BH Groudon Re-Write [GP 1/1]

[Tea Guzzler]

[SET]
name: Setup Attacker
move 1: Victory Dance / Tidy Up
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Strength Sap
item: Earth Plate / Heavy-Duty Boots / Rocky Helmet
ability: Fur Coat / Mold Breaker
nature: Adamant / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
tera type: Ground

[SET COMMENTS]
Groudon's base stats and STAB on Precipice Blades make it a premier choice for a bulky attacker. Fur Coat allows Groudon to wall many common threats, such as Slaking and opposing Groudon, while Mold Breaker ignores Fur Coat and Levitate on walls like Eternatus, Arceus-Ghost, and Zamazenta-C. Victory Dance lets it reliably set up on opposing physical attackers like Groudon and Slaking, whereas Tidy Up removes entry hazards and makes it harder for Imposter users to safely switch in thanks to the lack of a Defense boost. Toxic heavily cripples Precipice Blades switch-ins like Arceus formes and Dondozo, and it works especially well with Mold Breaker, which lets Groudon bait and punish Prankster users. Alternatively, Knock Off removes Heavy-Duty Boots, Leftovers, and Ability Shield from bulkier targets like Dondozo, Slaking, Eternatus, and opposing Groudon. Earth Plate boosts Precipice Blades's damage, whereas Heavy-Duty Boots leaves Groudon less susceptible to chip damage from Spikes, and Rocky Helmet provides extra security against Population Bomb users like Slaking and Ursaluna. Groudon's best fit is on balance and offense teams that want to compress a bulky attacker, non-passive wall, and possibly an entry hazard remover into a single teamslot. Teammates like Dondozo and Eternatus are recommended to shore up Groudon's weakness to Palafin-H, with the latter also helping out against Solar Beam Arceus-Fire. Use Corviknight to Imposter-proof Toxic and Mold Breaker Groudon variants, and a Fur Coat user that doesn't mind Knock Off for other variants.

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- Written by: [[Tea Guzzler, 577920]]
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[SET]
name: Setup Attacker
move 1: Victory Dance / Tidy Up
move 2: Precipice Blades Slash EQ?
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Strength Sap
item: Earth Plate / Heavy-Duty Boots Mention helmet good for pop bomb
ability: Fur Coat / Mold Breaker
nature: Adamant / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
tera type: Ground Tera type?

[SET COMMENTS]
Groudon's Base Stats and Ground-type make it a premier choice for a setup attacker Idt Fur Coat is primarily a setup attacker, also its not intuitive why Ground-type makes it premier choice. Fur Coat allows Groudon to wall many common threats, such as Slaking and opposing Groudon, while Mold Breaker ignores Fur Coat and Levitate on walls like Eternatus, Arceus-Ghost, and Zamazenta-C. Victory Dance allows Groudon to reliably set up on opposing physical attackers like Groudon and Slaking, whereas Tidy Up removes entry hazards and makes it harder for Imposter users to safely switch in. Toxic heavily cripples Precipice Blades switch-ins like Moltres Moltres in meta? maybe mention some other FC guy and Dondozo, and it works especially well with Mold Breaker to bait and punish Prankster users. Alternatively, Knock Off removes Heavy-Duty Boots, Leftovers, and Ability Shield from bulkier targets like Dondozo, Slaking, and Eternatus. Earth Plate boosts Precipice Blades's damage whereas Heavy-Duty Boots leaves Groudon less succeptible to Ceaseless Edge's chip damage Not Cedge but Spikes. Groudon's best fit is on balance and offense teams that want to compress a bulky attacker, bulky wall, and possibly entry hazard remover into a single slot. Teammates like Dondozo and Eternatus are recommended to shore up Groudon's weakness to Palafin-H with the latter also helping out against Solar Beam Arceus-Fire. Imposter-proof Toxic variants with Corviknight and Knock Off variants with a bulky Flying-type like Corviknight or Arceus-Flying Ok so the issue here is that you only suggested a C at best mon as the improof.

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[Tea Guzzler]

implemented, ty!
- tera ground is intentional, blades damage is important and +1 moldy plate OHKOes arc
- reworded improof to be "moldy or toxic needs corv, otherwise a FC arc"

 

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[SET]
name: Setup Attacker
move 1: Victory Dance / Tidy Up
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Strength Sap
item: Earth Plate / Heavy-Duty Boots / Rocky Helmet
ability: Fur Coat / Mold Breaker ice scales could be an option as a potential Miraidon check, but not necessary
nature: Adamant / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
tera type: Ground

