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Hail the Queen! (Peaked #1)

Try Taunt over T-Wave on Frosslass so you can stick it to Blastoise. With foresight it can spin p easily against your team and you seem to rely on layers and luck so yea. Taunt is a great utility move in general on that set too. I think Nidoqueen and Milotic are good suggestions, that mew set just isn't good... Also SubSplit RotomF is another one you should look into, you could really use something to slap around waters with that doesn't mind a scald burn. Quite sexy with tspikes.

Ok no delete now. Badabing was here :D
 
I would ignore bluewind's posts, whitequeen, as in don't even acknowledge them by responding. All he did was randomly state your team has an issue, not attempt to fix it. That's not a rate, that's just a petty attack.

I would like to see your response to snunch's point that suicune is outclassed by milotic though, as his theorymon seems decently solid.

BTW, it is such nonsense to hear people attempt to criticize the effectiveness of a team by saying "you just did well on ladder."

Duh. That is the only venue to test teams out consistently for bw uu atm; being good on ladder means you are good on the only venue that you can be good at.

Grow up guys (whitequeen included with his unnecessary character attacks)
 
Aldaron said:
I would ignore bluewind's posts, whitequeen, as in don't even acknowledge them by responding. All he did was randomly state your team has an issue, not attempt to fix it. That's not a rate, that's just a petty attack.
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wrong, he recommended max speed on flygon to deal with it, which has probably been the best rate in this thread so far

just sayin.
 
This thread is indeed a fun read :3.

Back on topic, I feel that Milotic would not be a good addition to the team in place of Suicune because it's physical defense sucks ass. He uses Suicune as a physical wall, and 252 DEF (+ natured) Milotic reaches a puny 282 DEF; while no DEF investment (+ natured) Suicune reaches 292 DEF. So with full investment in DEF Suicune becomes a much better physical wall than Milotic would ever be, even with more reliable recovery. Plus, while using this team I found it's not that difficult to get Suicune to wake up, as it can take numerous hits.
 
Aldaron said:
I would ignore bluewind's posts, whitequeen, as in don't even acknowledge them by responding. All he did was randomly state your team has an issue, not attempt to fix it. That's not a rate, that's just a petty attack.

I would like to see your response to snunch's point that suicune is outclassed by milotic though, as his theorymon seems decently solid.

BTW, it is such nonsense to hear people attempt to criticize the effectiveness of a team by saying "you just did well on ladder."

Duh. That is the only venue to test teams out consistently for bw uu atm; being good on ladder means you are good on the only venue that you can be good at.

Grow up guys (whitequeen included with his unnecessary character attacks)
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i tried both milotic and suicune and switched back and forth between them plenty. in the end, suicune was the superior choice. with milotic, i was unable to phaze away Substitute sweepers like cobalion/bisharp/etc and that caused major headaches. with suicune, i have a legitimate chance to burn or phaze them away and that alone makes suicune a better choice

also, Recovery is a reliable move, but it makes milotic susceptible to toxic which actually makes her die quicker. and rest/sleeptalk milotic is just completely, imo, outclassed by rest/sleeptalk suicune. dragontail is unable and can't phaze away a substitute from something like cobalion
 
lol this thread has been pretty amusing, though I can't tell who has been serious and who is legitimately pissed O_o.

Anyway, I used hail for a chunk of this round (or whatever the fuck is going on with uu at the moment), and I suggest testing Taunt over Thunder Wave on Froslass. Thunder Wave is annoying as shit, yes, and is probably better for the ladder (as the majority of the players on the ladder aren't very good -_-), but Taunt imo is the more competitive move, as it leaves Blastoise, the most popular spinner at the moment, completely fucked to do anything. It's also just generally very useful against opposing stall teams.

Also, I haven't really found max speed on Froslass to be necessary, try out 176 spd with a timid nature, you outspeed +natured 100's, and that leaves you with some extra evs to make Froslass quite a bit bulkier, which I have found extremely useful to get that extra layer of spikes, etc.

I am going to have to agree with Whitqueen that Suicune > Milotic for this team, Suicune hits 361 def at max, while Milotic hits 282 def at max. That is a HUGE difference, that imo, outweighs having a reliable form of recovery in Milotic, because Whitequeen needs Suicune to take all kinds of hits. Using Milotic would make him even weaker to powerful physical threats, such as CB Escavalier, Heracross, etc. Also, having a dedicated sleep absorber is always nice.

