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Ubers Groudon

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Manaphy

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[OVERVIEW]

At first glance, Groudon may not seem to have what it takes to be a defining force in Ubers. However, it's one of the best wallbreakers and sweepers in the whole tier. With its signature move, Precipice Blades, and excellent Attack, offensive Groudon sets can even stop Zygarde from transforming into Zygarde-C through pure force. Defensively, Groudon's typing and excellent physical bulk let it check physical threats such as Zekrom. Good bulk, an immunity to Thunder Wave, and several boosting options in Rock Polish, Bulk Up, and Swords Dance allow Groudon to decimate many common defensive cores, and these traits give it an easy time setting up on common Pokemon such as Necrozma-DM. Groudon does have trouble getting past the few checks it does have, although even these can be dealt with with the right coverage move. Groudon's main flaws are that its attacks often have low accuracy and it has no reliable recovery, meaning it can be worn down over time by status, Knock Off, and repeated attacks; additionally, if it lacks Rock Polish, Groudon is slow and prone to being picked off by faster threats such as Calyrex-S.

[SET]
name: Bulky Booster
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Bulk Up / Swords Dance
move 4: Heat Crash / Toxic / Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set makes use of Groudon's naturally high physical bulk to provide more support for its team, as well as being a terrifying wallbreaker in its own right. Without Rock Polish, Groudon can run another coverage option or a status move to help deal with its normal checks, such as Zarude, Buzzwole, Tangrowth, and Lunala. Bulk Up gives a better matchup against Zygarde than Swords Dance, and it gives Groudon superior physical bulk after boosting. Swords Dance facilitates a more defensive EV spread that gives Groudon more bulk without boosting that can be used to lure in and defeat Foul Play Yveltal and better check physical attackers in a pinch. The last moveslot is very flexible. Heat Crash is a great coverage option to KO Buzzwole, Zarude, Tangrowth, Skarmory, and Corviknight, which would otherwise wall Groudon. Notably, Heat Crash under sun will typically do just as much damage as Precipice Blades will to a neutral target, easing Groudon's accuracy issues. Toxic is useful to break down Lunala and Zygarde over time. Thunder Wave provides nice team support and helps patch up Groudon's low Speed. 240 HP EVs improve Leftovers recovery; Leftovers and higher HP investment give this set more bulk to check Zekrom and other physical attackers, and they prolong Groudon's sweeping potential. Maximum Attack investment ensures Groudon will hit hard as possible after a Bulk Up, being able to OHKO Tangrowth with Heat Crash. 16 Speed EVs work well alongside Thunder Wave or paralysis support to outspeed paralyzed Calyrex-S. Another option is to run a spread of 224 HP / 108 Atk / 160 Def / 16 Spe with an Impish nature; it is preferred for Swords Dance sets, notably giving Groudon the bulk to survive a Foul Play from Yveltal even after it has used Swords Dance. The Attack investment is used to always KO specially defensive Yveltal with Stone Edge.

Other paralysis spreaders like Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh, and Zygarde are good teammates to help make up for Groudon's poor Speed. This Groudon will often inflict status onto or KO Yveltal, so Pokemon that can sweep with Yveltal gone, such as Calyrex-S, are great teammates. If you are running Heat Crash, physical attackers that appreciate Tangrowth or Buzzwole being gone, such as Zekrom and Marshadow, make good partners. Clerics such as Xerneas, Calyrex-S, Blissey, and Clefable will be able to keep Groudon status free, which is especially relevant if Groudon is trying to break through Lunala or Zygarde. This set can struggle to break through defensive Zygarde, so switch-ins to Zygarde such as Lunala, Buzzwole, and Xerneas are great partners.

[SET]
name: Double Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Rock Polish
move 4: Swords Dance
item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 180 HP / 252 Atk / 76 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Precipice Blades and Stone Edge give Groudon great neutral coverage. Rock Polish makes Groudon faster than everything in the metagame bar Choice Scarf Calyrex-S. Swords Dance makes Groudon incredibly strong and gives it the power to break through most physical walls. For example, +2 Life Orb Groudon has an 81.3% chance to OHKO defensive Zygarde, giving it no chance to transform into Zygarde-C. Life Orb gives Groudon great power with or without Swords Dance. However, Lum Berry can be run to better protect Groudon from status such as poison from Eternatus's Toxic Spikes, burn from Lunala's Will-O-Wisp, and paralysis from Zygarde's Glare. Also, the lack of recoil prevents opponents from switching around to get chip damage on it, which can be critical to defeating a damaged Groudon in a pinch. The given EV spread outspeeds uninvested Yveltal and Xerneas.

This set is fairly straightforward to use, and it works well on offensive teams. Groudon will appreciate offensive teammates that can help break down its few checks. Zekrom is fantastic for this, luring in and severely damaging Tangrowth or Buzzwole with Draco Meteor. Marshadow is another good physical partner, as its strong Spectral Thief will take out Lunala. In return, Groudon can KO Zygarde. Xerneas and offensive Eternatus have good synergy with Groudon as well, as Groudon can come in on Necrozma-DM, which they attract in. For hyper offense teams, Froslass and Aerodactyl lay down entry hazards and prevent the opponent from laying their own with Taunt. Grimmsnarl is another fantastic hyper offense partner, switching into Calyrex-S, which may try to revenge kill Groudon, and setting up dual screens, making Groudon terrifyingly hard to KO.

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide / Dragon Tail
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Toxic / Dragon Tail / Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Physically defensive Groudon is one of the best sources of Stealth Rock besides Necrozma-DM in the tier. It also provides a good check to some dangerous setup sweepers such as Zekrom and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. Precipice Blades will still do decent damage generally, even without Attack investment. Stone Edge and Rock Slide are great coverage options, and they notably make the most common Defoggers in the tier, Yveltal and Ho-Oh, very afraid of switching into Groudon. Toxic gives Groudon a decent way of punishing switch-ins such as Zygarde and Yveltal. Dragon Tail can be used to phaze foes and rack up entry hazard damage. It particularly punishes Zygarde nicely. Thunder Wave is another option that can cripple switch-ins, but you need to watch out for Zygarde. 16 Speed EVs are run to outspeed a paralyzed Calyrex-S.

