Gyrados? Special Wall?

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I was wondering...Gyrados has a base HP of 95 and a base Special Defence stat of 100. Not too shabby if you ask me. Would this work? It would sure catch your opponent off-guard.

Gyrados @ Leftovers
252 Special Defence, 252 HP, 4 Attack
Careful Natured
Intimidate

Thunderwave/Toxic
Roar
Substitute/Dragon Dance
Waterfall


I am not going to run calculators, because I am not sure if it would work. Post comments if you like.
 
Eh. Why Dragon Dance on a wall? I'm more fond of Mantine, but it survived by 3 HP when I T bolted it using AgiliZ with Max Special Attack. I'll look at the movepool and I'll give my thoughts on the moveset.
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Dragon Dance is like a CM Cresselia, just not adding to the defensive side. In my opinion a strong and speedy special wall may be able to do some serious damage. This set is mostly to catch them offguard, and the dragon dance will make them think it is the standard gyrados none the less.
 
What exactly do you plan on walling with something 4x weak to one the most common special attacks?
Edit what do you mean you won't post calcs because your not sure it will work thats your job to see if works not ours.
 
Mantine comes to mind.
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Yes, Mantine. That premier special wall. Blissey pales in comparison.

Ideally, a special wall should have two of the following:

- good stats in that area.
- a defensive typing in that area.
- a good recovery move.

Gyarados has the stats, but he is weak to Thunderbolt and takes 120 from Grass Knot which puts him on the backfoot straight away.

I find that the standard bulky version is also pretty good at taking certain special attacks, so I'd rather have the defense EV's.

Also, ANY Gyarados set should have at least 222 speed. Common sense!
 
This wall blocks focus blasts and cross chops or Close Combats, which is normaly a special wall's threat. Gyrados also shuts down the mix-ape set most commonly used, which is meant to take down walls.
 
This wall blocks focus blasts and cross chops or Close Combats, which is normaly a special wall's threat. Gyrados also shuts down the mix-ape set most commonly used, which is meant to take down walls.
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So does the standard Gyarados. And he does a lot more too. No need to limit him to special walling.

You're also overlooking the Stealth Rock weakness...
 
L E A V E1 said:
This wall blocks focus blasts and cross chops or Close Combats, which is normaly a special wall's threat. Gyrados also shuts down the mix-ape set most commonly used, which is meant to take down walls.
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About the Close Combact i Agree with you, But Note some MixApes carry ThunderPunch for some Reason.
 
That would severely limit you as a special wall not to mention common satkers like Starmie and Gengar pack TBolt so you're basically screwed
 
The fact that he can survive a close combat or two does not negate the fact that he dies from one thunderbolt coming off of any kind of respectable special attack stat, reguardless of his special defense. Seriously, special wall Gyarados is at least fifty times as stupid as special sweeping Gyarados which is pretty damned stupid as it is!
 
The problem is Gyarados doesn't have a reliable recovery move. If Gyarados had roost, then this might work since TWave+Roost=50% HP and only 2x Elec weak=Awsome. But it has no way of healing off the damage it takes from Gengar's Tbolts or Mence's Draco Meteors. Using rest would make you lose TWave and your only way of crippling Gengar, Azelf, ect. At best, all this does that the standard Gyarados doesn't is stop paraflinching Togekiss.

I don't even know why people use Mantine in OU....
 
Kietharr said:
The fact that he can survive a close combat or two does not negate the fact that he dies from one thunderbolt coming off of any kind of respectable special attack stat, reguardless of his special defense. Seriously, special wall Gyarados is at least fifty times as stupid as special sweeping Gyarados which is pretty damned stupid as it is!
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Some moron used a choice specs gyarados on me, took out one poke (that the physical one coulda taken out too) and then it got raped. Gimmick sets suck.
 
Quiet Lurker said:
The problem is Gyarados doesn't have a reliable recovery move. If Gyarados had roost, then this might work since TWave+Roost=50% HP and only 2x Elec weak=Awsome. But it has no way of healing off the damage it takes from Gengar's Tbolts or Mence's Draco Meteors. Using rest would make you lose TWave and your only way of crippling Gengar, Azelf, ect. At best, all this does that the standard Gyarados doesn't is stop paraflinching Togekiss.

I don't even know why people use Mantine in OU....
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1. Gyrados doesn't get Roost, which I think is a total flaw knowing it IS a flying type with a respectable stat in a defensive catagory.

2. After a couple DragonDances, and if you choose taunt, gyrados can pose a hella threat to the OU metagame, with the huge amount of phazers and status inflictors.
 
gyarados is hampered by rocks and has no reliable recovery move. statistics are good, but you dont see his sister, milotic, as a special wall. slowking is resistant to fighting, has access to calm mind and has health points recovery move, but even him cant tank raikou or other powerful special attackers. also, water absorb lapras is the bane of this set
 
Okay, so which of the special threats exactly does it wall?

Gengar? Nope. Thunderbolt is an OHKO.
Porygon Z? Nope. Thunderbolt is an OHKO.
Azelf? Nope. Thunderbolt is an OHKO.
Magmortar? Nope, see a pattern yet?
Magnezone? Jolteon? Raikou? lol
Salamence? Nope, Draco Meteor is an easy 2HKO.
Alakazam? Nope. Spec's Psychic can 2HKO.

It's best chances to do any sort of walling are Mix-Ape, Lucario, Yanmega, Heatran and Togekiss. However, the standard Gyarados also walls these to hell if played right. A boosted Lucario Aura Sphere only does about 30% to standard Gyara, and a boosted Dragon Pulse is barely a 3HKO. Heatran can't do much and is scared away by Waterfall/EQ. A Nasty Plotted Grass Knot does about 60% if Infernape dares to stay in. Togekiss and Yanmega are scared of Stone Edge and Air Slash does about 32-37% to standard Gyara.

So why wreck those strategically placed EV's just so that Thunderbolt does 157% damage rather than 212%
 
Did ya know that it takes a minimum of 280 Special Attack (stat) to even have a CHANCE of doing 100% max to the standard 384 HP/236 Gyarados? Didya didya didya?

Didyaknow if you wanted to tank with it, you could have just slapped on a Life Orb or Leftovers if you didn't want to lose damage, and slap on Rest+Sleep Talk for recovery. (And Waterfall+Stone Edge for coverage) If you added a Life Orb and changed from Adamant to like Careful, you get 259 Special Defense, which now takes a minimum of 308 Special Attack (stat) to have a CHANCE of OHKOing Gyarados by doing maximum damage.

Just some thoughts.
 
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