Hardcore Level (OU)

[UnderOATHfan]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Impish
Torrent
240 HP/216 Def/52 SpA

Stealth Rock
Ice Beam
Surf
Earthquake

My lead SR user. I use SR whenever I see an opening or at the very beginning (Provided they don't use Taunt). Ice Beam to handle annoying Dragons. Surf for a strong SpA STAB. While EQ is used as a powerful physical STAB. I've played around with him and found out he is able to withstand Explosion from certain pokemon. I originally used Protect, but I was having a hard time deciding if it was worth it for Ice Beam

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant
Technician
32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe

Swords Dance
Bullet Punch
Superpower
X-Scissor

Scizor is a great pokemon for any team. SD raises his already high Atk power to even an greater strength. Bullet Punch as a powerful STAB'd Priority move. Superpower for the agressive power he needs to take down opposing threats. X-Scissor is used just for a STAB Bug move. I've used him to break many walls, he has a hard time against Blissey. So I would like to find out a Solution

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Careful
252 HP/4 Def/252 SpD

Rest
Crunch
Selfdestruct
Earthquake

The original Fat wall before Blissey. Rest as a move to gain back HP and clear status conditions. Crunch to deal with Ghosts and Psychics. EQ is used when I feel it's neccessary. Selfdestruct as a suicide move, and it also gets a STAB. I used him as a Curselax before but I wasn't a big fan of it. So I feel this has a problem I am not noticing.

Weavile @ Expert Belt
Jolly
Pressure
40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spe

Pursuit
Ice Shard
Brick Break
Night Slash

My favorite revenge killer. Pursuit wrecks fleeing Psychics and Ghosts. Ice Shard as a STAB priority move. Brick Break as a way to destroy barriers, and inflict damage as well. Night Slash as very powerful STAB move. I used to run CB on him but I hated the lock you got into, so I replaced it with the Expert Belt. Did I make him better or worse?

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Bold
Levitate
252 HP/252 Def/4 SpA

Thunder Wave
Moonlight
Psychic
Ice Beam

My favorite wall on this team. Thunder Wave to inflict Paralysis onto the opponent. Moonlight as a way to heal herself. Psychic for the STAB and to hurt things like Infernape that wreck Snorlax. Ice Beam to deal with the Dragons. She has a problem with Sweepers though, so I want to find out what happens to be the problem

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
Intimidate
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe

Dragon Dance
Ice Fang
Taunt
Waterfall

My favorite Dragon Dancer. DD to raise his Atk and Spe to even higher levels. Ice Fang as a good move to handle other Dragons. Taunt to prevent SR, Spikes, etc. Waterfall as a powerful STAB flinching move. I mainly use him a way to avoid EQs, but I end up getting hit with Stone Edge instead. What should be used and what shouldn't?

Overall, I think this team will serve me for a while. If you notice anything that hurts my team just comment on what I should do.

 

[Luxormaniac]

I'm not experienced with Swampert leads, although I would suggest replacing Ice Beam with Protect or Roar. Roar can shuffle for SR damage and scout.

Scizor should be CB. BP/Superpower/U-turn/Pursuit is pretty fantastic, or if you feel you don't need another Pursuiter, Quick Attack in its place works excellently. You'll need to fix the EVs to Band him though. And how does Scizor have Blissey trouble? Scizor destroys Blissey.

...Honestly, why are there HP EVs on Weavile? He won't take much anyway, put them in Speed. Take Expert Belt off and give him a Life Orb. He'll still be destroyed by Scizor, though; consider a Magnezone to absorb Bullet Punch and KO.

And now for the bulk of your team, Cress and Lax. Neither one does much for your team; I get the feeling you just slapped them on there under the mentality "every team needs walls" and picked the bulkiest ones you could find not named SkarmBliss. This mentality is a lie. I'll give more suggestions later once I edit this.

EDIT: Suggestions continued. Now, Weavile carries a massive Scizor weak, apart from which it's rather nice. And since few, if any Scizor will risk U-turning on Weavile, a Magnezone could solve Weavile's worries and remove other Steels that interfere with it. So replace Snorlax with a ScarfZone, taking out most Steels with ease and absorbing Scizor's Bullet Punches to death.

Cress is rather lackluster in this metagame, and on your team a revenge killer may be desired. I'd recommend a ScarfMence for its surprise value and for its synergy with Magnezone.

Taunt is only useful on Lead Gyara; take it off and replace it with EQ or SE.

Hope this helps.

 

[UnderOATHfan]

I'm not experienced with Swampert leads, although I would suggest replacing Ice Beam with Protect or Roar. Roar can shuffle for SR damage and scout.

