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sorry for the double post, but I think my other post is long enough and I had to click submit before my library session ended.
I want to address a few more things here
1. I am definitely not one of those kids who are alive and awake at 3AM getting smashed or w/e, to whoever brought it up
I've never smoked or consumed alcohol and I dont look forward to doing either. I treat EVERYBODY with a great deal of respect with the exception of my parents because I simply hate them.
Before you start criticizing how ridiculous that statement is, I'll tell you a little story.
Like I've said, the only means of punishment that my parents possess is calling the cops, so before I turned 16, there was almost nothing the cops can do about me. My parents used to beat me before they found out that they usually left the room with a bloody nose every time they tried, and you cant blame me for wanting to defend myself. surely I cant just sit there and let them hit me. "Yea but they're your parents" to which I respond, "Yea but i no longer consider them as such" I recognized them as people I have to share a house with for a little while longer, after which point I will never see or speak to them again. They better start acting nicer to my sister, not because I care for my sister all that much, but because she is probably the only one who will care for them when they grow old.
So anyways, those 4 or 5 times the cops came when I was 12-15, they simply sent me to a mental hospital. 4 or 5 times. I was immediately discharged except for one time they kept me for like 2 days cus they wanted to do some brain scan, because they thought that I had some kind of mental problem that was causing me to act in such a detrimental way towards my parents.
they figured, this kid has no problems in school, no problems with strangers he meets on the streets, the only 2 people he seems to have a problem with are his mother and his father. How can that be?
When they did the brain scan, they concluded that I was 100% normal, that I was acting on my own free will. What a brilliant discovery that was, cant believe it took 4 visits to reach it. They gave me some anger pills that I dismissed right away because I didnt believe that I needed them, and I dont think the doctors did either, but they prescribed them anyway for the formality of everything.
Of course, the 5 times that I went to the hospital, I went by ambulance and waited in the ER, so my parents had to pay like 6000 for every visit, so I considered it a fail trade off. Wasting a day of my life in exchange for my parents losing 6000 dollars seems like a pretty fair deal to me.
(I have the most minimal of health coverage plans)
Now do you see why I hate my parents so much? They used to beat me, and when they couldnt anymore they tried to get me placed in a group home or in jail. They said that I was committing assault, I thought they were out of their mind and didnt pay attention to them. As of now, there hasnt been a time in the last 4 years that they've hit me without me hitting them back, you can bet that everytime I hit them, my parents called the police.
The closest that I came to being charged with assault was, now that I think of it, not at all. The only thing that came out of these "assaults" has been some trips to the therapist, which, to my amusement, also drains my parents' funds for every session. And my parents make just enough to pay the bills, yet they seem determined for me to be served justice, which still hasnt happened yet.
I'll bet they're downright disappointed the knife charge got thrown out.
Anyways I have another legal situation to speak of at another time, I cant believe I just spent my lunch break typing all of this.
I want to address a few more things here
1. I am definitely not one of those kids who are alive and awake at 3AM getting smashed or w/e, to whoever brought it up
I've never smoked or consumed alcohol and I dont look forward to doing either. I treat EVERYBODY with a great deal of respect with the exception of my parents because I simply hate them.
Before you start criticizing how ridiculous that statement is, I'll tell you a little story.
Like I've said, the only means of punishment that my parents possess is calling the cops, so before I turned 16, there was almost nothing the cops can do about me. My parents used to beat me before they found out that they usually left the room with a bloody nose every time they tried, and you cant blame me for wanting to defend myself. surely I cant just sit there and let them hit me. "Yea but they're your parents" to which I respond, "Yea but i no longer consider them as such" I recognized them as people I have to share a house with for a little while longer, after which point I will never see or speak to them again. They better start acting nicer to my sister, not because I care for my sister all that much, but because she is probably the only one who will care for them when they grow old.
So anyways, those 4 or 5 times the cops came when I was 12-15, they simply sent me to a mental hospital. 4 or 5 times. I was immediately discharged except for one time they kept me for like 2 days cus they wanted to do some brain scan, because they thought that I had some kind of mental problem that was causing me to act in such a detrimental way towards my parents.
they figured, this kid has no problems in school, no problems with strangers he meets on the streets, the only 2 people he seems to have a problem with are his mother and his father. How can that be?
