I use skarm to check all haxorus variants, but any SD variants still take a sizeable chunk out of his health before they are removed.
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Haxorus
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gloom and doom aside if it weren't for hax's speed tier, this set would make yache chomp look bad. 2hkoing skarm with a life orb is just to much for most people to handle.
And such was the case with Chesto Rest Kingdra and Boosting Terrakion. Now look what happened to them.
To be fair though, Haxorus is still relatively easy to stop if you lack the proper buffer for the right boosting move. I still hate that I'm forced to eliminate Skarmory and Ferrothorn first to this day.
On a semi-related note, it's currently in QC.
Nice work!
Haxorous's other option for that set is brick break... yeah its already a pretty useless slot.
Besides, one can use it to swords dance on slow defensive teams, raping them. OR dragon dance up and rape balanced and offensive teams. At the very least you leave massive holes in your opponents team for other pokemon to exploit.
Besides, one can use it to swords dance on slow defensive teams, raping them. OR dragon dance up and rape balanced and offensive teams. At the very least you leave massive holes in your opponents team for other pokemon to exploit.
OR if you somehow set up both decimate all teams, then hax gets hard to stop. you would need a lot of support to do this though, point is hax becomes much more versetile with both swords dance and dragon dance as now it can have the threat of swords dance without being revenged so easily while also chopping pokes that would wall dd into pieces
Thats wishful thinking, but you really don't need all those boosts when Haxorous 1HKOs Skarmory with outrage after just one swords dance. Most likely you will predict a switch wrong, try to boost again, and just die.
hax doesn't ohko skarm with outrage after 1 sd:
LO+2 hax vs max hp max def skarm 174 - 205 (52.10% - 61.38%)
and thats if you go for life orb it would be less with Dracoplate/lum berry
Why would it be a waste? Your gaining the ability to blast through pretty much anything on a stall team with the exception of Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Forretress, which can be taken out with lures and Magnezone trapping.
Oh sorry, I mixed it up with Gliscor.
specs latios scores a solid OHKO with DM but is basically setup fodder afterwards
not to mention it can't switch in
not to mention it can't switch in
I usually let something die and revenge kill it with either Mence or Excadrill. Haxorus almost never does too much damage unless I play stupdly or mispredict.
Counter? Nothing really counters it but Skarmory honestly. Wish + Protect Jirachi is a solid pivot for Band Outrage though (unless there are spikes & SR). Steelix and Forretress are good checks as well, except neither have reliable recovery and the former doesn't like Band EQ.
I think the best way to defeat a Haxorus is lure a poke for Haxxy to use Outrage, switch out to something that can take the Outrage and revenge-kill it. That being said, what pokes can switch in to an Outrage and still manage to outspeed it and revenge-kill it? Simply put, Haxorus is much too powerful to be allowed to sweep, it has to be taken out as fast as possible
You'd ideally want to switch in a Steel, except that there are only 3 steel types in the entire metagame that outspeed Haxorus(Durant can't do anything, barely anyone uses Cobalion, Jirachi can't kill iirc)...
Yeah, but most steels are fucking 2HKOd by Outrage anyways. Bronzong and Ferro are annhilated by EQ and BB respectively. The only real Hax switchin is Skarm.
That issue was addressed with Double Dancer, where Haxorus uses Swords Dance instead of Dragon Dance to deal a fuckton to Skarmory...
come to think of it, wouldn't it be possible for Skarm to pop his head in on SD then Whirlwind as he endures the +2 Outrage? The only situation in which he loses is if he ends up sending in Magnezone or something.
Yeah, and unless Skarmory is under 40%, it will successfully survive and phaze out Haxorus in all situations. The only way Haxorus will beat Skarmory is by using a Dragon Fang and a +2 Outrage. That's a monster for you.
Uh, the situation I described is exactly the same as if Haxorus was using the Double Dancer and max Attack/Dragon Fang.
Although, it IS possible to deal prior damage with Skarmory, and besides that, there's no way Skarmory can do this a 2nd time... unless you happen to be unlucky enough to have Blissey in or something...
Its probably more beneficial to just run another great physical attacker like Mence/ Conk/ Terrakion along with Double Dance Haxorus. They could weaken Skarm for another to break through. Its better to not sacrifice the coverage you could get with EQ not to mention more Mold Breaker abuse.
Wait, so you basically choose whichever move will work for you? It's not like you ever get both dances under your belt, right?
^Yea, it's highly unlikely that Haxorus would have 2 turns to set up both dances.
TM13, that's the point - Skarmory can take a hit once and phaze it out, but not the second time (although, that would require Haxorus to Swords Dance the 2nd time it's active). Having a party full of Pokemon that can put a pressure on Skarmory is ideal, or else Skarmory would find a chance to Roost.
New World Order, you don't lose in any coverage, since Outrage + EQ is all Haxorus really needs (other than DClaw / Dual Chop).
TM13, that's the point - Skarmory can take a hit once and phaze it out, but not the second time (although, that would require Haxorus to Swords Dance the 2nd time it's active). Having a party full of Pokemon that can put a pressure on Skarmory is ideal, or else Skarmory would find a chance to Roost.
New World Order, you don't lose in any coverage, since Outrage + EQ is all Haxorus really needs (other than DClaw / Dual Chop).
Yea, double dance will get phased the first time if you swap skarm in during the SD, but you will have dealt nothing to haxorus and have a weak skarm for the next round.
Without skarm, I have nothing that checks it. Instead of letting it sweep my entire team I just hit it on the SD/Dance and hope I do enough damage for a CB extremespeed from dragonite to take it down (assuming it doesn't switch out)
Without skarm, I have nothing that checks it. Instead of letting it sweep my entire team I just hit it on the SD/Dance and hope I do enough damage for a CB extremespeed from dragonite to take it down (assuming it doesn't switch out)