Scizor should be CB. BP/Superpower/U-turn/Pursuit is pretty fantastic, or if you feel you don't need another Pursuiter, Quick Attack in its place works excellently. You'll need to fix the EVs to Band him though. And how does Scizor have Blissey trouble? Scizor destroys Blissey.

...Honestly, why are there HP EVs on Weavile? He won't take much anyway, put them in Speed. Take Expert Belt off and give him a Life Orb. He'll still be destroyed by Scizor, though; consider a Magnezone to absorb Bullet Punch and KO.

And now for the bulk of your team, Cress and Lax. Neither one does much for your team; I get the feeling you just slapped them on there under the mentality "every team needs walls" and picked the bulkiest ones you could find not named SkarmBliss. This mentality is a lie. I'll give more suggestions later once I edit this.

EDIT: Suggestions continued. Now, Weavile carries a massive Scizor weak, apart from which it's rather nice. And since few, if any Scizor will risk U-turning on Weavile, a Magnezone could solve Weavile's worries and remove other Steels that interfere with it. So replace Snorlax with a ScarfZone, taking out most Steels with ease and absorbing Scizor's Bullet Punches to death.

Cress is rather lackluster in this metagame, and on your team a revenge killer may be desired. I'd recommend a ScarfMence for its surprise value and for its synergy with Magnezone.

Taunt is only useful on Lead Gyara; take it off and replace it with EQ or SE.

Hope this helps.

I already have a Revenge Killer, Weavile. Gyarados gets switched in on Skarmory, they set up spikes, I taunt, they can't Roar or Whirlwind. Cress I'm not taking out, it's useful and a works wonders on this team

 

[Revolution.Z]

Cool team most definitely. Text book team never fails on ladder.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Impish
Torrent
240 HP/216 Def/52 SpA

Stealth Rock
Ice Beam
Surf
Earthquake

hmm dont like the set all too much as your going down the lines of suicide and not playing to Pert's advantage of bulk. Maybe Roar so it can double up as a tank later in game shuffling your opponent.

You ruined the Weavile why the HP evs? Absolutely useless. What do u intend to do with them?

Hate that gyara bulky gyara is my gyara. Can take hits and can double up to intimidate shuffle and is one of the best scizor Counters alongside with Rotom appliances and Zappy.

Snorlax? It looks more like a physical bulky hitter than a wall. Curse is useful and that moveset really has quite bad coverage allowing numerous sweepers coming in on you with ease and setting up forcing you to Selfdestruct losing your only sp wall. curse maybe sleep talk on this set could help with ice punch and body slam for some awesome stuff and the Para from Body Slam is useful on sweepers and ice punch for the pesky dragons or you could even have Fire punch for scizor dont think you can harm meta too much though without a curse up as it will hit you hard and you cant 2HKO. Curse is VERY useful on snorlax a must really to give it some much needed def bulk. Curse really makes if superior to bliss in the taking hits from both sides of the spectrum.

Phychic on Cress. Meh... Not really coverage though you may think omg STAB i gotta put this on. It really is resisted by too many things to be useful. Infernape yes gets hit by it but thats about the only thing. Perhaps gengar as well but thats 2 in the OU tier not providing coverage. T-Bolt is a much more viable option taking out gyaras who think they can come in a ruin you.

I dont understand why Scizor has a problem against bliss? Easily one of the best blissey checks in the game. Why the HP investment? To survive something? Dont understand some of these pointless Ev investment mainly Weavile and Scizor.

Overall you need to look at your movesets.

Good Textbook team otherwise


SF(Strategy Focus)

 

[UnderOATHfan]

Cool team most definitely. Text book team never fails on ladder.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Impish
Torrent
240 HP/216 Def/52 SpA

Stealth Rock
Ice Beam
Surf
Earthquake

hmm dont like the set all too much as your going down the lines of suicide and not playing to Pert's advantage of bulk. Maybe Roar so it can double up as a tank later in game shuffling your opponent.

You ruined the Weavile why the HP evs? Absolutely useless. What do u intend to do with them?

Hate that gyara bulky gyara is my gyara. Can take hits and can double up to intimidate shuffle and is one of the best scizor Counters alongside with Rotom appliances and Zappy.

Snorlax? It looks more like a physical bulky hitter than a wall. Curse is useful and that moveset really has quite bad coverage allowing numerous sweepers coming in on you with ease and setting up forcing you to Selfdestruct losing your only sp wall. curse maybe sleep talk on this set could help with ice punch and body slam for some awesome stuff and the Para from Body Slam is useful on sweepers and ice punch for the pesky dragons or you could even have Fire punch for scizor dont think you can harm meta too much though without a curse up as it will hit you hard and you cant 2HKO. Curse is VERY useful on snorlax a must really to give it some much needed def bulk. Curse really makes if superior to bliss in the taking hits from both sides of the spectrum.

