why isnt this the main breakdown when i click this link on google?
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Pokémon Houndoom
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252+ SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Tyranitar in Sun: 388-458 (96 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
This thing is scary....
This thing is scary....
A Sucker Punch set would be pretty good to go against Gengar and could be a good check to Scarf Gengar since it can only really hit Doom with Focus Blast
Indeed.
252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-W in Sun: 147-173 (48.3 - 56.9%) -- 38.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'm using Fire Blast in a scenario where the opponent switched into Rotom-W. After the Fire Blast, you can proceed by wiping Rotom W using Solar Beam or finish it off with another Fire Blast or Dark Pulse.
Under the Sun, Mega Houndoom can 2hko most water Pokemons with Fire Blast.
252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo in Sun: 231-273 (71.5 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Starmie in Sun: 243-286 (93.1 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill in Sun: 255-301 (63.1 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (You would obviously switch out as Azumarills Aqua Jet can fuck Houndoom up, but its good to know that Fire Blast does such huge damage against water pokemons)
I personally use this set:
MF DOOM (Houndoom) @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Speed / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Destiny Bond
- Nasty Plot
I don't see Solar Beam being necessary. Dark Pulse + Fire Blast hits everything neutrally. The only thing Houndoom can't hit is Keldeo and I usually take out Keldeo using Destiny Bond.
It also misses out on MegaDos and Azumarill, and while I suppose you could just DBond them, too, it seems more efficient to hit them with Solar Beam.
Slightly off topic, but we have the same houndoom name ( haha!) What would you guys consider great partners for Houndoom (besides the obvious sunny day users) to help his checks, counters, etc?
But you need a sun setter or Ninetails for Solar Beam, Destiny Bond doesn't need anything. I find Houndoom to frail to be last long in the game, so I usually settle for 2 KOs and then Destiny Bond.
Haha, awesome. I actually wanted to name it Victor Vaughn but I settled for MF.
I think Ferrothorn would be a decent partner, but its weak to Fighting moves, so I'm not really sure. Thinking about it, no body in my team is actually a good partner for Houndoom. (Crawdaunt, Zapdos, Espeon, Galvantula and T-Tar)
How about Venusaur? Chlorophyll Venusaur can still wreck things under the sun, and it can take any Water or Fighting type moves Houndoom may fear. Furthermore, it can put a potential counter to sleep. In return, Houndoom can handle all Fire, Ice, and Psychic type moves that make Venu shudder. You can also play mind games with your opponent over which of your Pokemon is holding the Mega Stone.
Just a thought.
Houndoom isn't even viable without it's Megastone and even with the Megastone, it's not as viable as most Pokemon in OU so your Opponent would know who your Mega is Off Top.
*Imagine seeing Houndoom and Venusar on the same team. Your first impression would be Venusaur, but Houndoom is Garbage without a Boost so most likely your Opponent will use Houndoominite. He knows who your Mega Is without even thinking twice about it. That's no kind of Mind Game at all.
Why not Prankster Whimsicott as Sun Setter and Leech Seeder over Regular Venusuar?
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Ferrothorn could also provide the additional benefit of luring Fire moves to activate Flash Fire before Mega-Evolving Houndoom (or maybe that would discourage people from using Fire-type moves to take out Ferro). Sounds like a pretty great partnership to me!
Azumarill hits just about every Pokemon that resists Houndoom's STABs; save other Azumarill, every single one of them is weak to either Fairy or Water. Their typings go fairly well together defensively as well. You'll want a Thundurus switchin though - a paralyzed Houndoom is a dead Houndoom.
Forgot about that, great luring. Not to mention its great to switch in into Ferro when you predict a U-Turn.
So I started using this guy on my Dark Mono team. I thought it was a fluke when I OHKO'd a mega Venusaur in the sun with Fire Blast, but I did the calcs and sure enough. This thing hits like a nuclear missile! Aside from Sableeye, who can prankster sun set, what would good dark type partners be? I think he's potent enough where the team can be built around him.