When they did the brain scan, they concluded that I was 100% normal, that I was acting on my own free will. What a brilliant discovery that was, cant believe it took 4 visits to reach it. They gave me some anger pills that I dismissed right away because I didnt believe that I needed them, and I dont think the doctors did either, but they prescribed them anyway for the formality of everything.
Of course, the 5 times that I went to the hospital, I went by ambulance and waited in the ER, so my parents had to pay like 6000 for every visit, so I considered it a fail trade off. Wasting a day of my life in exchange for my parents losing 6000 dollars seems like a pretty fair deal to me.
(I have the most minimal of health coverage plans)
Now do you see why I hate my parents so much? They used to beat me, and when they couldnt anymore they tried to get me placed in a group home or in jail. They said that I was committing assault, I thought they were out of their mind and didnt pay attention to them. As of now, there hasnt been a time in the last 4 years that they've hit me without me hitting them back, you can bet that everytime I hit them, my parents called the police.
The closest that I came to being charged with assault was, now that I think of it, not at all. The only thing that came out of these "assaults" has been some trips to the therapist, which, to my amusement, also drains my parents' funds for every session. And my parents make just enough to pay the bills, yet they seem determined for me to be served justice, which still hasnt happened yet.
I'll bet they're downright disappointed the knife charge got thrown out.
Anyways I have another legal situation to speak of at another time, I cant believe I just spent my lunch break typing all of this.
nah I didnt even meet my judge yet.
but why?
and what does it have to do with that quote
am i in serious trouble again
lol, Firestorm. I like akuchi's comments the most though as that is what my stand is on this, but if I was in the same position as you, I would plead guilty and just face the punishment.
edit: Reading your above to posts, I really hope you get some jail time for reflections, and possibly a psychiatrist. You are very arrogant, but I have one question, what did they hit you for? And why the fuck would hit them back, just call child support or the cops yourself.
edit: Reading your above to posts, I really hope you get some jail time for reflections, and possibly a psychiatrist. You are very arrogant, but I have one question, what did they hit you for? And why the fuck would hit them back, just call child support or the cops yourself.
you hope and hope, but what if my parents do have to pay for it?
You cant deny that you dont find the tiniest of irony in that
yea akuchi's stance does seem to be quite popular doesnt it.
Why would anyone EVER plea guilty to something if there is still chance that he or she can be cleared of all charges, challenge the state to prove everything and if they dont then itll be their loss
They won't have to, according to what you said, and how they called the police and how you hit them back, you could be in juvenile detention, plus you apparently beat the shit out of them. You are going to be paying the fine, maybe even the jail time. You were threatening your parents with a knife, can you honestly not see how that was the worst thing to do in your situation?
I just have something I believe would be of interest to him or her about your case.
And why did your parents beat you? Of what ethnic background are you from?
flying, if anything you said was true, then you should've called the cops yourself. your parents would've been put in jail years ago and you would have been either put into foster care or (as you are 16 now) emancipated.
akuchi in this case is still right, though. there was another option but you choose to threaten your parents. you commited a crime and have to deal with the consequences. way you can get off is showing that it was self-defense after years of abuse.
if there was no self-defense in this case, you can still be emancipated, but you are still legally fucked.
akuchi in this case is still right, though. there was another option but you choose to threaten your parents. you commited a crime and have to deal with the consequences. way you can get off is showing that it was self-defense after years of abuse.
if there was no self-defense in this case, you can still be emancipated, but you are still legally fucked.
I'll just string things together because I can't believe how ridiculous you are.
What is there to be sympathetic too? You committed a crime and you have a terrible sense of entitlement about it, you aren't a sympathetic character in the slightest.
Furthermore, I question whether your side of the story is even true. What you are describing is not disorderly conduct and no prosecutor or officer would recognize it as such. I highly doubt the whole story is "you were walking and listening to your ipod."
