Gourgeist-H

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Overview
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  • Bulky spinblocker who can wall a variety of threats
  • Has both common weaknesses and common resistances
  • Faces competition from Trevenant who has the same typing but has Harvest + Sitrus Berry, a better Grass STAB and a higher attack stat
  • But Gourgeist-H's superior defensive stats ensure it isn't outclassed
  • Overall, Gourgeist-H is sure to give quite the scare (pun not intended) to many pokemon


Physically Defensive
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name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Will-O-Wisp
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Seed Bomb
move 4: Protect / Shadow Sneak
ability: Frisk
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe

Moves
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  • Will-O-Wisp - Cripples Physical attackers, making their attacks' damage even more pitiful
  • Leech Seed - Great for restoring HP and wearing down foes
  • Seed Bomb - Reliable STAB
  • Protect - Scouting, free Leftovers and Leech Seed recovery plus free damage from Will-O-Wisp and Leech Seed
  • Shadow Sneak - Decent priority move for frail pokemon weak to it such as Gengar and Alakazam

Set Details
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  • Leftovers - Restores HP, making it more difficult to take down
  • Max Def - Maximizes best stat. SpD isn't as good and most attacks it is weak to are Special (Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Shadow Ball, etc)
  • Frisk - Helps to scout what moveset the opposing pokemon is using so you can deal with it accordingly

Usage Tips
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  • Physical Wall - bring it in on pokemon such as Azumarill, Scizor, Excadrill, etc
  • Spin Blocker - Blocks rapid spin, but be careful when switching in on Mega Blastoise or Starmie because they can take it out with Dark Pulse or Ice Beam, respectively.

Team Options
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  • Specially Defensive wall such as Blissey or Goodra
  • Wish Support since no reliable recovery
  • Pokemon that appreciate the crippling of physical attackers that check it (Latias, Rotom-W, etc)


Other Options
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  • Destiny Bond, SubDisable or Pain Split - All good moves but Gourgeist-H is too slow to utilize them
  • Worry Seed - Can cripple Ability-reliant pokemon temporarily but it has better things to run
  • Phantom Force - Powerful STAB, but it is a 2 turn attack, giving many pokemon free switch-ins
  • Trick Room - Gourgeist is a great user for Trick Room thanks to its poor speed and excellent bulk. If this is used, a Relaxed Nature and 0 Speed IVs is recommended
  • Fire Blast - 2HKOs Ferrothorn and Scizor but that's about it. If used a Relaxed nature is optimal.
  • Insomnia - simply not as good as Frisk because it is already immune to Spore and Sleep Powder, however, since some Smeargle variants use Dark Void instead of Spore, its not completely useless.

Checks & Counters
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  • Special Attackers with SE attacks
  • Ex: Genesect, Greninja, Heatran, Rotom-H, Volcarona, etc
  • Not invincible physically - Talonflame and others can muscle through it
  • Clefable takes nothing from anything Gourgeist throws at it and can 3HKO with Moonblast
  • Gengar and Alakazam work too but they fear Shadow Sneak
 
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- Sub + Pain Split is worthy for a set IMO but I'll leave that up to QC. It makes it unique from Trevenant still and it can be extremely annoying to face.
- Mention Insomnia in OO since it can block Smeargle that opt for Dark Void to bypass Grass-types or lolHypnosis. Though mention that due to the Grass-types not being prone to Spore and Sleep Powder it is inferior to Frisk.
- Really minor but just mention that it learns Flame Charge. I would only use it to beat up Scizor / Ferrothorn anyway but otherwise it's crap. So OO at best.
- Also someone test out Sub+Disable if possible. Though Gourgeist-S might be better due to its higher Speed the extra bulk is great. That, and being able to possibly remove Pursuit before Gourgeist switches out is huge (pun intended).
 
Personally I think Gourgeist is too slow for Pain Split or Disable and those sets are done better by Gengar or something but I'll leave that to QC. I will add the other things though, thanks.
 
Yeah Gourgeist-H is too slow for Pain Split and has a too big HP stat. Same goes for Sub, as Gourgeist-H can't take advantage of it like Gourgeist-S can, as most Pokemon that would want to status it are faster (Rotom-W, Scald users in general).
 