If you do decide to use Taunt on Froslass, I think Psychic would be a great choice on Mew. I really don't like the idea of using pokemon with no attack moves, as it makes it easy set up bait. If I had to choose any pokemon with no attacking moves, Mew would probably be up there just because there isn't a whole lot that can set up on it, but I still think Psychic would be very useful on him to hit those fighting types that can annoy your team.

Overall though, nice team. I never thought to use Cryogonal on my hail team, that's a nice touch. I wasn't fortunate enough to play this team (with you using it), though I remember playing you a number of times with you using that team with weaville, zapdos, and other shit I can't remember, and those were always close. Congrats on #1 and #2 on the ladder
 
hr. i have posted how to deal with stuff like blastoise. i would switch in abomasnow on a predicted foresight, and then proceed to knock off blastoise when it spins. mew is durable enough to set the rocks back. no problem at all.

thunder wave is a lot more useful. i have tried taunt for a bit and found it to be kinda useless. with the hail going and your enemy's sweepers getting paralyzed, it caused a whole lot of ragequitting. i like to make people ragequit

the reason for max Speed on froslass is because of base 108 speed pokemon like cobalion

as for stall teams, mew handily takes care of them even without an attacking move. with hail and a burn status, and with chansey/etc not carrying a leftovers due to eviolite--those stall pokemon faint really quickly

as long as the hail is up, and i have sr (spikes aren't even needed; they just make my opponents lose quicker), i will most likely win
 
This is a really solid team. I haven't laddered in a while, but I do believe that Flygon is a nice addition to the team for some of the Pokemon that give your team more trouble. Before, you used a SpecMismagius, and although double Ghost wrecks stall, I do believe that the benefits you gained from Flygon outweigh what you lost. Mew is already a good stallbreaker, and yes, I agree that you do not need an attacking move and that Will-o-wisp is better. The amount of passive damage from burn and hail is already enough to deal with most stall teams. Stall teams need to resort to using something like Zapdos to be able to force Mew out. Did you used to use HP Fire on Cryogonal? I am guessing that you didn't since I remember (maybe incorrectly) being able to switch a specially defensive Escavalier into anything on your team. If it is indeed a new addition, I have to comment on it being a good decision to run HP Fire for the reasons that you have already mentioned. And for reasons that have already been stated, Suicune is definitely better for this team and should never be replaced by Milotic.
 
yea, i had scarfmissy, then specsmissy, then scarfvictini, and finally flygon. flygon fits this team best of them all. hp fire on cryogonal is definitely for that pest escavalier. as a bonus, it is also effective against enemy froslasses making life as a spinner for cryogonal much, much easier

battling you and doodles helped me shape this team into what it is now. the two of you were the only persons who could defeat me on the ladder, so i had to make some changes to keep you two from trolling me lol. so kudos to you guys!
 
Nice presentation, I'm already doing Pokemath in my head to try figure out how my own UU would deal with it and it checks a lot of what many players generally run
 
This is a good team (clearly as it peaked 1). I'm impressed at how much you've managed to fit in in 6 members of a team. Arcanine can still give you a bit of a hard time even with Cune as most carry wild charge but it isn't too much of an issue seeing as cune is carrying rest and sleep talk. Another problem would be enemy phazing teams. Yes you have a spinner but if the team carrys an opposing froslass (which too many do tbh) your cryoconal will be doing the best bit of nothing as you give them a free turn to set up spikes.

One major threat (this may be covered but from what I see it can give you some trouble) is Ursaring. If he comes in, maybe you'll switch to suicune, he'll use swords dance burn orb kicks in with quickfeet/guts. If he hits even suicune with a facade, it will really hurt especially with the initial damage from hazards. I'm not sure it would survive but maybe this is all wrong. Just some thoughts.
 
Pretty solid team, i haven't had the luck to play with this team ever (something that surprised me lol) but this could be probably because i haven't play UU for some time (2-3 weeks moreless). Or its just i have bad memory xD


Well, i don't have more suggestions apart from the mencioned before (i only agree with flygon's one though).