Mandibuzz would be a decent switch in to avoid earthquakes and to keep entry hazards out of the game. Krookodile resists Rock, neutral to Ground but shares a weakness in Water, while Houndoom covers up for its Grass and Ice weaknesses. Scrafty only shares one weakness with Houndoom in fighting, but I'm not sure how good Scrafty can be in OU. Assault Vest T-Tar shares many weaknesses and has many
weaknesses, but under Sand, it can take any non fighting special attack and laugh it of. But summoning sandstorm is counter productive if you're counting on the sun.
Since Houndoom's HP decreases in the sun, and its a bit frail, wouldn't dual screens be a decent option to soften the blows Houndoom takes? And I think you might need a wish passing Pokemon, maybe Umbreon.
Mega Houndoom never lasted long for me, in best case scenario I beat 2 Pokemons after setting up a Nasty Plot and then take out the 3rd one with Destiny Bond. So you might want to have another offensive powerhouse in your team, maybe T-Tar (Which creates the Sand vs Sun problem) or scarfed Hydreigon.
I just wanted to do a stat comparison, and this thing is far more powerful than M-Zard Y:
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew in Sun: 313-370 (91.7 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew in Sun: 427-504 (125.2 - 147.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This gives Mega Houndoom an effective 235 SpA (if i did it right) under Sun with a Timid nature!
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew in Sun: 313-370 (91.7 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew in Sun: 427-504 (125.2 - 147.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This gives Mega Houndoom an effective 235 SpA (if i did it right) under Sun with a Timid nature!
Of course it is, its base SpA is only 9 points lower and it gets an effective +1 from the sun being up. The problem is having to set the sun in order to have that power boost, as well as the extra damage that Houndoom is taking each turn. I think Houndoom is much better off running Nasty Plot, and Energy Ball if you miss the Solarbeam coverage (+2 Energy Ball will always be stronger than a Solar Powered Solar Beam, and has the bonus of never being screwed over by a sand/rain setter coming in). The only Pokemon that I can think of that a Nasty Plot set isn't stronger against are Tyranitar and Mega Tyranitar, and those only if you use Sunny Day as they switch in, overriding their Sandstorm.
I love this dog
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-109790494
(I know that I'm a retard trying to roar Espeon)
Setting up a sun for it is kinda daunting and Pokemons with Sand Stream create big issues, but under the sun, this thing 1hkos most things.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-109790494
(I know that I'm a retard trying to roar Espeon)
Setting up a sun for it is kinda daunting and Pokemons with Sand Stream create big issues, but under the sun, this thing 1hkos most things.
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Jesus, that battle hurt. Shiftry did most the work, Houndoom honestly was not showcased well at all in this battle :/.
Yeah, I made many wrong predictions. (For some reason I always forget about magic bounce) and I didn't expect Excadrill to stay on Gliscor, thus I went for Knock Off instead of EQ.
It all came down to Houndoom in the end. There was noway I could beat Tornadus-T without Houndoom.
I'll say it again, give Jumpluff a shot. It's an amazing partner. With great speed it can put one counter to sleep with Sleep Powder, set up either Sunny Day or Reflect, and use Memento to get Houndoom in well while potentially netting you a Flash Fire boost as well. They just go so damn well together. A Latias is also good with Defog, screens and Healing Wish while being immune to Ground and resisting Water and Fighting.
Wouldn't Whimsicott be a better choice? It's faster, got Prankster, better typing and can do almost everything Jumpluff can do except putting other Pokemons on sleep.
What EV spread you'd suggest for Latias?
Well that's your choice but Whimsicott also cannot use Reflect and the defenses are 75/70/95 vs 60/85/75 Jumpluff to Whimsicott respectively. Whimsicott has some nice resistances but Jumpluff's much better special defense and HP plus Sleep Powder and Reflect I think puts it over the edge.
For the sole purpose of supporting Houndoom, Timid 252 Hp / 252 Spd is pretty good.
For the sole purpose of supporting Houndoom, Timid 252 Hp / 252 Spd is pretty good.
Which is why you use Nasty Plot instead.
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