This set’s biggest flaws are its lack of reliable recovery and vulnerability to status. Because of this, you will want to pair it with a cleric like Xerneas or Blissey. Blissey can even provide Thunder Wave support and check Kyogre. Ferrothorn is good to heal Groudon with Leech Seed and provide Spikes support, which helps Dragon Tail sets. Ferrothorn can also switch into Kyogre, which often switches into Groudon. Necrozma-DM has good synergy with this set, as it appreciates Groudon's sun support for Moonlight, and Groudon can provide extra insurance against physical wallbreakers such as Zekrom and Marshadow. This pairing also frees up a moveslot on Necrozma-DM that is normally reserved for Stealth Rock. For example, it could run Knock Off to cripple Ho-Oh, which then cannot use Defog in front of Groudon due to fear of a Rock-type move, thus severely limiting its presence for the rest of the game and keeping Stealth Rock on the field.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Heat Rock can be used if you pair Groudon with Pokemon to take advantage of sun, such as Weather Ball Zekrom and Ho-Oh. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge can be replaced with Earthquake and Rock Slide on all sets for their higher accuracy, but Groudon loses notable wallbreaking power, especially against Zygarde and Yveltal. Rock Slide’s flinch chance can be situationally useful on teams that heavily utilize paralysis. Overheat can be run over Heat Crash, since it will still OHKO Tangrowth and Buzzwole, and it has the advantage of not needing a boost to do so. However, Overheat doesn't offset Groudon's inaccurate attacks like Heat Crash does, and it can be played around should you happen to use it at the wrong time. Rest can be used on defensive sets to have more longevity. Dragon Claw could be used to hit Dragon-types like Giratina-O, but they are sufficiently rare to not make it worth it. Rocky Helmet is a possible item on defensive sets to punish physical attackers, but Groudon needs the recovery from Leftovers much more, since it lacks reliable recovery.

Checks and Counters
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**Lunala**: Lunala can come in on pretty much anything Groudon throws at it and burn Groudon, phaze it, or do massive damage to it with Ice Beam or Moongeist Beam. Lunala doesn’t like status, however.

**Zygarde-C**: Zygarde-C has the bulk to deal with Double Dance Groudon. This pressures Groudon to defeat Zygarde before it transforms. Additionally, Zygarde has the bulk to deal with most bulky Swords Dance Groudon, even before transforming. Against Bulk Up Groudon, defensive Zygarde will typically have the advantage thanks to Coil, Glare, and Rest.

**Landorus-T**: Landorus-T can pivot in on Groudon thanks to Intimidate and its immunity to Precipice Blades. However, Landorus-T has no recovery outside of Leftovers, and it must watch out for being weakened over time.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Zarude resist Ground and are neutral against Rock, giving Groudon a harder time breaking past them. However, they will easily be KOed by Heat Crash.

**Buzzwole**: Buzzwole has great physical bulk and resists Ground, completely walling any Groudon aside from Heat Crash sets.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Calyrex-S has the Speed to outrun Groudon even after a Rock Polish boost. Foul Play Yveltal, Xerneas, and Choice Specs Calyrex-S can do massive damage or KO Groudon if it has not boosted its Speed.

**Giratina**: While rare, Giratina and Giratina-O both have the bulk to tank Groudon and either status it, phaze it, or damage it significantly.

**Corviknight and Skarmory**: Corviknight and Skarmory have little to fear from Groudon apart from Heat Crash, and they can use it to set up Spikes, use Defog, or otherwise gain momentum.

**Lugia**: Lugia with Multiscale up can come in and phaze Groudon with minimal worries. However, Lugia must stay at 100% HP, lest it fall to a boosted Stone Edge.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Manaphy, 50695]]
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  • However, Lum Berry can be run to better protect Groudon from status. It’s also notable as the lack of recoil prevents opponents from switching around to get chip damage on it, which can be critical to defeating a damaged Groudon in a pinch.

you should explain what status you're speaking about (so glare zyg, wisp lunala, toxic etern etc)

[SET]
name: Bulky Swords Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
move 3: Swords Dance
move 4: Thunder Wave / Heat Crash / Rock Polish
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe

sr should also be an option on this set with twave etc

  • Fellow paralysis spreaders are good teammates to help make up for Groudon’s inconsistent speed. Necrozma-Dusk Mane, Ho-Oh, Zygarde, and Lunala are some notable options.

not sure if anyone still runs twave lunala these days

  • Clerics such as Xerneas and Blissey will be able to keep Groudon status-free, which can be especially relevant if Groudon is trying to break through Lunala or Zygarde.

calyrex-s too i guess ?

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Toxic / Dragon Tail
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

twave should also be an option on this set with toxic and dtail

  • Heat Rock could be used on any set if you are trying to abuse Sun’s effects, such as with Weather Ball Zekrom or Ho-Oh’s Sacred Fire.
  • Precipice Blades can be replaced with Earthquake on all sets for it’s higher accuracy, but Groudon loses notable breaking power, especially against Zygarde.
  • Rest can be used on Defensive sets to have more ability to regain HP.
  • Dragon Claw could be used to hit Dragon-types like Giratina-Origin, but they are sufficiently rare enough to not make it worth it.

not sure at all about heat rock and dclaw's relevance in this. also rocky helmet should be mentioned

this is good otherwise jeff!

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:Groudon:
[Overview]


With the loss of it’s Primal Form, at first glance Groudon may not seem to be the defining force in Ubers anymore. However, Groudon has remained of the best breakers and sweepers in the whole tier. Keeping it’s signature move, Precipice Blades, and sporting excellent attack, Groudon can even muscle past the mighty Zygarde through pure force. On the defensive side, Groudon’s typing and excellent defense let it become a useful check to threats such as Zekrom and Zacian-Hero. Good bulk, an immunity to Thunder Wave, and flexible boosting moves in Rock Polish and Swords Dance allow Groudon to decimate many common defensive cores, and gives Groudon an easy time setting up on common Pokémon such as Necrozma-Dusk Mane. Groudon’s main flaw is that it has trouble getting past the few checks it does have, especially Lunala and Tangrowth. Groudon’s attacks often have low accuracy and it has no reliable recovery, meaning it can be worn down over time.

[SET]

name: Double Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Rock Polish
move 4: Swords Dance
item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is Groudon’s most common and offensive set. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge gives Groudon a great STAB move and neutral coverage. Rock Polish will make Groudon faster than almost everything in the metagame, bar Choice Scarf Calyrex-Shadow Rider. Swords Dance makes Groudon incredibly strong and gives it the power to break through most physical walls. For example, a +2 Life Orb Groudon has a 81.3% chance to OHKO Defensive Zygarde, giving it no chance to transform. Life Orb gives Groudon great power with or without Swords Dance. However, Lum Berry can be run to better protect Groudon from status quick mention of notable status like glare zygarde-c and wisp gira could be added. It’s also notable as the lack of recoil prevents opponents from switching around to get chip damage on it, which can be critical to defeating a damaged Groudon in a pinch. The given spread outspeeds uninvested Lugia while maximizing Attack. The rest is dumped into HP.

This set is fairly straightforward to use, and it works well on offensive teams. Groudon will appreciate offensive teammates that can help break down it’s few checks. Zekrom makes a fantastic partner for this; for example, Zekrom can lure and KO Tangrowth with Draco Meteor or even Weather Ball. Bulk Up Marshadow is another good physical partner, as it’s strong Poltergiests will be able to take out Lunala. In turn, Groudon can lure in and KO Zygarde. Xerneas and Zacian have good synergy with Groudon as well, as Groudon can come in on Necrozma-Dusk Mane’s that those two Pokémon attract. For Hyper-Offense teams, Froslass or Aerodactyl make great teammates to lay down hazards and prevent the opponent from laying their own hazards with Taunt. Grimmsnarl is another fantastic Hyper-Offense partner, able to switch into Calyrex-Shadow Rider that may try to revenge kill Groudon, and set up dual screens, making Groudon terrifyingly hard to KO.