Yeah, this thread is ridiculous. Your story about your parents is nonsensical because the police and mental health professionals (these guys are ALWAYS looking for child abuse so would be completely sympathetic to your idea) should've picked up on the abuse since they were called so many times. Your story about the hospital doesn't make any sense. Most medical doctors aren't going to give you a "brain scan", whatever that is since there are many kinds, to determine whether you have emotional or anger problems unless they are looking for a tumor or something. They also don't prescribe "anger pills" (again whatever those are) just for kicks. Your story of your arrest and charges doesn't conform to any legal explanation, which tells me there clearly is more that occurred.
I'm calling it that you are either lying or have a completely distorted opinion of reality where you falsely victimize yourself. This would also be consistent with your lack of empathy (for your sister), your arrogance, and your sense of entitlement.
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What is there to be sympathetic too? You committed a crime and you have a terrible sense of entitlement about it, you aren't a sympathetic character in the slightest.
You brought a knife to threaten your parents? That's just scary. If it got to the point when you need a knife to "protect" yourself, why wouldn't you just call the police?
Furthermore, I question whether your side of the story is even true. What you are describing is not disorderly conduct and no prosecutor or officer would recognize it as such. I highly doubt the whole story is "you were walking and listening to your ipod."
I said several times most judges dealing with juveniles are going to make you pay it back with a job. If you don't want to, have fun in a juvenile detention center! Judges don't punish your parents because you screwed up, even if you are a minor. That would be pointless and every judge realizes that.
So basically you don't care if they beat your sister? Clearly, you are an excellent older brother. Grow the fuck up and try giving a shit about someone else besides yourself. I don't care if you had a rough childhood, or even if you don't like your sister, she's a human being and it's not like you shouldn't give a shit about her suffering.
Emergency visits are covered by EMTALA, if your parents don't have coverage for emergency visits you'd be covered under that with no reimbursement to the hospital so I don't know what they are paying for.
So, the police never interviewed you? Really? Did you lie to them? If they really "beat" you or tried to attack you as you claimed, there would be evidence of this on your body and they would contact CPS and have them open an investigation, particularly with a recurring incident. The second you tell a cop you were acting in self-defense to abusive parents, they would quickly remove you (and your sister) to a temporary home and get CPS to open an investigation. That's just standard, they don't immediately assume you are crazy and your parents are telling the truth.
Because in the majority of the cases the evidence is a slam dunk (as it probably is in your case) and you'll get a lighter sentence if you plead guilty. That's why. Fun fact, judges aren't sympathetic to you if it's a slam dunk case and you plead "not guilty", they'll just hit you with the maximum penalty. You'd be much smarter to plead guilty.
Yeah, this thread is ridiculous. Your story about your parents is nonsensical because the police and mental health professionals (these guys are ALWAYS looking for child abuse so would be completely sympathetic to your idea) should've picked up on the abuse since they were called so many times. Your story about the hospital doesn't make any sense. Most medical doctors aren't going to give you a "brain scan", whatever that is since there are many kinds, to determine whether you have emotional or anger problems unless they are looking for a tumor or something. They also don't prescribe "anger pills" (again whatever those are) just for kicks. Your story of your arrest and charges doesn't conform to any legal explanation, which tells me there clearly is more that occurred.
I'm calling it that you are either lying or have a completely distorted opinion of reality where you falsely victimize yourself. This would also be consistent with your lack of empathy (for your sister), your arrogance, and your sense of entitlement.
Having read this all, your a bloody disgrace, with all the knife crime there is at the moment the last thing we need is some other arrogant little shit not in prison, you get a knife to threaten your parents and then have a go at someone for not being sympathetic to you. You don't deserve it!
This the same guy that made himself a huge victim over a potential eye condition, remember? I see a pattern here.
I think you deserve all of the flak you're getting from the community here, and you probably deserve what you're going to get from the judge too...but I still hope that you can eventually see what you really are and understand why you are being treated so badly by everybody.
I think you deserve all of the flak you're getting from the community here, and you probably deserve what you're going to get from the judge too...but I still hope that you can eventually see what you really are and understand why you are being treated so badly by everybody.
