Substitute
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Protect / Taunt
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Earthquake
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Come in on choice-item locked Choice-locked Ground or Electric attacks, on Groudon, or on something which Gliscor can you force out with Earthquake and set up a Substitute. Once you get your sub up proceed to Toxic, Gliscor can then proceed to cripple the switch-in with Toxic, or just outright Earthquake if they are immune to the status. The combination of Protect and Substitute provide a full 32 turns of undisturbed stalling, which means that anything with Life Orb, burn, or poison status, or Choice-locked into a low PP move with low pp can will be forced to either switch or die. Taunt is an excellent option over Protect, Toxic, or Earthquake, as without it this set is a sitting duck for Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress to set up on. Taunt also allows you to take on Chansey, Blissey, and Pokemon with healing moves attempting to heal off damage and poison. Unfortunately, removing any of the moves listed above can create pose severe problems to for the set's overall effectiveness. The loss of Protect reduces your own Gliscor's healing capabilities and means you that it can't scout as easily or PP and Toxic stall for 32 turns. Removing Earthquake leaves you Gliscor vulnerable to being countered continually by any Steel- or Poison-type with Leftovers. Toxic is also not a good thing to remove, as even with Toxic Spikes up, Levitators, Flying-types, and Balloon users can all come in with impunity.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Another option for the set is using 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD with an Impish nature, as this allows you Gliscor to take on Scarf Zekrom far more easily, in addition to setting up on support Groudon variants without any trouble at all with little to no trouble. However, the loss of that much Speed is not without its disadvantages.</p>

<p>The beauty of Gliscor's Speed stat is that it outspeeds the common base 90 group, meaning it can Toxic as they break the sub and then set up a Substitute again before they have the opportunity to attack Gliscor move. Better yet, faster pokemon like Palkia, Rayquaza, Mewtwo, Shaymin-S, and Darkrai that could prevent Gliscor from using Toxic before executing the Substitute and Protect chain tend to carry Life Orb or Choice Scarf. Substitute allows Gliscor you to scout the move that Choiced Pokemon make and either PP stall it to give yourself itself yet another free turn or switch to the appropriate counter. Now that Life Orb still causes recoil damage on Substitutes, Gliscor doesn't even need Toxic to incur passive damage on Pokemon that use it. These Pokemon will often die without even removing Gliscor of his its Substitute, which means you it can simply start the process over again on their the opponenet's next Pokemon.</p>

<p>As mentioned previously, this Gliscor handles almost any Groudon extremely well, being immune to Earthquake and neutral to Fire Punch, Stone Edge, and Dragon Claw. For offensive versions, simply Toxic and then Substall away. Support versions are even easier to deal with, as they typically lack the punch to kill your Gliscor's Substitute with Dragon Tail, and may have only the inaccurate and low PP Stone Edge to retaliate with. Support Groudon can easily provide you Gliscor with several free Substitute opportunities throughout the game, each one often netting a kill. The standard Dragon Tail / Will-O-Wisp Giratina set provides equally good setup fodder, as Dragon Tail doesn't break your sub Gliscor's sub. You Gliscor can also set up against Dragon Claw variants of Giratina-O, as Dragon Claw does only decent so-so damage and Draco Meteors are absorbed by the Substitute. Outrage variants are handled pretty easily as well, but Gliscor you will take a good chunk of damage when Toxicking on an Outrage. Ground Arceus, although relatively rare, is also a good Pokemon to switch in on.</p>

<p>Gliscor can also do some other important things for your team. It is an excellent switch-in to U-turn because it is resistant to Bug, immune to Spikes, and can heal back HP and scout the opposing switch-in with Poison Heal and Protect. Gliscor's 12.5% passive recovery is also useful for taking on Leech Seeders such as Whimsicott and Jumpluff, as their seeding will do 0 net damage, meaning Gliscor you can switch around and easily waste Leech Seed PP. If you are especially weak to Choice Specs Kyogre you can also use Gliscor's Protect to stall it out of Water Spout PP.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>If Roost is an option worth considering for your team, recognize that it isn't allowed with Poison Heal, which means you lose Gliscor loses immunity to status and an extra 6.25% healing every turn. The healing from Poison Heal and Protect is typically enough to keep Gliscor healthy throughout the match. You also need Sand Veil to use Stealth Rock is also illegal with Poison Heal. Gliscor also has Baton Pass, Swords Dance, and Agility at its disposal, but it is geneally inferior to Mew for Baton Pass sets, as it is easily dispatched by Kyogre, even when behind screens.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Manaphy with rain support is arguably the best Gliscor counter, with immunity to Toxic and high defenses to avoid taking heavy Earthquake damage; it is further aided by its excellent healing option in with Rest, and STAB Surf with which to hit Gliscor's Water-type weakness. Defensive Kyogre with Rest, and Refresh Arceus and Latias variants can easily shrug off Gliscor's moves and set up Calm Mind. You should also be careful of Palkia, as it can fake a Choice Scarf with Lustrous Orb and ruin your attempts to switch in something else to take the hit. Ferrothorn is immune to Toxic and takes relatively little from Earthquake; Meanwhile, it can retaliate with Power Whips and Gyro Balls that do decent enough damage to easily break the Substitute. Skarmory has to watch out for Taunt, but takes nothing from is immune to Earthquake and Toxic and can set up Spikes or Whirlwind Gliscor out. Bronzong, although less common, is also immune to both moves, but cares even less about Taunt. All of these Pokemon are also more than capable of PP stalling Gliscor as well if necessary.</p>