[SET]
name: Bulky Swords Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
move 3: Swords Dance
move 4: Thunder Wave / Heat Crash / Rock Polish If you have objections to this change lmk on discord, but mentioning rock polish makes this set have essentially 4 slots that are the exact same as the dual dance set, and on a bulky set like this I feel that twave is almost always the better speed control option since it's a more support type role and not a pure sweeper
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 240 HP / 108 Atk / 144 Def / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is a bulkier version of the above set, that is more ideal for Balanced and Bulky Offense teams. Avoid cross referencing between sets, reword this introduction a bit to focus on its place on those team structures
Precipice Blades and Stone Edge are Groudon’s typical attacking moves, with Rock Slide as a possibility for it’s slightly higher accuracy and flinch chance. As a bulkier set, it doesn’t need to sweep as fast, and it can take it’s time to weaken the opposing team. Thunder Wave is a good option to cripple common Groudon switch-ins such as Yveltal and Lunala. Heat Crash is a decent lure option to KO Tangrowth, Skarmory, and Corviknight, who would wall Groudon otherwise. Rock Polish gives Groudon more flexible sweeping potential, although it provides less team support in comparison to the other two moves. (Remove this following the mention about the set above) Leftovers and higher HP and defense investment give this set more rigorous bulk to check Zekrom and other physical attackers, and to prolong Groudon’s sweeping potential. It also notably gives Groudon the bulk to live a Foul Play from Yveltal, even after Groudon has used Swords Dance. 16 Speed EVs outspeeds Calyrex-Shadow Rider after paralysis, although you could run more or less speed depending on your team needs. The attack investment is used to always KO specially defensive Yveltal with Stone Edge, while the HP investment is a Leftovers number. The rest is dumped into Defense.

Fellow paralysis spreaders are good teammates to help make up for Groudon’s inconsistent speed. Necrozma-Dusk Mane, Ho-Oh, Zygarde, and Lunala are some notable options. This Groudon will often paralyze or KO Yveltal, so Pokémon that can sweep with Yveltal gone, such as Calyrex-Shadow Rider, are great teammates. If you are running Heat Crash, physical attackers that appreciate Tangrowth being gone, such as Zekrom without Draco Meteor and Zacian make good partners. Clerics such as Xerneas and Blissey will be able to keep Groudon status-free, which can be especially relevant if Groudon is trying to break through Lunala or Zygarde.

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Toxic / Dragon Tail / Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Groudon can run a decent physical walling set; it notably is one of the best sources of Stealth Rock besides Necrozma-Dusk Mane in the tier. Precipice Blades and one of the Rock-type moves still do decent damage generally, even without Attack investment. Toxic gives Groudon a decent way of punishing switch-ins such as Zygarde and Yveltal. Dragon Tail can be used to phaze opponents out and rack up entry hazard damage. Thunder Wave is another option that can cripple switch-ins, but you need to watch out for Zygarde. The EV spread is simply to maximize Groudon’s walling capabilities. Add a bit on things it checks specifically, with Zekrom and ndm especially being quite important targets that are hard to wall otherwise. Also mention 16 speed evs as a possibility again for para'd caly since twave is slashed, but since it's a third slash option you can just mention it here in set comments and not the actual spread.

This set’s biggest flaw is it’s lack of reliable recovery. Because of this, you will want to pair it with a cleric like Xerneas or Blissey. (These first 2 points don't flow super well, since while it's clear what aroma does to benefit don it doesn't give it any reliable recovery, might need a slight rewording for the xern mention, bliss with wish and aroma makes sense) Blissey could even provide Wish support and check Kyogre switch-ins. Ferrothorn is a good partner, as it’s able to heal Groudon with Leech Seed and provide Spikes support which helps Dragon Tail sets. Ferrothorn can also switch into Kyogre who can come into Groudon often. Necrozma-Dusk Mane has good synergy with this set, as it appreciates Groudon’s sun support for Moonlight, and Groudon can help provide more backbone against physical breakers such as Zacian and Marshadow. This will also free up a moveslot on Necrozma-Dusk Mane that is normally relegated for Stealth Rock. For example, Necrozma could run Knock Off to cripple Ho-Oh switch-ins, who then cannot Defog away Groudon’s Stealth Rocks in front of it due to fear of a Rock-type move, thus severely limiting Ho-Oh’s presence for the rest of the game.

Other Options
====

Heat Rock could be used on any set if you are trying pair it with Pokemon to abuse Sun’s effects, such as with Weather Ball Zekrom or Ho-Oh’s Sacred Fire.
Precipice Blades can be replaced with Earthquake on all sets for it’s higher accuracy, but Groudon loses notable breaking power, especially against Zygarde.
Rest can be used on Defensive sets to have more ability to regain HP.
Dragon Claw could be used to hit Dragon-types like Giratina-Origin, but they are sufficiently rare enough to not make it worth it.

Checks and Counters
====

**Lunala**: Lunala can come in on pretty much anything Groudon throws it and burn it, phaze it, or do massive damage with Ice Beam or Moongeist Beam. It doesn’t like status, however.

**Grass-Types**: Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Dada Zarude (probably have to say zarude unfortunately ;-;) resist Ground-type moves and are neutral against Rock-type attacks, giving Groudon a hard time breaking past them.

**Steel Birds**: Corviknight and Skarmory have little to fear from Groudon apart from Heat Crash, and they can use Groudon to set-up Spikes or Defog or otherwise gain momentum.

**Lugia**: Lugia with Multiscale up can come in and phaze Groudon out with minimal worries. However, Lugia needs to stay at 100% HP at all times to do this, lest it die to a boosted Stone Edge.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Calyrex-Shadow Rider has the speed to hit Groudon, even after a Rock Polish boost. Choice Scarf Yveltal can feign being a Heavy-Duty Boots set and can surprise Groudon with a KO from Foul Play. Regular Yveltal can do massive damage or KO Groudon with Foul Play if Groudon has not boosted it’s speed.

**Giratina**: While rare, Giratina and Giratina-Origin both have the bulk to tank Groudon and either status it, phaze it, or damage it significantly.

**Zygarde - Complete**: Zygarde after transforming will typically have the bulk to deal with Groudon, especially defensive sets. As such, it’s best to defeat Zygarde before it transforms.