Phychic on Cress. Meh... Not really coverage though you may think omg STAB i gotta put this on. It really is resisted by too many things to be useful. Infernape yes gets hit by it but thats about the only thing. Perhaps gengar as well but thats 2 in the OU tier not providing coverage. T-Bolt is a much more viable option taking out gyaras who think they can come in a ruin you.

I dont understand why Scizor has a problem against bliss? Easily one of the best blissey checks in the game. Why the HP investment? To survive something? Dont understand some of these pointless Ev investment mainly Weavile and Scizor.

Overall you need to look at your movesets.

Good Textbook team otherwise


SF(Strategy Focus)

Thanks for the advice. I'm having trouble making a Snorlax that I find to suit my style. I'll try out Roar on Pert and see how it works, but what should I get rid of for roar?

 

[Oddish On Fire]

Your team leans way to far on the Physical side, leaving physical walls free reign. Skarmory could take this whole team with ease.

In my opinion, having Weaville AND Scizor on a team is repetitive. Replace one of them with a powerful special attacker.

 

[Luxormaniac]

I already have a Revenge Killer, Weavile. Gyarados gets switched in on Skarmory, they set up spikes, I taunt, they can't Roar or Whirlwind. Cress I'm not taking out, it's useful and a works wonders on this team

Weavile won't be revenging +1 Gyara, among a multitude of other things, and ScarfMence is rapidly becoming the Mence of choice among the elite. Skarmory usage is dropping rapidly, and you shouldn't really use a DD Gyara until late game once Spikes, etc. are a non-issue.

You ruined the Weavile why the HP evs? Absolutely useless. What do u intend to do with them?

Hate that gyara bulky gyara is my gyara. Can take hits and can double up to intimidate shuffle and is one of the best scizor Counters alongside with Rotom appliances and Zappy.

Snorlax? It looks more like a physical bulky hitter than a wall. Curse is useful and that moveset really has quite bad coverage allowing numerous sweepers coming in on you with ease and setting up forcing you to Selfdestruct losing your only sp wall. curse maybe sleep talk on this set could help with ice punch and body slam for some awesome stuff and the Para from Body Slam is useful on sweepers and ice punch for the pesky dragons or you could even have Fire punch for scizor dont think you can harm meta too much though without a curse up as it will hit you hard and you cant 2HKO. Curse is VERY useful on snorlax a must really to give it some much needed def bulk. Curse really makes if superior to bliss in the taking hits from both sides of the spectrum.

Phychic on Cress. Meh... Not really coverage though you may think omg STAB i gotta put this on. It really is resisted by too many things to be useful. Infernape yes gets hit by it but thats about the only thing. Perhaps gengar as well but thats 2 in the OU tier not providing coverage. T-Bolt is a much more viable option taking out gyaras who think they can come in a ruin you.

I dont understand why Scizor has a problem against bliss? Easily one of the best blissey checks in the game. Why the HP investment? To survive something? Dont understand some of these pointless Ev investment mainly Weavile and Scizor.
SF(Strategy Focus)

Agreed, drop Weavile's HP EVs. Disagreed, Scizor needs HP EVs, even for Swords Dancing. Although I'd still recommend CB Scizor.
I'd say give Gyara a third attack, but it's your choice.
Curselax really would be far superior to your current Lax, I suppose.
And Tbolt is better for Cress than Psychic.

Thanks for the advice. I'm having trouble making a Snorlax that I find to suit my style. I'll try out Roar on Pert and see how it works, but what should I get rid of for roar?

Ice Beam, there are no dragon leads but perhaps the odd Kingdra and SpecsMence (the latter of which died long ago).

Your team leans way to far on the Physical side, leaving physical walls free reign. Skarmory could take this whole team with ease.

In my opinion, having Weaville AND Scizor on a team is repetitive. Replace one of them with a powerful special attacker.

Skarmory usage is still dropping, its no surefire wall like it once was.
That's why I'm voting for a mixed ScarfMence over Cress and a Magnezone of some variety over Snorlax. Having similar counters is in fact a good thing, litlmc01: I've used successful teams that had both Infernape and Lucario spamming CC to draw out counters to each other. And Weavile and Scizor fill very different niches anyway; Weavile is a fragile sweeper whilst Scizor (at least my recommended CB variant) is a bulky scout. Having extra priority never hurts either.


Now to make more of my own points. I again stress the urgency of having a Magnezone. Sometime or other, you'll want to bring out Weavile (revenging a DD Mence, for example.) Then Scizor has to come out and Bullet Punch it. That's the perfect opportunity for Magnezone to absorb the BP, trap, and annihilate with HP Fire. Honestly, Weavile just can't survive in the Scizor metagame without Magnezone.