If you're mentioning Flame Charge solely for Scizor and friends, then this is deserving of a mention as well:

  • Scizor:
  • 0 Atk Gourgeist-Super Flame Charge vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 148-176 (43.1 - 51.3%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO
  • 0- SpA (Impish) Gourgeist-Super Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 224-264 (65.3 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 0- SpA (Impish) Gourgeist-Super Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 180-216 (52.4 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 0 SpA (Relaxed) Gourgeist-Super Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 248-292 (71.1 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 0 SpA (Relaxed) Gourgeist-Super Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 204-240 (59.4 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • Ferrothorn:
  • 0 Atk Gourgeist-Super Flame Charge vs. 252 HP / 208+ Def Ferrothorn: 88-108 (25 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
  • 0- SpA (Impish) Gourgeist-Super Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 48 SpD Ferrothorn: 156-184 (44.3 - 52.2%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO
  • 0- SpA (Impish) Gourgeist-Super Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 48 SpD Ferrothorn: 128-152 (36.3 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  • 0 SpA (Relaxed) Gourgeist-Super Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 48 SpD Ferrothorn: 176-208 (50 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • 0 SpA (Relaxed) Gourgeist-Super Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 48 SpD Ferrothorn: 144-172 (40.9 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
No matter which way you slice it, Flamethrower / Fire Blast is always superior to puny Flame Charge, unless you either are investing in Attack, or intend on using the Speed boost. So if Flame Charge is getting mentioned, Flamethrower and Fire Blast need to be as well.
 
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Yeah do that. I almost forgot that it learned Fire Blast and Flamethrower.

Your counters list is pretty weak. Counters would include Heatran, Charizard-X and Charizard-Y, Arcanine (though why are people using Arcanine), and to an extent Rotom-H. All of these Pokemon can freely switch into Will-O-Wisp or Seed Bomb and easily punish Gourgeist. I would still mention that Scizor can harass Gourgeist but it has to be wary of switching into Will-O-Wisp. STAB U-turn and Pursuit will make Gourgeist think twice on its next course of action. Clefable can really fuck with Gourgeist, too. With Magic Guard it is completely immune to Leech Seed and Will-O-Wisp. Seed Bomb does crap to it (4 Atk Gourgeist-Super Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 76-91 (19.2 - 23%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery) while STAB Moonblast will 3HKO max HP / 0 SpD Gourgeist-H (4 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gourgeist-Super: 126-148 (33.6 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery). Moltres also counters this thing pretty well as does Talonflame (Talonflame hates Leech Seed). Also forgot Volcarona though Leech Seed sucks.
 
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I've always felt that running simply 252/252+ Impish on such a bulky Pokemon with access to Will-o-Wisp is wasting EVs. So i spent some time on the calculator and came up with the most efficient spread yet:

252/72+/184

So by running this spread, Gourgeist can still switch into the physical threats it has business switching in on while taking advantage of his special resistances and being able to deal with a wider range of spinners. In fact, a lot of the physical threats that seem to get the jump on this spread would still beat 252/252+ Gourgeist (such as CB Play Rough from Azumarril, max attack Tyranitar, and CB Talonflame)

With this spread and Lefties, Gourgeist still only fears a 19.3% chance of a 3HKO from max Attack Excadrill's Shadow Claw (and still takes a pittance from everything else). This spread is also not 2HKOed by nonCB Azumarill Play Rough, while being faster than min speed Azu. It is also worth mentioning that -Spd Tyranitar is also outsped and 4 Atk Tyranitar will not 2HKO with Crunch.
Max Atk Scizor's Pursuit while switching out is still only a 3HKO, and the rest of its moves do even less!
ScarfChomp will not 2HKO with Outrage, and LO Jolly Chomp doesnt 2HKO with the combination of EQ and Outrage (allowing it to be burnt after switching in on it).
Even +2 252+ Mega Lucario's Crunch fails to OHKO.