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:Groudon:
[Overview]


With the loss of it’s its Primal Forme, at first glance Groudon may not seem to be the defining force in Ubers anymore. However, Groudon it has remained as one of the best wallbreakers and sweepers in the whole tier. Keeping it’s its signature move, Precipice Blades, and sporting excellent Attack, Groudon can even muscle past the mighty Zygarde through pure force. On the defensive side Defensively, Groudon’s Groudon's typing and excellent Defense lets it become a useful check to threats such as Zekrom and Zacian-Hero (Zacian w/out Rusted Sword is just called Zacian). Good bulk, an immunity to Thunder Wave, and flexible boosting moves in Rock Polish and Swords Dance allows Groudon to decimate many common defensive cores, and gives Groudon it an easy time setting up on common Pokemon (removed accent) such as Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM. Groudon’s Groudon's main flaw is that it has trouble getting past the few checks it does have, especially Lunala and Tangrowth. Groudon's attacks often have low accuracy and it has no reliable recovery, meaning it can be worn down over time.

[SET]
name: Double Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Rock Polish
move 4: Swords Dance
item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is Groudon’s Groudon's most common and offensive set. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge gives Groudon a great STAB move and neutral coverage. Rock Polish will make Groudon faster than almost everything in the metagame, bar Choice Scarf Calyrex-Shadow Rider Calyrex-S. Swords Dance makes Groudon incredibly strong and gives it the power to break through most physical walls. For example, a +2 Life Orb Groudon has a 81.3% chance to OHKO Defensive Zygarde, giving it no chance to transform. A Swords Dance boost in combination with a Life Orb gives Groudon a high chance to OHKO defensive Zygarde Life Orb gives Groudon great power with or without Swords Dance. However, Lum Berry can be run to better protect Groudon from status, such as Toxic Spikes from Eternatus, Wil-O-Wisp Will-O-Wisp (added a missing L) from Lunala, or Glare from Zygarde. It’s It's also notable, (comma) as the lack of recoil prevents opponents from switching around to get chip damage on it, which can be critical to defeating a damaged weakened Groudon in a pinch. The given spread outspeeds uninvested Lugia while maximizing Attack. The rest is dumped into HP.

This set is fairly straightforward to use, and it works well on offensive teams. Groudon will appreciate offensive teammates that can help break down it’s its (removed apostrophe) few checks. Zekrom makes a fantastic partner for this; for example, Zekrom can lure and KO Tangrowth with Draco Meteor or even Weather Ball. Bulk Up Marshadow is another good physical partner, as it’s its strong Poltergiests will be able to take out Lunala. In turn, Groudon can lure in and KO Zygarde. Xerneas and Zacian have good synergy with Groudon as well, as Groudon can come in on Necrozma-DM's that those two Pokemon (remove accent) attract. For Hyper-Offense hyper offense (removed hyphen and lowercase) teams, Froslass or Aerodactyl make great teammates to lay down entry hazards and prevent the opponent from laying their own hazards with Taunt. Grimmsnarl is another fantastic Hyper-Offense hyper offense partner, able to switch into Calyrex-Shadow Rider that may try to revenge kill Groudon, and set up dual screens, making Groudon it terrifyingly hard to KO.

[SET]
name: Bulky Swords Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Swords Dance
move 4: Heat Crash / Thunder Wave / Toxic
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 240 HP / 108 Atk / 160 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

This set makes use of Groudon's naturally high physical bulk to help provide more support for it's its team, as well as being a terrifying wallbreaker in its own right. Without the need for Rock Polish, Groudon can afford to run another coverage option in order to help deal with its normal checks, such as Tangrowth or and Lunala. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge are Groudon’s Groudon's typical attacking moves. (comma to period) while Swords Dance will boosts Groudon's attack to sky-high levels. Heat Crash is a decent lure option to KO Tangrowth, Skarmory, and Corviknight, who would wall Groudon otherwise Groudon can lure in Tangrowth, Skarmory, and Corviknight and KO them with Heat Crash, as they wall it otherwise. Thunder Wave provides nice team support and it helps patch up Groudon's low Speed. Toxic is a useful option to break down Lunala and Zygarde switch-ins over time. Stealth Rock can also be used to make Groudon an offensive setter that will make Defog Yveltal and Ho-Oh think twice about trying to clear hazards. Leftovers and higher HP and defense Leftovers, higher HP, and Defense investment give this set more rigorous bulk to check Zekrom and other physical attackers, and to prolong Groudon’s sweeping potential. i do not feel this adds much It also notably gives Groudon the bulk to live a Foul Play from Yveltal, even after Groudon has used Swords Dance. The attack Attack investment is used to always KO Specially Defensive specially defensive (lowercase) Yveltal with Stone Edge, while the HP investment is a Leftovers number. The rest is dumped into Defense. If you run Groudon with Thunder Wave or paralysis support, a spread of 240 HP / 108 Atk / 144 Def / 16 Spe should be used to outspeed paralyzed Calyrex-SR.

Fellow paralysis spreaders are good teammates to help make up for Groudon’s Groudon's inconsistent Speed; (period to semicolon) Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh, Zygarde, and Lunala are some notable options. This Groudon will often status or KO Yveltal, so Pokemon that can sweep with Yveltal gone, such as Calyrex-Shadow Rider, are great teammates. If you are running Heat Crash, physical attackers that appreciate Tangrowth being gone, such as Zekrom without Draco Meteor and Zacian-Hero make good partners. Clerics such as Xerneas and Blissey will be able to keep Groudon status-free, which can be especially relevant if Groudon is trying to break through Lunala or Zygarde. This set does not have the power to break through defensive Zygarde, so switch-ins to Zygarde such as Tangrowth, Lunala, or Xerneas make great partners.

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Toxic / Dragon Tail / Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Groudon can run a physical walling set; it notably is one of the best sources of Stealth Rock besides Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM in the tier. It also provides a good check to some dangerous set-up setup (remove hyphen) sweepers such as Zekrom and Dragon Dance Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM. Precipice Blades will still do decent damage generally, even without Attack investment. Stone Edge or Rock Slide are great coverage options, and they notably make the most common Defog user in the tier, Ho-Oh, very afraid of switching into Groudon. Toxic gives Groudon a decent way of punishing switch-ins such as Zygarde and Yveltal. Dragon Tail can be used to phaze opponents Pokemon out and rack up entry hazard damage. Thunder Wave is another option that can cripple switch-ins, but you need to watch out for Zygarde. The EV spread is simply to maximize Groudon's walling capabilities; 16 Speed EVs could also be used to outspeed paralyzed a Calyrex-Shadow Rider a paralyzed Calyrex-S.

This set’s set's biggest flaw is it’s its lack of reliable recovery, as well as vulnerability to status. Because of this, you will want to pair it with a cleric like Xerneas or Blissey. Blissey could even provide Wish support and check Kyogre switch-ins. Ferrothorn is a good partner, as it’s it's able to heal Groudon with Leech Seed and provide Spikes support, (comma) which helps Dragon Tail sets. Ferrothorn can also switch into Kyogre, which (comma) who can come into Groudon often. Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM has good synergy with this set, as it appreciates Groudon's sun support for Moonlight, and Groudon can help provide more backbone against physical wallbreakers such as Zacian-Hero and Marshadow. This will also free up a moveslot on Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM that is normally relegated for Stealth Rock. For example, Necrozma could run Knock Off to cripple Ho-Oh switch-ins, who which then cannot Defog away Groudon’s Stealth Rocks Groudon's Stealth Rock in front of it due to fear of a Rock-type move, thus severely limiting Ho-Oh's (add apostrophe) presence for the rest of the game.