I'm actually sorry for trying to help you out earlier, clearly you aren't remorseful for your actions, which is pretty scary to be honest. Why in the hell do you think your parents would pay the fine? You probably won't get off too easily considering your attitude, which needs a major overhaul. I'm thinking you should go to jail to get your act together. Or therapy.
yea sure firestorm
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caelum, I thought I made it clear to everyone that
1. I receieved 2 seperate tickets , one for disorderly conduct and another one for the knife
and
2. When I showed up in court today, the clerk scanned my summons and told me the one about the knife was thrown out from the court system because the police officer messed up in filling it out or something
So the only charge against me as it stands, is disorderly conduct which isnt even that bad
However, this topic is not over, I have another legal case that im typing up right now so just wait for a bit while I finish up the details
and to whoever said that Im ommitting/altering details to my advantage, what advantage?
Here is what truthfully happened:
1. Me and my parents fight
2. I take knife, tell them "I'll be back later" I dont know how they or you guys would interpret that
3. Naturally, it would look mightily weird if you saw some random muthafucka carrying a knife around walking on the sidewalk. So I toss the knife into a bush
4. My parents called the police, police finds me walking, doesnt find the knife on me but convinces me to lead them to the knife
5. They give me a summons for AR2, 10-133 (b): Possession of a knife greater than four inches, a violation worthy of a C-Summons, and disorderly conduct: 240.20 causing or threatening to cause an hazardous situation without any legit purpose
6. The C-summons for 10-133 (b) gets thrown out in court because the officer messed up, All that is still against me atm is disorderly conduct, which I will go back to court for at a later date.
I also have another court date coming up in 2 weeks...
P.S. I dont see how its my fault, my parents started the conflict, its not like I woke up and the first thing I do is run for a knife when my parents didnt even do anything.
Caelum, those arnt stories, I can give you precise details, like:
1. I was prescribed abilify and welbutrin
2. I was given an MRI scan
3. Those police reports that they made when my parents called were filed under DRIs
4. The ACS, administration for children's services, were in fact involved after my parents called the police the second or third time, when I made my counterclaims
5. For a year, nothing major happened so the ACS close their case on our family, but the tension doesnt really go away
6. Here we are today
@Alamaster: I dont know, someone told me
@Sikh assasin: I didnt beat the shit out of them, I said for a time when I was 12 years old up until I was 15 years old, me and my parents had fights between us. never did one party sit there and turn a blind cheek to the other party hitting them
I have seen various psychiatrists, they found nothing wrong with me after a few sessions
and they hit me because I refused to give in to their demands. I shouldnt HAVE to submit to their commands
and I hit them back because, If I called the cops myself, given my past history with the police, they would probably blame the situation on me and take me away instead.
True incident: My parents hit me, I call the police. When the police come, my parents say, no he didnt get that gash from me, probably ran into a branch. Police say: "OK kid, ur delusional, ur parents didnt do anything, lets get you checked out in a mental hospital.
When my parents did in fact hit me...
@akuchi: No I dont have that, Im sure
@joel: the knife charge got thrown out! OK? you think people should serve jail time for disorderly conduct alone? If a random fool blasts his music too loud in the presence of a cop, he isnt going to jail. thats about the same level of a "crime
as I have, a C-summons violation
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caelum, I thought I made it clear to everyone that
1. I receieved 2 seperate tickets , one for disorderly conduct and another one for the knife
and
2. When I showed up in court today, the clerk scanned my summons and told me the one about the knife was thrown out from the court system because the police officer messed up in filling it out or something
So the only charge against me as it stands, is disorderly conduct which isnt even that bad
However, this topic is not over, I have another legal case that im typing up right now so just wait for a bit while I finish up the details
and to whoever said that Im ommitting/altering details to my advantage, what advantage?
Here is what truthfully happened:
1. Me and my parents fight
2. I take knife, tell them "I'll be back later" I dont know how they or you guys would interpret that
3. Naturally, it would look mightily weird if you saw some random muthafucka carrying a knife around walking on the sidewalk. So I toss the knife into a bush
4. My parents called the police, police finds me walking, doesnt find the knife on me but convinces me to lead them to the knife
5. They give me a summons for AR2, 10-133 (b): Possession of a knife greater than four inches, a violation worthy of a C-Summons, and disorderly conduct: 240.20 causing or threatening to cause an hazardous situation without any legit purpose
6. The C-summons for 10-133 (b) gets thrown out in court because the officer messed up, All that is still against me atm is disorderly conduct, which I will go back to court for at a later date.
