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Pokémon Gourgeist

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Whats a good set for calm nature gourgeist average size? (I have a shiny one)

Lvl 35
Attack - 61
Defense -100
Sp.Atk - 48
Sp.Def - 67
Speed - 68
Ability: Frisk

Would love for someone to help i would like to use this in wifi
I haven't EV trained it yet either, so tell me what to train it in!
 
thejay104 said:
Whats a good set for calm nature gourgeist average size? (I have a shiny one)

Lvl 35
Attack - 61
Defense -100
Sp.Atk - 48
Sp.Def - 67
Speed - 68
Ability: Frisk

Would love for someone to help i would like to use this in wifi
I haven't EV trained it yet either, so tell me what to train it in!
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Ha I have a shiny average one too. I couldn't NOT use my shiny one--I went with 252 hp and 252 SpD and 4 Spe, but I wouldn't say no to taking advantage of the better speed on that one. Your nature is better than mine too (I got a neutral-all nature -_-). I use Leech Seed WoW Phantom Force and Seed bomb. For wifi Phantom force, while gimmicky, does the job--and is nice for stalling extra turns. You could opt to move all the SpD to Spe and spam substitute to stall all day long. Whatever floats your Gogoat man.
 
I run an average size one because I also run sticky web support. I went 252 HP/252 Sp Def/4 Def SubSeed/WoW/Shadow Sneak. Been very reliable. Only times she's failed me is from user error.
 
Is there a way to tell the size differences in-game (like from the stats screen)?
The changes are too minuscule to notice and I'm not entirely sure if I'm breeding an average one or a small one >_<
 
Count Serperior said:
Is there a way to tell the size differences in-game (like from the stats screen)?
The changes are too minuscule to notice and I'm not entirely sure if I'm breeding an average one or a small one >_<
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Well besides just by eye, you can tell the Super Size from the Large, because Super size has a different cry. Telling apart average from small, well you can use your pokedex and just stare at the different sizes to figure it out.
 
El Coqui said:
LeechSeed > PainSplit (albiet watch for grasstypes).

Run MaxHP and MaxSpdef (my opinion). When you can take a scarfed Chomps outrage 46%dmg with 0defense EVs you know you are good. If you are paranoiaed then run 200hp/56def/252spdef so you have at least def evs
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Can you explain more on how and why LeechSeed > PainSplit?
 
Leech Seed allows Gourgeist to sap health from opponents, and the residual damage can stack greatly alongside Will-O-Wisp (25% damage per turn! That's like Curse, except you weaken physical attackers, the burn can't be switched out of and you actually heal instead of half killing yourself!). That said, neither Leech Seed nor Pain Split are very reliable methods of healing, but Gourgeist will have to take what it can get :P
 
Zé Capáu said:
How about Flame Charge? It's physical and it may help Super-Size Form on raising its awful speed.
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Shroomisaur said:
I already addressed Flame Charge in a previous post. It's 50 power non-STAB and does pitiful damage even though Gourgeist's attack is much higher:

0 Atk (custom) Flame Charge vs. 252 HP / 48+ Def Ferrothorn: 104-124 (29.54 - 35.22%) -- possible 4HKO
0 SpA (custom) Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 208 SpD Ferrothorn: 152-180 (43.18 - 51.13%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Also Super Size Gourgeist is so slow that it would take 2-3 boosts to actually outspeed things. No opponent is going to give you that many free turns... on top of that, there's no reason to boost your speed if you're using Shadow Sneak since it has priority anyway. The only other physical options Gourgeist has are Seed Bomb and Phantom Force, which is awful since it locks you in. So unfortunately, without a better physical movepool, Gourgeist should focus on being a team player rather than trying to boost with Flame Charge.
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DaiGuren said:
Can you explain more on how and why LeechSeed > PainSplit?
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Once you drop the seed it becomes passive until the pokemon is dead or switches out. Pain Split you have to actually use in place of another move each time you want health. Yeah seed can get blocked by grass types but having the passive seed+lefties IMO is better
 
Aww c'mon! Of course you are comparing about the best walls in the game! But think about other pokemon that are immune to ShadowSneak or that resists its STABs. (You know that FireBlast is worthless if the opponent is not going to use those top tier walls that you have mentioned)
 
Ive been using Gourgeist in Pokebank OU ladder on PS with good success. Specifically, Ive been using him as a physical tank to complement Tyranitar as a special tank. They cover most of each others weaknesses and work together really well. My Tyranitar is using Assault Vest for insane SpAtk while ny Gourgeist set is:

Gourgeist-S Leftovers
Frisk, Impish
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Seed Bomb
 
But Pain split is instantaneous? I mean, I know Gourgeist is a great tank and all but he can't take hits as well as Ferrothorn can. My Gourgeist takes 40% dmg from an unboosted Ice Beam from Adamant Greninja with Protean, I'd imagine that Gourgeist would take a lot more damage from physical attackers or boosted special attacks, so wouldn't pain split be better?

Case in my experience, Gourgeist tanked a Shadow ball from Mega Gengar(and actually lived), was left with 5% hp so I was able to use Pain Split, halve both our HP, then I used shadow sneak to bring him down to 25%ish with shadow sneak before Gourgeist dies.
 
Life Draining Zombie Pumkin

Gourgeist-Super Leftovers
Frisk, Impish
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- subtitute
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- FIre Blast/flamethrower

I ran a set with carefull and shadow sneak myself but this seem better.

This set did wonders for me. Gourgeist can take loads of hit, and with leech seed and SubProtect, it can easily get it's hp up, and opponents HP down even when nearly fainted. Fire attack filler for grasses it can't seed, and those grasses mostl van't take down gourgeist either. I ran shadows neak before, but this just seem superior. As support i had jellicent for Will-O-Wispes and toxic spikes for more stall damage.
 