Other Options
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Heat Rock could be used if you pair it with Pokemon to abuse Sun’s effects that benefit from sun, such as with Weather Ball Zekrom or Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire. (note: never use "abuse/abuser" in analyses due to the negative connotation; so anything like taking advantage of or anything similar works, too!)
Precipice Blades and Stone Edge can be replaced with Earthquake and Rock Slide on all sets for their higher accuracy, but Groudon loses notable breaking power, especially against Zygarde and Yveltal. Rock Slide's flinch chance could be situationally useful on teams that heavily utilize paralysis. Rest can be used on defensive sets to have more ability to regain HP. Dragon Claw could be used to hit Dragon-types like Giratina-Origin, but they are sufficiently rare enough to not make it worth it. Rocky Helmet is a possible item on defensive sets to punish physical attackers more, but Groudon need the recovery from Leftovers much more, since it lacks reliable recovery.

Checks and Counters
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**Lunala**: Lunala can come in on pretty much anything Groudon throws it and burn it, phaze it, or do massive damage with Ice Beam or Moongeist Beam. It doesn’t doesn't like status, however.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Zarude resist Ground-type moves and are neutral against Rock-type attacks, giving Groudon a hard time breaking past them. However, they will easily be KO'd KOed by Heat Crash.

**Steel Birds Steel-types**: Corviknight and Skarmory have little to fear from Groudon apart from Heat Crash, and they can use Groudon to set-up set up (remove hyphen) Spikes or Defog or otherwise gain momentum.

**Buzzwole**: Buzzwole has massive physical bulk and resists Ground-type attacks, meaning that any Groudon will be completely walled aside from Heat Crash sets.

**Lugia**: Lugia with Multiscale up can come in and phaze Groudon out with minimal worries. However, Lugia needs to stay at 100% HP at all times to do this, lest it die to or get KOed by a boosted Stone Edge.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Calyrex-Shadow Rider Calyrex-S has the Speed to hit outpace Groudon, even after a Rock Polish boost. Choice Scarf Yveltal can feign being a Heavy-Duty Boots set and can surprise Groudon with a KO from Foul Play. Regular Yveltal can do massive damage or KO Groudon with Foul Play if Groudon has not boosted it’s speed its Speed.

**Giratina**: While rare, Giratina and Giratina-Origin both have the bulk to tank Groudon's attacks and either status it, phaze it, or damage it significantly.

**Zygarde**: Zygarde after transforming will typically have the bulk to deal with Double Dance Groudon. As such Therefore, it's (add apostrophe) best to defeat Zygarde before it transforms. Additionally, Zygarde will have the bulk to deal with most bulky Swords Dance Groudon, even before transforming.

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:Groudon:
[Overview]

With the loss of it’s Primal Form, at first glance Groudon may not seem to be the defining force in Ubers anymore. However, Groudon has remained of the best breakers At first glance, Groudon may not seem to have what it takes to be a defining force in Ubers. However, it's one of the best wallbreakers and sweepers in the whole tier. Keeping it’s With its signature move, Precipice Blades, and sporting excellent Attack, offensive Groudon sets can even muscle past the mighty Zygarde stop Zygarde from transforming into Zygarde-C through pure force. On the defensive side, Defensively, Groudon’s typing and excellent Defense let it become a useful check to physical threats such as Zekrom. Good bulk, an immunity to Thunder Wave, and flexible boosting moves in Rock Polish, Bulk Up, and Swords Dance allow Groudon to decimate many common defensive cores, and gives Groudon these traits give it an easy time setting up on common Pokemon (removed E accent) such as Necrozma-Dusk Mane. Necrozma-DM. Groudon does have trouble getting past the few checks it does have, especially Lunala and Tangrowth, although even these can be dealt with with the right coverage move. Groudon’s main flaws are that its attacks often have low accuracy and it has no reliable recovery, meaning it can be worn down over time; additionally, if it lacks Rock Polish, Groudon is slow and is prone to being picked off by faster threats.

[SET]
name: Double Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Rock Polish
move 4: Swords Dance
item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is Groudon’s most offensive set. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge gives Groudon a great STAB move and give it great neutral coverage. Rock Polish will make Groudon faster than almost everything in the metagame, bar Choice Scarf Calyrex-SR. Swords Dance makes Groudon incredibly strong and gives it the power to break through most physical walls. For example, a +2 Life Orb Groudon has an 81.3% chance to OHKO defensive Zygarde, giving it no chance to transform into Zygarde-C. Life Orb gives Groudon great power with or without Swords Dance. However, Lum Berry can be run to better protect Groudon from status, such as Toxic Spikes from Eternatus, Wil-O-Wisp from Lunala, or Glare from Zygarde. It’s also notable as Also, the lack of recoil prevents opponents from switching around to get chip damage on it, which can be critical to defeating a damaged Groudon in a pinch. The given EV spread outspeeds uninvested Lugia and most Xerneas while maximizing Attack. The rest is dumped into HP. Xerneas.

This set is fairly straightforward to use, and it works well on offensive teams. Groudon will appreciate offensive teammates that can help break down its (removed apostrophe) few checks. Zekrom makes a fantastic partner for this; for example, Zekrom can lure and severely damage is fantastic for this, able to lure in and severely damage Tangrowth or Buzzwole with Draco Meteor. Marshadow is another good physical partner, as its (removed apostrophe) strong Poltergiest or Spectral Thief will be able to take out Lunala. In turn, Groudon can lure in and (if the standard groudon set can ohko zygarde after a boost, at first glance i wouldn't expect this to be a surprising "lure". maybe like "force in"? idk) KO Zygarde. Xerneas or Offensive and offensive Eternatus have good synergy with Groudon as well, as Groudon can come in on Necrozma-DM that they attracts. attract in. For Hyper-Offense hyper offense teams, Froslass or Aerodactyl make great teammates to lay down and Aerodactyl lay down entry hazards and prevent the opponent from laying their own hazards with Taunt. Grimmsnarl is another fantastic Hyper-Offense hyper offense partner, able to switch into Calyrex-S, (AC) that which may try to revenge kill Groudon, and set up dual screens, making Groudon terrifyingly hard to KO.