[SET COMMENTS]
Groudon's Base Stats and Ground STAB make it a premier choice for a bulky attacker. Fur Coat allows Groudon to wall many common threats, such as Slaking and opposing Groudon, while Mold Breaker ignores Fur Coat and Levitate on walls like Eternatus, Arceus-Ghost, and Zamazenta-C. Victory Dance allows Groudon to reliably set up on opposing physical attackers like Groudon and Slaking, whereas Tidy Up removes entry hazards and makes it harder for Imposter users to safely switch in I don't think it makes it harder for imposter users to switch in because it removes hazards for them, however in theory it can. Toxic heavily cripples Precipice Blades switch-ins like Arceus formes and Dondozo, and it works especially well with Mold Breaker to bait and punish Prankster users. Alternatively, Knock Off removes Heavy-Duty Boots, Leftovers, and Ability Shield from bulkier targets like Dondozo, Slaking, Groudon, feel like groudon here is more accurate because fc groudon will switch into groudon more than slaking, but the change isn't mandatory and Eternatus. Earth Plate boosts Precipice Blades's damage whereas Heavy-Duty Boots leaves Groudon less succeptible to chip damage from Spikes; instead, Rocky Helmet provides extra security against Population Bomb users like Slaking and Ursaluna. Groudon's best fit is on balance and offense teams that want to compress a bulky attacker, bulky wall, and possibly entry hazard remover into a single slot. Teammates like Dondozo and Eternatus are recommended to shore up Groudon's weakness to Palafin-H with the latter also helping out against Solar Beam Arceus-Fire. Imposter-proof Toxic and Mold Breaker variants with Corviknight, and other variants with a Fur Coat user that doesn't mind Knock Off.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Tea Guzzler, 577920]]
- Quality checked by: [[Chessking345, 355040], [TTTech, 338877]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

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[Tea Guzzler]

epic spoiler fail
- opted to drop scales because in current meta i just think the bulk is not sufficient. mirai still 2HKOes, palkia sends you to the sun, pixiburst spammers can 2HKO with tera or spikes.
- with tidy up, imp switches in and takes spikes before they get cleared by tidy. the whole point of the mention is basically saying "if you use tidy up then imp doesn't get a def boost so you hit them harder"
- don't really understand the slaking bit. fc don is less bulky and don does not run moves that either are weak to. mentioned both instead
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[Adeleine]

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[SET]
name: Setup Attacker
move 1: Victory Dance / Tidy Up
move 2: Precipice Blades
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Strength Sap
item: Earth Plate / Heavy-Duty Boots / Rocky Helmet
ability: Fur Coat / Mold Breaker
nature: Adamant / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
tera type: Ground

[SET COMMENTS]
Groudon's Base Stats and Ground STAB base stats and STAB on Precipice Blades make it a premier choice for a bulky attacker. Fur Coat allows Groudon to wall many common threats, such as Slaking and opposing Groudon, while Mold Breaker ignores Fur Coat and Levitate on walls like Eternatus, Arceus-Ghost, and Zamazenta-C. Victory Dance allows Groudon to lets it reliably set up on opposing physical attackers like Groudon and Slaking, whereas Tidy Up removes entry hazards and makes it harder for Imposter users to safely switch in: the Speed boost ensures Groudon outspeeds or Speed ties them, depending on their item. (I imagine this mostly checks out? if choice scarf imposter is more or less important than I imply, feel free to put "Speed ties" before "outspeeds", remove it entirely, or whatever else) Toxic heavily cripples Precipice Blades switch-ins like Arceus formes and Dondozo, and it works especially well with Mold Breaker to bait Breaker, which lets Groudon bait in (so long as I'm correct that mold breaker is what actually baits them in) and punish Prankster users. Alternatively, Knock Off removes Heavy-Duty Boots, Leftovers, and Ability Shield from bulkier targets like Dondozo, Slaking, Eternatus, and oppising opposing Groudon. Earth Plate boosts Precipice Blades's damage, (AC) whereas Heavy-Duty Boots leaves Groudon less succeptible susceptible to chip damage from Spikes; instead, Spikes, and Rocky Helmet provides extra security against Population Bomb users like Slaking and Ursaluna. Groudon's best fit is on balance and offense teams that want to compress a bulky attacker, bulky a wall, (optional alternative options: "an offensive wall" "a non-passive wall" "a tank") and possibly an entry hazard remover into a single teamslot. Teammates like Dondozo and Eternatus are recommended to shore up Groudon's weakness to Palafin-H, (AC) with the latter also helping out against Solar Beam Arceus-Fire, (changed period to comma) Imposter-proof Toxic and + Toxic or Mold Breaker variants Arceus-Fire paired with Corviknight, and other Arceus-Fire variants paired with a Fur Coat user that doesn't mind Knock Off.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Tea Guzzler, 577920]]
- Quality checked by: [[Chessking345, 355040], [username2, userid2]] (fill this)
- Grammar checked by: [[Adeleine, 517429]]

GP Team done
your last sentences were a bit unclear-if the changes I made were wrong or otherwise not ideal, pls correct them however is appropriate

 

[Tea Guzzler]

implemented, ty
- left out scarf imposter mention because it has not been relevant in BH for close on 4 years now
- i think you've completely misunderstood the last sentence. the variants in question are groudon's sets (corviknight is necessary if the set has toxic, mold breaker, or both)

 

[Adeleine]

4 years. goddamn. lol

but can you keep "the Speed boost ensures Groudon outspeeds them." or something like that to facilitate things for ppl not used to imposter interactions

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"Use Corviknight to Imposter-proof Toxic and Mold Breaker Groudon variants, and a Fur Coat user that doesn't mind Knock Off for other variants." for the last, i think this is considerably more clear in structure

 

[Tea Guzzler]

implemented these, specified that tidy up not increasing defense is what makes it better into imposter as both options raise speed

 

[UT]

Uploaded!

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/groudon/