But this spread also avoids the 2HKO from non-LO 252 SAtk Starmie's Ice Beam, isnt that neat? Bulky Starmie will not 2HKO even with Stealth Rock damage, while 0 Atk Gourgeist 2HKOs all common Starmies with the combination of Seed Bomb and Shadow Sneak.
0 SAtk Tentacruel can barely dish out a 4HKO with Ice Beam.
Max SAtk Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb doesnt 2HKO. Granted Gourgeist cant do much except burn it in return, still, it doesnt have Leftovers so the effort is appreciated (being immune to Sleep Powder and Leech Seed certainly helps its case).
Jolly 252 Atk LO Infernape's Flare Blitz has only a very low chance to OHKO and 4 Satk LO Fire Blast only has a 25% chance to do so.
Standard LO Latias fails to 2HKO with Dragon Pulse.
Sash Alakazam fails to 2HKO with Psychic or the combination of Psyshock and Shadow Ball (while Gourgeist does upwards of 70% with Shadow Sneak)
MAX SATK MEGA BLASTOISE FAILS TO OHKO WITH A 240 BP DARK PULSE. (Seed Bomb + Shadow Sneak do over half to it in return).
If this isn't just utter bulk then I don't know what is.
 
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Colonel M

Please correct me if I'm incorrect (or horrendously unlucky), but Gourgeist's HA is exclusive to the average sized ones, because Pumpkaboo's average size is the only kind that will appear in the Friend Safari.

Due to this game's breeding mechanics ya can't give its HA to a different-sized Pokemon because it'll always be the same size as the mother (or father if its partner is Ditto).
 
BlakDragon said:
Colonel M

Please correct me if I'm incorrect (or horrendously unlucky), but Gourgeist's HA is exclusive to the average sized ones, because Pumpkaboo's average size is the only kind that will appear in the Friend Safari.

Due to this game's breeding mechanics ya can't give its HA to a different-sized Pokemon because it'll always be the same size as the mother (or father if its partner is Ditto).
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Maybe if you put in the daycare a Male HA Pumpkaboo & a Female Pumpkaboo (which is of the size you want, so Small/Large/Huge), you'll have a small percentage of passing down Insomnia on a non-Average Pumpkaboo :)
 
Also when paired with a female of the same specie :)

I took a Male HA Swinub thanks to the GTS, and with a Female Non-HA Piloswine I had a couple of HA Swinubs :)
 
I think it's a foolish action wasting Gourgeist-H, because 100 Atk and such a pitiful Speed scream for a Trick Room set. Or for an Attacking Set.

BUT, if you wanna focus on targets that are utopias, well... Let your Squashes be smashed with pain.

Imma out, I can no longer bear it.
Smogon is the den of stupid people who can think to brutalize users just because they're "Mods"... I think you all moderators are MUD.

until next time, see ya.
 
Steel-Claw-Kingler said:
I think it's a foolish action wasting Gourgeist-H, because 100 Atk and such a pitiful Speed scream for a Trick Room set. Or for an Attacking Set.

BUT, if you wanna focus on targets that are utopias, well... Let your Squashes be smashed with pain.

Imma out, I can no longer bear it.
Smogon is the den of stupid people who can think to brutalize users just because they're "Mods"... I think you all moderators are MUD.

until next time, see ya.
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100 Atk, no way to boost Attack and a pitiful offensive movepool is not nearly enough to abuse Trick Room. Gourgeist is a defensive spinblocker/pivot, not really an attacker. You don't know what you're talking about.

"MOD" sounds like "MUD" haha what a knee-slapper!
And then apparently we're (Smogon members in general, not claiming to be a mod) the stupid ones o.o
 
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Steel-Claw-Kingler said:
I think it's a foolish action wasting Gourgeist-H, because 100 Atk and such a pitiful Speed scream for a Trick Room set. Or for an Attacking Set.

BUT, if you wanna focus on targets that are utopias, well... Let your Squashes be smashed with pain.

Imma out, I can no longer bear it.
Smogon is the den of stupid people who can think to brutalize users just because they're "Mods"... I think you all moderators are MUD.

until next time, see ya.
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Okay then. Don't let the door. ..
 
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