It can't wall any of the three wallbreakers because it doesn't have access to recovery. It CAN, however counter Gardevoir so long as Hoopa is reasonably healthy. It can't counter Medicham, but it can check it if it gets in free/ switches in on a fighting move.
Wall, counter sorry was being loose with the terms there bud as ment counter (and idk being immune to one stab and resistant mega chamois other works very well usually) And I was saying I can't do calcs cause I can't do calcs on the phone ( or I should say iPad as for some reason it doesn't twang to fully load the calculator page).... :|
If ya say so then
Hoopz isnt the kind of mon who will sweep unless you are against stall and sitting against a sub with 2hazard layers,or he is at the same scenario with a scarf and no resistant mon is on the enemy side, or plain life orb attacking with again sr on and sticky web on the field...all are rather shaky sweep conditions if you ask me And all of those need support from other mons while he cannot switch in easily, he needs some investment to reach a reasonable 3hko mark after SR from seceral threats.
Well, I guess Hoopa's gonna need to set up a bit before it can actually sweep an opponent completely but I'm sure he'll get the opportunity to st up after he switches into a scarfed meinshao's or terrakion's fighting type move or a scarfed gardevoir's or latios' psychic type move or maybe even a choice specs boomburst.
Yeah thanks for specifying it. I remember the name from somewhere(maybe from the beginning of the thread), but didn't know its power and additional affects. What Hoopa needed was a powerful ghost type attack. Giving it a psyschock with special damage and lower PP isn't good, even if it ignores accuracy and evasion. It needs something that can help it KO some pokemon and I don't think this is enough.
It's one-turn.
Okay for sore reason I couldn't get the nagging but fro. People who said it was two turn out out of my head earlier. Thank kindly :D
It is just not happening. He doesn't have a good set up move, aside from PuP, which again isn't even that good since he doesn't have a good physical movepool, and doesn't have high powered STABs -- ghost has low BP moves -- so it is just too much effort to get him going when there are better options. Hoopa's typing makes even lower tiers a struggle in as much that Doublade with Shadow Sneak is quite popular.... What Hoopa needs more than a ghost attack would be a mega evolution to fix its speed tier at the very least, which Diancie has given hope for, that aside it is just straining it to make Hoopa sweep when there are better alternatives with better BP moves.
Check the movepool list in the OP, it gets Calm Mind.
All of them are certainly interesting. The first one probably isn't fast enough to pull it off, as cool as it seems, since it speed ties with Breloom, who can Spore it and break the Sash with Bullet Seed and Mamoswine outspeeds, though it could face both defensive and Scarf Lando-T without much issue, since it generally outspeeds the former and can steal the Scarf from the latter, provided it uses Knock Off.
No one is saying it's gonna be a great mon, rather the discussion has been about whether it can carve itself some sorta niche. And keep in mind his dark and ghost weaknesses are his only weaknesses so as long as those aren't threatening Hoopa it can be a dangerous mon. Of course it will have a hard time and outclassed by other ghosts like Gengar and Chandelure majority of the time but 150 spa and 130 spd is nothing to scoff at.
I still don't see too much of a niche, outside of being gimmicky for hoopa
I guess it has a good typing for stall since it is neutral to common stall mons, the only problem is stall is becoming less and less common so that niche isn't very appealing and seems very team matchup based
Assault Vest is complete Pursuit bait since it's slow and has no protection from Substitute. It also has no recovery, meaning that hazards, statuses and attacks are going to wear it down much more quickly than Conkeldurr or Goodra, who at least have either a form of recovery or extreme bulk.
Also probably a Doubles thing, since Sitrus Berries and the like are somewhat common. However, on certain sets in Singles like Sub + 3 Attacks, Hoopa can afford to carry a Sitrus Berry or no item at all, but I'd agree that Magician is still a poor ability for it and Delphox as a whole.