[SET]
name: Bulky Booster
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Bulk Up / Swords Dance
move 4: Thunder Wave / Toxic / Heat Crash / Roar
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe (bc twave is slotted first and you say twave sets should have 16 spe. your wording made it seem like hp evs are more disposable, but if it should be 240 atk instead, obviously be my guest, just make sure to change "Maximum Attack investment")

[SET COMMENTS]

This set makes use of Groudon's naturally high physical bulk to help provide more support for its (removed apostrophe) team, as well as being a terrifying wallbreaker in its own right. Without the need for Rock Polish, Groudon can afford to run another coverage option in order or a status move to help deal with its (removed apostrophe) normal checks, such as Tangrowth or and Lunala. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge are Groudon’s typical attacking moves, while Bulk Up or Swords Dance will boosts Groudon's attack to sky-high levels. The choice between Bulk Up and Swords Dance comes down to a few factors. For one, Bulk Up will have a better match-up Bulk Up gives a better matchup against Zygarde than Swords Dance, and it gives Groudon superior physical bulk after boosting. Swords Dance will give facilitates a more defensive EV spread that gives Groudon more bulk without boosting, which can be better used to lure in Foul Play Yveltal and better check physical attackers in a pinch. The last moveslot is very flexible. Thunder Wave provides nice team support and it helps patch up Groudon's low Speed. Toxic is a useful option useful to break down Lunala and Zygarde switch-ins over time. Heat Crash is a great coverage option to KO Tangrowth, Buzzwole, Zarude, Skarmory, and Corviknight, who which would wall Groudon otherwise. Notably, Heat Crash under the sun will typically do just as much damage as Precipice Blades will to a neutral target, helping to ease Groudon’s accuracy issues. Roar is an option to phase out phaze Zygarde after boosting with Bulk Up. Stealth Rock can also be used to make Groudon an offensive setter that will make makes Defog Yveltal and Ho-Oh think twice about trying to clear entry hazards. 240 HP EVs improve Leftovers recovery; Leftovers and higher HP investment give this set more rigorous sturdier bulk to check Zekrom and other physical attackers, and to they prolong Groudon’s sweeping potential. Maximum Attack investment insures ensures Groudon will hit hard as possible after a Bulk Up, being able to OHKO Tangrowth with Heat Crash. 16 Speed EVs work well alongside Thunder Wave or paralysis support to outspeed paralyzed Calyrex-S. Another option is to run a spread of 240 HP / 108 Atk / 160 Def with an Impish nature; it is preferred for Swords Dance sets, as it notably gives notably giving Groudon the bulk to live survive a Foul Play from Yveltal, even after Groudon it has used Swords Dance. The Attack investment is used to always KO specially defensive Yveltal with Stone Edge. (comma -> period) while the HP investment is a Leftovers number. The rest is dumped into Defense. If you run Groudon with Thunder Wave or paralysis support, 16 HP EVs should be put into Speed to outspeed paralyzed Calyrex-S.

Other paralysis spreaders are good teammates to help make up for Groudon’s inconsistent speed. Necrozma-Dusk Mane, poor Speed without paralyzing foes. Necrozma-DM, (I imagine "without paralyzing foes" is the "inconsistency"?) Ho-Oh, and Zygarde are some notable options. This Groudon will often status or KO Yveltal, so Pokemon (removed E accent) that can sweep with Yveltal gone, such as Calyrex-S, are great teammates. If you are running Heat Crash, physical attackers that appreciate Tangrowth or Buzzwole being gone, such as Zekrom and Marshadow, make good partners. Clerics such as Xerneas, Calyrex-S, (removed space after hyphen) Blissey, and Clefable will be able to keep Groudon status-free, which can be status free, which is especially relevant if Groudon is trying to break through Lunala or Zygarde. This set can struggle to break through defensive Zygarde, so switch-ins to Zygarde such as Tangrowth, Lunala, Buzzwole, or and Xerneas make great partners.

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide / Dragon Tail
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Toxic / Dragon Tail / Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Groudon can run a physical walling set; it notably is one of the best sources of Stealth Rock besides Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM in the tier. It also provides a good check to some dangerous setup (collapsed hyphen) sweepers such as Zekrom and Dragon Dance Necrozma-Dusk Mane. Necrozma-DM. Precipice Blades will still do decent damage generally, even without Attack investment. Stone Edge or and Rock Slide are great coverage options, and they notably make the most common Defog users in the tier, Yveltal and Ho-Oh, very afraid of switching into Groudon. Toxic gives Groudon a decent way of punishing switch-ins such as Zygarde and Yveltal. Dragon Tail can be used to phaze opponents out foes and rack up entry hazard damage. It particularly punishes Zygarde nicely. Thunder Wave is another option that can cripple switch-ins, but you need to watch out for Zygarde. The EV spread is simply to maximize Groudon’s walling capabilities; 16 Speed EVs could also be used to outspeed paralyzed a Calyrex-Shadow Rider. 16 Speed EVs could be run to outspeed a paralyzed Calyrex-S.

This set’s biggest flaw is flaws are its (removed apostrophe) lack of reliable recovery (RC) as well as and vulnerability to status. Because of this, you will want to pair it with a cleric like Xerneas or Blissey. Blissey could can even provide Thunder Wave support and check Kyogre switch-ins. Ferrothorn is a good partner, as it’s able good to heal Groudon with Leech Seed and provide Spikes support, (AC) which helps Dragon Tail sets. Ferrothorn can also switch into Kyogre, (AC) who which can come into Groudon often. Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM has good synergy with this set, as it appreciates Groudon’s sun support for Moonlight, and Groudon can help provide more backbone against physical wallbreakers such as Zekrom and Marshadow. This will also free pairing also frees up a moveslot on Necrozma-Dusk Mane Necrozma-DM that is normally relegated reserved for Stealth Rock. For example, Necrozma it could run Knock Off to cripple Ho-Oh switch-ins, who which then cannot Defog away Groudon’s Stealth Rocks in front of it use Defog in front of Groudon due to fear of a Rock-type move compounding Stealth Rock damage from its lost Heavy-Duty Boots, (I assume?) thus severely limiting Ho-Oh’s presence for the rest of the game.

Other Options
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Heat Rock could be used if you pair it Groudon with Pokemon to abuse Sun’s take advantage of sun's effects, such as with Weather Ball Zekrom or Ho-Oh’s Sacred Fire. and Ho-Oh. (also removed paragraph break) Precipice Blades and Stone Edge can be replaced with Earthquake and Rock Slide on all sets for their higher accuracy, but Groudon loses notable wallbreaking power, especially against Zygarde and Yveltal. Rock Slide’s flinch chance could can be situationally useful on teams that heavily utilize paralysis. Overheat could be run over Heat Crash, since it will still OHKO Tangrowth and Buzzwole, and it has the advantage not needing a boost to do so. However, Overheat has low accuracy, doesn't offset Groudon's inaccurate attacks like Heat Crash, and it can be played around should you happen to use it at the wrong time. In contrast, Heat Crash can be used to help offset Groudon’s other attacks with low accuracy. Rest can be used on defensive sets to have more ability to regain HP. longevity. Dragon Claw could be used to hit Dragon-types like Giratina-Origin, but they are sufficiently rare enough to not make it worth it. Rocky Helmet is a possible item on defensive sets to punish physical attackers, but Groudon needs the recovery from Leftovers much more, since it lacks reliable recovery.