I have a question. What would you do now that there are more fire types (like darmanitan and chandelure) and also machamp running around the tier? I mean, if you continue using this team (i doubt it so much), i'm a bit nosy about this haha :)
 
spuds4ever: that is why cryogonal is such an awesome spinner. froslass is the one that can't do shit to it, not the other way around. hp fire 3hkos bulky full health froslass, if i recall correctly. after two hits, i will spin predicting my opponent to switch pokemon... it's all situational stuff.

destinyunknown: don't forget, i will have those new additions at my disposal as well. replacing flygon with chandelure sounds quite exciting to me actually. double ghosts and an even better revenge killer in chandelure. that and chandelure ohkos escavalier and resists both of heracross' stab attacks.

let's see...

hippowdon: it can't really do shit. all it can do is annoy me with the sandstorm

machamp: mew and suicune

chandelure and darmartian: suicune and flygon

whimsicott: this stupid cotton is annoying no matter what team you're running

tornadus: it has an ice weakness. i need say no more

porygon2: set up fodder

what other new additions are there? i forgot
 
No more i think.

Well, so machamp should be the most threatening for the team, but he should have good hax to beat suicune and mew, actually. Nobody is running guts machamp? I think that, not being conkeldurr here, its the best BulkUp user all around the tier, and with guts, it can take advantage of the pokemon (mainly ghosts and bulky waters) who try to cripple him with burn.

Is always porygon2 set up fodder? Don't forget it can switch into froslass, trace snow cloak, and proceed to use Charge Beam (it has a respectable base spatk of 105) and use recover to stall your pokemon. Also, i think no one of your team can beat him 1on1, and with snow cloak, it can be even more anoying
 
switch in abomasnow, leech seed porygon2. done lol

it really is that easy

calm mind suicune, etc can't do anything to abomasnow. charge beam porygon2 isn't gonna do anything either. with hail + leech seed, recover isn't gonna help
 
Actually, Empoleon fucks with your team BIG TIME. It walls basically your entire team bar Flygon, and Flygon is easily taken care of with Weavile or some other teammate. I noticed that you've replaced your Flygon with Chandelure when I battled you recently, and it was underwhelming. I suggest sticking with Scarf Flygon, as it can also revenge Chandelure and helps with your Empoleon weakness. Also, Tornadus is actually quite a big threat to your team if Abomasnow is down. LO Hurricane / Grass Knot rips through your team. I wouldn't undermine Tornadus as a threat, simply because it has "an ice weakness." It outspeeds Frosslass and Cryogonal, and with Stealth Rock down, Cryogonal cannot switch into LO Hurricane for fear of being 2HKOed. Chandelure, specifically Choice Scarf variants, can also tear through your team like paper. Suicune isn't safe because of Energy Ball and Shadow Ball does a lot of damage, and may 2HKO after Stealth Rock. Rain teams are also a threat, as Tornadus is perhaps one of the biggest threats to your team.

Take my advice seriously, especially since I was able to defeat you with a simple Rain team.
 
don't forget, you won because blizzard missed and another move of mine missed prior to that. otherwise, i had that game won

yeah, anyways, empoleon does wall a good portion of my team. i kill it via wow, hazards, phazing, and wood hammer/leech seed from abomasnow

as for the new threats, i have to play around a bit to see how i will need to modify my team to keep it up with everything that's changing

I'M BACK IN TESTING MODE AGAIN. ONCE I'M DONE WITH IT, I WILL BE RIGHT BACK WHERE I WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO--at the very top of uu
 
Do you think there are any possible replacements to fill the role mew has?

I'm running a similar team to this that is more offensively based and was wondering what you thought. I'm only at around 40 on the ladder atm and don't have too much trouble.
 
without mew, you will be trolled by deoxys-d

life orb magic guard alakazam is annoying as fuck. i don't have any safe switch-in for it. sighs
 
omg all the new threats are more dangerous than i anticipated. good thing i rmt'd this team before all the new additions arrived, especially life orb magic guard alakazam.

i have to start a new team now probably lol
 
You might not have to create an entirely new team but just make some major changes and OrangeCucumber, I suggest you to delete your own post.
 
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