Honko's list of Pokemon that are better than Zangoose and may or may not need revamps

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Absol
  • All-Out Attacker should be the first set, and it should be 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe Naughty, as Fire Blast is the best option in the 4th slot.
  • Escavalier to C&C.
  • Mention Nidoqueen as a target for Psycho Cut.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: No
Aerodactyl
  • Mention Escavalier and Nidoqueen, other than that this is fine
  • Revamp: No
Ampharos
  • The first two sets look pretty terrible. Things it could maybe do in theory, but just aren't worth using on a competitive team. Remove those.
  • Choice Specs looks a little better, but it's mostly outclassed. It will need to be retested, and if we keep it, it will need to be rewritten to focus more on its role as a bulky pivot with good power.
  • RU-worthy: Probably not, but retest Specs
    [*]Revamp: Yes, if we keep it
Armaldo
  • Aqua Tail on the Swift Swim set. Three STAB moves!
  • I really, really hate slashing Seismic Toss on a mon with 125 base Atk, solid STAB and coverage options, and no recovery. We need to discuss that again.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: No
Braviary
  • Needs at least one non-Choice set added.
  • CB looks good, although LO + Roost is probably the best set.
  • Scarf has always been mediocre...I vote we delete it.
  • Defiant should be the main ability for all sets, Unreleased section can be removed.
  • Overview, OO, and C&C will need tweaks because Braviary won't always be Choiced anymore.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: Maybe
Camerupt
  • I'm gonna be revamping this.
  • Remove TR. If you can't set up TR yourself, you shouldn't get a set for it except the very very best. Basically Marowak and nobody else.
  • Retest Rock Polish. I don't think it's worth it, but I'll give it a shot.
  • Add offensive and defensive tank sets.
  • Emphasize its great synergy with TanKing.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: Yes, mine
Cofagrigus
  • OTR set is fine, although it could use an update to the teammates section (lol Beheeyem). HP Ground deserves a mention also.
  • Pain Split definitely needs to be on the defensive set.
  • Has anyone even used CM effectively? It's pretty rare and when I see it I never have trouble beating it.
  • Defensive and CM sets need general updates in terms of support, counters, etc.
  • OO has a bunch of stuff that shouldn't be mentioned at all. OO is for viable other options, not absolute crap like Heal Block and Fake Tears.
  • C&C needs a general update. A lot of those "counters" lose to the OTR set.
  • Revamp: Yes
Dragonair
  • Change defensive DD set to RestTalk with Marvel Scale.
  • Retest offensive DD set.
  • Rewrite C&C completely, it doesn't even mention Steel-types lol.
  • Mention Fire Blast on the offensive set if we keep it. Maybe even slash it. 2HKOes most Steels.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: Yes
Electrode
  • RU-worthy: No, goodbye
  • Revamp: No, goodbye
Feraligatr
  • No changes necessary. Perfect analysis. 10/10 and a gold star.
  • Revamp: No
Ferroseed
  • It can run SR + Spikes + Leech Seed together now.
  • Audino is mentioned in a serious analysis.
  • Revamp: Nah, this can be fixed with SCMS.
Gorebyss
  • Remove HP Fire slash.
  • Some weird examples in here. Choice Scarf Pinsir and Braviary aren't exactly RU mainstays.
  • C&C needs to be completely rewritten. Water Absorb Lanturn and Quagsire? Murkrow and Cottonee? Entei?
  • I'd like to see a bit in here about choosing between Gorebyss and Omastar as your Shell Smashing Water-type.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: Meh
Gurdurr
  • Mention Iron Fist and Ice Punch in AC.
  • Remove stuff about absorbing Toxic Spikes, since they're not relevant at all anymore.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: No
Haunter
  • The sets look OK, but I think this needs to be rewritten. Lots of misinformation and bad examples in here, much of which I suspect is the result of age and sloppy edits after tier shifts.
  • Add Escavalier as a counter.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: Probably
Kecleon
  • Is it usable? Yes. Should you use it? No.
  • RU-worthy: No
    [*]Revamp: No
Magmortar
  • This is already being revamped anyway (as it should be).
  • Revamp: Yeah
Mantine
  • Mantine sucks. It's like Munchlax in that it does no damage and relies on RestTalk for recovery and will never get a chance to wake up and heal a second time. But it's also SR weak and walls a lot fewer things. Not technically outclassed, but not at all good.
  • RU-worthy: No, so long
  • Revamp: No, farewell
Omastar
  • Toxic Spikes to AC on the support set.
  • Consider giving the defensive set some SpD EVs
  • Revamp: No
Regice
  • Needs to be retested in general.
  • Fuck Seismic Toss.
  • Fuck Rock Polish.
  • Fuck Life Orb.
  • RU-worthy: Probably
  • Revamp: Yes, if we keep it
Roselia
  • Holy Escavalier bait.
  • HP Fire deserves at least an AC mention and probably a slash.
  • There should be more mention of Psychics in C&C since Psyshock is the standard STAB for them now.
  • Revamp: No
Tauros
  • Looks good. EQ OHKOes Nidoqueen and Fire Blast owns Escavalier, so Tauros doesn't really care about them. The only real change is that Fire Blast is now clearly the #1 option for the last slot.
  • RU-worthy: Yes
  • Revamp: No
Ursaring
  • As much as I love Village Crusher as a set name, Guts is almost completely outclassed by Zangoose now. Its Crunch is noticeably stronger than Zangoose's Night Slash, allowing it to take down Cofagrigus and Spiritomb better, but that's really all it has going for it. Guts to OO.
  • Quick Feet is alright. It outspeeds a lot of things Zangoose misses out on (everything from Moltres to Manectric) and still has excellent power.
  • Analysis needs to talk about Zangoose. Compare them, talk about when you should pick Zangoose and when you should pick Ursaring, and talk about using them together because the more Normal-types on your team the better.
  • RU-worthy: Sure
  • Revamp: Yeah
 
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