Checks and Counters
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**Lunala**: Lunala can come in on pretty much anything Groudon throws at it and burn it, phaze it, or do massive damage with Ice Beam or Moongeist Beam. It doesn’t like status, however.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Zarude resist Ground-type moves and are neutral against Rock-type attacks, giving Groudon a hard time breaking past them. However, they will easily be KOed by Heat Crash.

**Buzzwole**: Buzzwole has massive physical bulk and resists Ground-type attacks, meaning that any Groudon will be completely walled Ground, completely walling any Groudon aside from Heat Crash sets.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Calyrex-Shadow Rider has the Speed to hit Groudon (RC) even after a Rock Polish boost. Choice Scarf Yveltal can feign being a Heavy-Duty Boots set and can surprise Groudon with a KO from Foul Play. Regular Yveltal and Choice Specs Calyrex-S can do massive damage or KO Groudon if Groudon it has not boosted it’s speed. its Speed.

**Giratina**: While rare, Giratina and Giratina-Origin both have the bulk to tank Groudon and either status it, phaze it, or damage it significantly.

**Zygarde-C**: Zygarde after transforming will typically have the bulk to Zygarde-C has the bulk to typically deal with Double Dance Groudon. As such, it’s best to This pressures Groudon to (I imagine "pressures" checks out?) defeat Zygarde before it transforms. Additionally, Zygarde will have has the bulk to deal with most bulky Swords Dance Groudon, even before transforming. Against Bulk Up Groudon, defensive Zygarde will typically have the advantage thanks to Coil, Glare, and Rest.

**Landorus-T**: Landorus-T can pivot in on Groudon thanks to Intimidate and its immunity to Precipice Blades. However, Landorus-T has no recovery outside of Leftovers, (I imagine?) (AC) and it must watch out for being chipped over time.

**Steel Birds Corviknight and Skarmory**: Corviknight and Skarmory have little to fear from Groudon apart from Heat Crash, and they can use Groudon to set-up Spikes or Defog it to set up Spikes, use Defog, or otherwise gain momentum.

**Lugia**: Lugia with Multiscale up can come in and phaze Groudon out with minimal worries. However, Lugia needs to stay at 100% HP at all times to do this, lest it die must stay at 100% HP, lest it fall to a boosted Stone Edge.

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[OVERVIEW]

At first glance, Groudon may not seem to have what it takes to be a defining force in Ubers. However, it's one of the best wallbreakers and sweepers in the whole tier. With its signature move, Precipice Blades, and sporting excellent Attack, offensive Groudon sets can even stop Zygarde from transforming into Zygarde-C through pure force. Defensively, Groudon’s Groudon's typing and excellent Defense physical bulk let it become a useful check to physical threats such as Zekrom. Good bulk, an immunity to Thunder Wave, and flexible several boosting moves options in Rock Polish, Bulk Up, and Swords Dance allow Groudon to decimate many common defensive cores, and these traits give it an easy time setting up on common Pokemon such as Necrozma-DM. Groudon does have trouble getting past the few checks it does have, especially Lunala and Tangrowth, although even these can be dealt with with the right coverage move. Groudon’s Groudon's main flaws are that its attacks often have low accuracy and it has no reliable recovery, meaning it can be worn down over time (maybe be more specific here and say how it'd end up taking chip damage); additionally, if it lacks Rock Polish, Groudon is slow and prone to being picked off by faster threats (such as? I imagine not every faster Pokemon can take it down).

[SET]
name: Double Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Rock Polish
move 4: Swords Dance
item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is Groudon’s most offensive set. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge give it Groudon great neutral coverage. Rock Polish will makes Groudon faster than almost everything in the metagame (remove comma) bar Choice Scarf Calyrex-S. Swords Dance makes Groudon incredibly strong and gives it the power to break through most physical walls. For example, a +2 Life Orb Groudon has an 81.3% chance to OHKO defensive Zygarde, giving it no chance to transform into Zygarde-C. Life Orb gives Groudon great power with or without Swords Dance. However, Lum Berry can be run to better protect Groudon from status (remove comma) such as Toxic Spikes poison from Eternatus's Toxic Spikes, Wil-O-Wisp burn from Lunala's Will-O-Wisp, or Glare and paralysis from Zygarde's Glare. Also, the lack of recoil prevents opponents from switching around to get chip damage on it, which can be critical to defeating a damaged Groudon in a pinch. The given EV spread outspeeds uninvested Lugia and most Xerneas.

This set is fairly straightforward to use, and it works well on offensive teams. Groudon will appreciate offensive teammates that can help break down its (removed apostrophe) few checks. Zekrom is fantastic for this, able to lure luring in and severely damage damaging Tangrowth or Buzzwole with Draco Meteor. Marshadow is another good physical partner, as its (removed apostrophe) strong Poltergiest Poltergeist or Spectral Thief will be able to take out Lunala. In return, Groudon can KO Zygarde. Xerneas and offensive Eternatus have good synergy with Groudon as well, as Groudon can come in on Necrozma-DM,(comma) that which they attract in. For hyper offense teams, Froslass and Aerodactyl lay down entry hazards and prevent the opponent from laying their own hazards with Taunt. Grimmsnarl is another fantastic hyper offense partner, able to switch switching into Calyrex-S, which may try to revenge kill Groudon, and set setting up dual screens, making Groudon terrifyingly hard to KO.

[SET]
name: Bulky Booster
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Bulk Up / Swords Dance
move 4: Thunder Wave / Heat Crash / Toxic
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set makes use of Groudon's naturally high physical bulk to provide more support for its (removed apostrophe) team, as well as being a terrifying wallbreaker in its own right. Without Rock Polish, Groudon can run another coverage option or a status move to help deal with its (removed apostrophe) normal checks, such as Tangrowth and Lunala. Bulk Up gives a better matchup against Zygarde than Swords Dance, and it gives Groudon superior physical bulk after boosting. Swords Dance facilitates a more defensive EV spread that gives Groudon more bulk without boosting (remove comma) which that can be used to lure in and defeat Foul Play Yveltal and better check physical attackers in a pinch. The last moveslot is very flexible. Thunder Wave provides nice team support and helps patch up Groudon's low Speed. Heat Crash is a great coverage option to KO Buzzwole, Zarude, Tangrowrth Tangrowth, Skarmory, and Corviknight, which would otherwise wall Groudon otherwise. Notably, Heat Crash under sun will typically do just as much damage as Precipice Blades will to a neutral target, helping to ease Groudon’s easing Groudon's accuracy issues. Toxic is useful to break down Lunala and Zygarde switch-ins over time. Stealth Rock can also be used to make Groudon an offensive setter that makes Defog Yveltal and Ho-Oh think twice about trying to clear entry hazards. 240 HP EVs improve Leftovers recovery; Leftovers and higher HP investment give this set sturdier more bulk to check Zekrom and other physical attackers, and they prolong Groudon’s Groudon's sweeping potential. Maximum Attack investment ensures Groudon will hit hard as possible after a Bulk Up, being able to OHKO Tangrowth with Heat Crash. 16 Speed EVs work well alongside Thunder Wave or paralysis support to outspeed paralyzed Calyrex-S. Another option is to run a spread of 240 HP / 108 Atk / 160 Def with an Impish nature; it is preferred for Swords Dance sets, notably giving Groudon the bulk to survive a Foul Play from Yveltal (remove comma) even after it has used Swords Dance. The Attack investment is used to always KO specially defensive Yveltal with Stone Edge.