<p>A number of other things also resist the combination of Toxic and Earthquake, although they rarely if ever show up in Ubers. Crobat, Gengar, opposing Gliscor and Magic Mirror Bounce Xatu can halt Gliscor do so without the need for items, while any Poison- or Steel-type with Balloon, most notably Excadrill and Heatran, also takes no damage switch in with impunity. Anything faster with Taunt or Substitutes that aren't broken by Earthquake can also be a problem for this set, although Toxic Spikes support can mitigate this issue somewhat.</p>[/QUOTE]

biggest thing to note: 'you' should always refer to the battler and not the pokemon

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Thanks for the thurough check Fate. Some of your changes are fairly nitpicky but they do improve the overall quality of the work.
 
More nitpicking, Overview:

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<p>Respectable bulk, few weaknesses, resistances to Fighting and Bug, and key immunities to grounded entry hazards, status, and Ground- and Electric-type moves provide Gliscor with ample opportunity opportunities to come in, (comma) and set up a Substitute, threatening and proceed to threaten opponents with STAB Ground moves from a very usable Speed stat. Poison Heal and Protect provide excellent passive recovery. As one of the premier Groudon counters in the game, Gliscor can also contribute excellently to a defensive core if necessary. Unfortunately, it is very weak on the special side, so in some scenarios Gliscor can turn out to be completely dead(backspace)weight. However, if you play to Gliscor's strengths, it will prove to be a marvelous asset to your team.</p>
 
It threatens opponents with Earthquake both before and after getting the sub, so I disagree with some of your nitpicks. The others will be addressed.
 
The way you had it before also implied that Gliscor will threaten the opponent after it's behind a Sub. The way that I worded it was only more correct.
 
<p>A number of other things also resist the combination of Toxic and Earthquake, although they rarely if ever show up in Ubers. Crobat, Gengar, opposing Gliscor and Magic Bounce Xatu can halt Gliscor without the need for items, while any Poison- or Steel-type with Balloon, most notably Excadrill and Heatran, can switch in with impunity. Anything faster with Taunt or Substitutes that aren't broken by Earthquake can also be a problem for this set, although Toxic Spikes support can mitigate this issue somewhat.</p>

Did Skarmory die or something? Weezing is also unaffected by Earthquake and Toxic.
 
@ Oglemi: No such implication was made. In fact, I had worded it that way in part to signify that the STAB Earthquake was one of the ways in which it acquired the free sub. I am not changing it.

@Saladbagle: I didn't mention Skarmory because it was covered in the first paragraph. Notice how I say "other" things because I had already mentioned both Bronzong and Skarmory. You are correct that Weezing should be added though.
 
Anachronism, the sentence you had before was:

"...provide Gliscor with ample [opportunities] to come in and set up a Substitute, threatening opponents with STAB Ground moves from a very usable Speed stat."

If you don't want to imply that Gliscor will threaten opponents from behind a Sub, then the sentence has to read:

"...provide Gliscor with ample opportunities to come in and set up a Substitute, or just threaten opponents with STAB Ground moves from its very usable Speed stat."

Trust me, I'm on the GP team for a reason, and I'm in college. I think I know what I'm talking about.
 
I am not on the GP team, but I am an English major, and Anachronism's sentence does (to me) imply that Gliscor will be threatening opponents from behind the subsitute, while Oglemi's version implies that it will do one or the other, but not both at the same time.
 
Small nitpick, maybe you should add somewhere in the title that it's an Uber set. Great work :)
 
I suggest picking Hyper Cutter as his ability over Toxic Heal on Sword Dance sets.
While TH also protects you from W-o-W Hyper Cutter helps against Intimidate users aswell.
 
@ Oglemi, you misunderstand what I want to imply. I want people to recognize that it can threaten the opposing pokemon with EQ before or after getting the sub, but when you word it as "and then proceed to..." as you did the first time then it takes on an entirely different meaning. With this phrasing it appears that Gliscor can only threaten with EQ while behind a sub, which is not necessarily the case. EQ is both a way of acquiring and utilizing the Substitute. I share your credentials as a college student, so that is meaningless in this argument. I respect your input as a moderator and GP member, but it is ultimately my article and I conveyed it as I did for a purpose.
 
I changed it to Oglemi's version because it sounds clearer. Besides, its just a few words that are different, no big deal.

Anachronism, I get that you are the author, but Oglemi is a good GPer and he knows what he's talking about.

Anyways this should be finished now!
 
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