I also have another court date coming up in 2 weeks...
P.S. I dont see how its my fault, my parents started the conflict, its not like I woke up and the first thing I do is run for a knife when my parents didnt even do anything.
Caelum, those arnt stories, I can give you precise details, like:
1. I was prescribed abilify and welbutrin
2. I was given an MRI scan
3. Those police reports that they made when my parents called were filed under DRIs
4. The ACS, administration for children's services, were in fact involved after my parents called the police the second or third time, when I made my counterclaims
5. For a year, nothing major happened so the ACS close their case on our family, but the tension doesnt really go away
6. Here we are today
@Alamaster: I dont know, someone told me
@Sikh assasin: I didnt beat the shit out of them, I said for a time when I was 12 years old up until I was 15 years old, me and my parents had fights between us. never did one party sit there and turn a blind cheek to the other party hitting them
I have seen various psychiatrists, they found nothing wrong with me after a few sessions
and they hit me because I refused to give in to their demands. I shouldnt HAVE to submit to their commands
and I hit them back because, If I called the cops myself, given my past history with the police, they would probably blame the situation on me and take me away instead.
True incident: My parents hit me, I call the police. When the police come, my parents say, no he didnt get that gash from me, probably ran into a branch. Police say: "OK kid, ur delusional, ur parents didnt do anything, lets get you checked out in a mental hospital.
When my parents did in fact hit me...
@akuchi: No I dont have that, Im sure
@joel: the knife charge got thrown out! OK? you think people should serve jail time for disorderly conduct alone? If a random fool blasts his music too loud in the presence of a cop, he isnt going to jail. thats about the same level of a "crime
as I have, a C-summons violation
you took a knife. and promised to come back [presumably with the knife - any reasonable person would expect that]
how does it not strike you how fucking serious this is?
you're like 'look at me, I'm a victim' about it all, even about the fact you informed the officer where the knife is (which is the only semi-decent thing you did through the whole shebang, yet you're playing it up as 'I was fooled!')
you walked out of that house in a state with a lethal weapon. saying you were going to return.
you're fucking lucky your parents still let you live there, fuck knows I wouldn't. bolded because I cannot emphasise it enough. you're seeing yourself as the victim over and over when your parents seem to be trying to help you. They care. They want to get you therapy. They love you. If they didn't, and they weren't fantastic (if misguided) people, they'd have kicked your backside into touch a long, long time ago.
You'll probably reply to this with BUT THEY'RE SO SADISTIC THEY KEEP ME AROUND AND GET ME TREATMENT JUST TO SEE ME SUFFER, which is bull. If they're that bad they're an immediate danger to both you and your sister (who you charmingly don't give a stuff about) and you should take it to the cops right away. But you won't, because you're wrong.
You're wrong in the head, dude. You display a frankly terrifying lack of responsibility and empathy.
how does it not strike you how fucking serious this is?
you're like 'look at me, I'm a victim' about it all, even about the fact you informed the officer where the knife is (which is the only semi-decent thing you did through the whole shebang, yet you're playing it up as 'I was fooled!')
you walked out of that house in a state with a lethal weapon. saying you were going to return.
you're fucking lucky your parents still let you live there, fuck knows I wouldn't. bolded because I cannot emphasise it enough. you're seeing yourself as the victim over and over when your parents seem to be trying to help you. They care. They want to get you therapy. They love you. If they didn't, and they weren't fantastic (if misguided) people, they'd have kicked your backside into touch a long, long time ago.
You'll probably reply to this with BUT THEY'RE SO SADISTIC THEY KEEP ME AROUND AND GET ME TREATMENT JUST TO SEE ME SUFFER, which is bull. If they're that bad they're an immediate danger to both you and your sister (who you charmingly don't give a stuff about) and you should take it to the cops right away. But you won't, because you're wrong.
You're wrong in the head, dude. You display a frankly terrifying lack of responsibility and empathy.