Wazzup360 said:
Life Draining Zombie Pumkin

Gourgeist-Super Leftovers
Frisk, Impish
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- subtitute
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- FIre Blast/flamethrower

I ran a set with carefull and shadow sneak myself but this seem better.

This set did wonders for me. Gourgeist can take loads of hit, and with leech seed and SubProtect, it can easily get it's hp up, and opponents HP down even when nearly fainted. Fire attack filler for grasses it can't seed, and those grasses mostl van't take down gourgeist either. I ran shadows neak before, but this just seem superior. As support i had jellicent for Will-O-Wispes and toxic spikes for more stall damage.
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Then why Impish, dumbass!
 
Happy Halloween!!!!
Quad Super Size Brave Pumpkaboos are for Trade!!! :D
Ability: Frisk,
They come Trick Room Ready!

31/31/31/x/x/(low) Male: 4 , Female: 2
31/31/x/x/31/(low) Male: 3 , Female: 1
31/x/31/x/31/(low) Male: 1 , Female: 1
x/31/31/x/31/(low) Male: 1, Female: 1

By the way for added flavor they are in Dusk Balls!

Put this here just because thought people might be interested in it.
If its against forum rules I will remove it, please inform me.
 
Thorhammer said:
I think you mean something more along the lines of the following:
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I'm glad there are a few people here to keep the thread civil and on track while I'm at work.

This isn't the place for one-liners or simple questions, please keep up the thread up to competitive discussion about our favorite Halloween mascot!

Aoi said:
Happy Halloween!!!!
-snip-
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Yes, this is the perfect day to celebrate Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist, and those are some nice looking Pumpkaboos! But if you're interested in trading the Wifi forum is probably where you should look to trade.

Punchshroom said:
Leech Seed allows Gourgeist to sap health from opponents, and the residual damage can stack greatly alongside Will-O-Wisp (25% damage per turn! That's like Curse, except you weaken physical attackers, the burn can't be switched out of and you actually heal instead of half killing yourself!). That said, neither Leech Seed nor Pain Split are very reliable methods of healing, but Gourgeist will have to take what it can get :P
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I have to agree with this, Leech Seed is a great tool on any Grass-type, and Gourgeist in particular. That passive damage really racks up, and Small Gourgeist can easily abuse subseeding. Leech Seed also helps when switching out to a resist. Having ~10% of your switch-in's HP restored really helps to cushion hits and hazard damage.

Let's talk teammates for Gourgeist. Some of the best partners for Gourgeist right now are Greninja, who has great type synergy with our pumpkin friend, and can even set up Spikes while Gourgeist spinblocks. I've found that Tyranitar makes an excellent partner too. Specially defensive Tar can easily handle the special attacks that Gourgeist hates, and can set up SR for the team as well. Gourgeist does a great job covering TTar's physical weaknesses too: immunity to Fighting, and resisting Ground, Water, and Grass.
 
Shroomisaur said:
Yes, this is the perfect day to celebrate Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist, and those are some nice looking Pumpkaboos! But if you're interested in trading the Wifi forum is probably where you should look to trade.
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Yeah I put it there to, In your opinion, do you think Small or Super Size Pumpkaboo would do better competitively? I am also having a hard time really telling the difference between average size and small size, at least super size had a different cry to tell it apart.
 
I wonder why waste its Physical side (100 Atk) by using its Special side (58 SpA... cuz of a nerfed FireBlast)? Then... why not a FB Bastiodon/Snorlax/Kangaskhan?

(BONK!)
 
For anyone planning on using Gourgeist-Super in OU, I'd say that running enough speed for CB Scizor is worth it. That way, he becomes a great counter to Rotom-W - Scizor Voltturn cores, and in addition, he doesn't instantly lose to U-Turn Landorus-I, who is a pretty common supplement to that core.
 
Aoi said:
Yeah I put it there to, In your opinion, do you think Small or Super Size Pumpkaboo would do better competitively? I am also having a hard time really telling the difference between average size and small size, at least super size had a different cry to tell it apart.
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I had trouble when I was catching all different sizes as well, but Small size is noticably smaller - once you get used to it, you won't have trouble. As for the most competitively viable form, I think it depends on what you're looking for. Small Gourgeist has a faster WoW and is a better subseeder, but Super Size has significantly better bulk overall and is a great physical tank.
Super Mario Bro said:
For anyone planning on using Gourgeist-Super in OU, I'd say that running enough speed for CB Scizor is worth it. That way, he becomes a great counter to Rotom-W - Scizor Voltturn cores, and in addition, he doesn't instantly lose to U-Turn Landorus-I, who is a pretty common supplement to that core.
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Although Lando's obviously not released yet, I agree that outspeeding Zor is a good idea for Super Size. Being able to land that WoW before it U-Turns away is a huge plus at the cost 92 EVs to beat 0 Spe Zor.
 
Shroomisaur

My core right now includes Gourgeist, Heatran and resttalk MegaGyarados for thr F/W/G and they're doing really great, especially in the hands of a noob like me.

If anybody's interested I can expand on it more.
 
DaiGuren said:
Shroomisaur

My core right now includes Gourgeist, Heatran and resttalk MegaGyarados for thr F/W/G and they're doing really great, especially in the hands of a noob like me.

If anybody's interested I can expand on it more.
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Which size Gourgeist? and what do you think could replace heatran on that team? Trying build a good team with the pokemon available so far in 6th gen.
 
Wouldn't blissey be a great ally to gourgeist? She'd be able to take ANY special attack and more easily, and gourgeist could take the physical attacks that blissey wouldn't like. :3
 
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