Other paralysis spreaders like Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh, and Zygarde are good teammates to help make up for Groudon’s, Groudon's poor Speed without paralyzing foes. Necrozma-DM, Ho-Oh, and Zygarde are some notable options. This Groudon will often status inflict status onto or KO Yveltal, so Pokemon (removed E accent) that can sweep with Yveltal gone, such as Calyrex-S, are great teammates. If you are running Heat Crash, physical attackers that appreciate Tangrowth or Buzzwole being gone, such as Zekrom and Marshadow, make good partners. Clerics such as Xerneas, Calyrex-S, (removed space after hyphen) Blissey, and Clefable will be able to keep Groudon status free, which is especially relevant if Groudon is trying to break through Lunala or Zygarde. This set can struggle to break through defensive Zygarde, so switch-ins to Zygarde such as Tangrowth, Lunala, Buzzwole, and Xerneas make are great partners.

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Stone Edge / Rock Slide / Dragon Tail
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Toxic / Dragon Tail / Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Drought
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
[SET COMMENTS]

Groudon can run a physical walling set; it notably Physically defensive Groudon
is one of the best sources of Stealth Rock besides Necrozma-DM in the tier. It also provides a good check to some dangerous setup (collapsed hyphen) sweepers such as Zekrom and Dragon Dance. Necrozma-DM Dance Necrozma-DM. Precipice Blades will still do decent damage generally, even without Attack investment. Stone Edge and Rock Slide are great coverage options, and they notably make the most common Defog users Defoggers in the tier, Yveltal and Ho-Oh, very afraid of switching into Groudon. Toxic gives Groudon a decent way of punishing switch-ins such as Zygarde and Yveltal. Dragon Tail can be used to phaze foes and rack up entry hazard damage. It particularly punishes Zygarde nicely. Thunder Wave is another option that can cripple switch-ins, but you need to watch out for Zygarde. 16 Speed EVs could can be run to outspeed a paralyzed Calyrex-S. (this seems like a really low investment option that may as well be on the default EV spread, unless you truly need maxed out physical bulk)

This set’s biggest flaws are its lack of reliable recovery and vulnerability to status. Because of this, you will want to pair it with a cleric like Xerneas or Blissey. Blissey can even provide Thunder Wave support and check Kyogre switch-ins. Ferrothorn is good to heal Groudon with Leech Seed and provide Spikes support, which helps Dragon Tail sets. Ferrothorn can also switch into Kyogre, which can come often switches into Groudon often. Necrozma-DM has good synergy with this set, as it appreciates Groudon’s Groudon's sun support for Moonlight, and Groudon can provide more backbone extra insurance against physical wallbreakers such as Zekrom and Marshadow. This pairing also frees up a moveslot on Necrozma-DM that is normally reserved for Stealth Rock. For example, it could run Knock Off to cripple Ho-Oh switch-ins, which then cannot use Defog in front of Groudon due to fear of a Rock-type move, thus severely limiting Ho-Oh’s its presence for the rest of the game and keeping Stealth Rock on the field.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Heat Rock could can be used if you pair Groudon with Pokemon to take advantage of sun's effects sun, such as Weather Ball Zekrom and Ho-Oh. Precipice Blades and Stone Edge can be replaced with Earthquake and Rock Slide on all sets for their higher accuracy, but Groudon loses notable wallbreaking power, especially against Zygarde and Yveltal. Rock Slide’s flinch chance can be situationally useful on teams that heavily utilize paralysis. Overheat could can be run over Heat Crash, since it will still OHKO Tangrowth and Buzzwole, and it has the advantage of not needing a boost to do so. However, Overheat doesn't offset Groudon's inaccurate attacks like Heat Crash does, and it can be played around should you happen to use it at the wrong time. Rest can be used on defensive sets to have more longevity. Dragon Claw could be used to hit Dragon-types like Giratina-O, but they are sufficiently rare to not make it worth it. Rocky Helmet is a possible item on defensive sets to punish physical attackers, but Groudon needs the recovery from Leftovers much more, since it lacks reliable recovery.

Checks and Counters
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**Lunala**: Lunala can come in on pretty much anything Groudon throws at it and burn it Groudon, phaze it, or do massive damage to it with Ice Beam or Moongeist Beam. It Lunala doesn’t like status, however.

**Grass-types**: Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Zarude resist Ground and are neutral against Rock, giving Groudon a hard harder time breaking past them. However, they will easily be KOed by Heat Crash.

**Buzzwole**: Buzzwole has massive great physical bulk and resists Ground, completely walling any Groudon aside from Heat Crash sets.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Calyrex-S has the Speed to hit outrun Groudon (RC) even after a Rock Polish boost. Choice Scarf Yveltal can feign a Heavy-Duty Boots set and surprise Groudon with a KO from Foul Play. Regular (what constitutes a regular Yveltal? be more specific) Yveltal and Choice Specs Calyrex-S can do massive damage or KO Groudon if it has not boosted its Speed.

**Giratina**: While rare, Giratina and Giratina-O both have the bulk to tank Groudon and either status it, phaze it, or damage it significantly.

**Zygarde-C**: Zygarde-C after transforming will have has the bulk to typically deal with Double Dance Groudon. This pressures Groudon to defeat Zygarde before it transforms. Additionally, Zygarde has the bulk to deal with most bulky Swords Dance Groudon, even before transforming. Against Bulk Up Groudon, defensive Zygarde will typically have the advantage thanks to Coil, Glare, and Rest.

**Landorus-T**: Landorus-T can pivot in on Groudon thanks to Intimidate and its immunity to Precipice Blades. However, Landorus-T has no recovery outside of Leftovers, and it must watch out for being chipped weakened over time.

**Corviknight and Skarmory**: Corviknight and Skarmory have little to fear from Groudon apart from Heat Crash, and they can use it to set up Spikes, use Defog, or otherwise gain momentum.

**Lugia**: Lugia with Multiscale up can come in and phaze Groudon with minimal worries. However, Lugia must stay at 100% HP, lest it fall to a boosted Stone Edge.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Manaphy, 50695]]
- Quality checked by: [[SiTuM, 274590], [Fc, 511624]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [username2, userid2]
 
I have decided to move heat crash groudon to the first set given its fantastic performance in SCL.

Anyway, unless there are more double spaces I forgot to delete, this should be good to upload! Fc
 
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