Nah I dont regret telling the cop where the knife was
but about the knife, it was a kitchen knife. As you describe it, every household in america has a lethal weapon so you seem to claim
They still let me live here because they dont have a choice in the matter. the ACS said they have the obligation to do so, and believe me, my parents tried to get me in jail or group home, but one time the cops came and told my mom.
We can arrest him, do you want that to happen? My mom says, what happens next, after you arrest him? The cops says "He'll be in arraignment for about a day, but if hes being charged with this(which is to say, nothing of criminal significance) he'll be right back here tommorrow. You cant just kick him out at age 16."
My parents say "oh darn it"
Cops say, yea, it sucks, but thats how it works.
And if they were fantastic people as you call them, they wouldnt call the cops at every little mishap. They are doing so with the intent of getting me in trouble. If they wanted me to get therapy, they would call a therapy hotline, which they've been instructed to do several times.
One therapy once said, dont call the cops for incidejnts like these, they wouldnt like to be bothered. My parents say ok at the meeting, but they continue to call the cops.
One time the cops came and said straight up to my mom:
"Look woman, me and my partner, we have burglars and madmen to catch. We dont want to come to this house every so often because you had an arguement with your son or your husband(my mom fights with my dad too, I dont intervene at all) The next time I come here for something like this, everybody is getting arrested. Including you, for false pretense of the police" or something like that.
Of course the next time they call, a different squad comes so the cycle continues
and I dont take it to the cops because of what I said in my last post
Yes, every home in America has a number of potentially lethal weapons, knives being the main one. That's why you use them to cut your food then put them back in a drawer. This is also why you don't give them to small children. And that's bullshit about them 'having a legal obligation' to house you - you're a little shit, there's no requirement to house someone who's obviously got something very wrong mentally who runs about with knives. Your parents sound like they have no idea what to do with you.
For fucks sake, stop trying to blame your parents, you were the one who got the knife and how is holding a kitchen knife a normal thing, you say its just a kitchen knife, that doesn't suddenly make what you done fine. I wouldn't really be surprised if your parents acted badly, my parents love me a lot but if i threatened them with a knife, i highly doubt they'd want me in the house. Stop trying to pass on blame and take the fact that this is your fault, you are the one in the wrong and deserve a repercussion from this.
You are making yourself the victim, trying to gain sympathy.
"Oh, but he started it!" is an excuse fit for a toddler, not for a 16 year old. Take responsibility for your actions you fucking pathetic excuse for a human being. It doesn't matter who started it, be the bigger man and don't fight back.
I really doubt their commands are that unreasonable. Are you refusing to do simple things like chores? Well guess what, they give you the roof over your head and three meals a day. They provide you with an education (although it doesn't seem to be working). If they ask you to do simple little things like taking out the trash, you take out the fucking trash.
I'm serious. Tell us what these commands are? I'm sure they are nothing more than simple chores.
wait
So you're a 16 year old
On a pokemon forums
Telling us about your court case
All while believing, there's nothing wrong in TAKING A KNIFE OUT. Anyone in their right mind would think you had a row with someone.
Help I cant tell if Im being trolled
So you're a 16 year old
On a pokemon forums
Telling us about your court case
All while believing, there's nothing wrong in TAKING A KNIFE OUT. Anyone in their right mind would think you had a row with someone.
Help I cant tell if Im being trolled
Yes you moron ur being trolled
I made all of this up to troll a pokemon forum
@ firestorm, yea terribly sorry there mustve been a typo
BUT SERIOUSLY why would I EVER give you his real email address? so that you can email him and say, yea, this guy goes under the name of so and so on some pokemon website, maybe you could even tell him something like yo, go track down whoever is at this IP Address
then you'll tell him
yea that guy is a menace to society
dont let him out of jail for the next 90 years
And no, I wont do my chores. Here is precisely the situation that started the fight.
My dad is in the kitchen, Im in the living room playing video games.
My dad tells me to fetch for my sister who is blasting her music so loud she wouldnt be able to hear either of us.
I tell him, why dont you go fetch her yourself?
My dad says, what did you say?
I repeat, he says, you will do whatever the fuck I say(altho hes far too far east asian to use curse words)
I say OK, meaning I dont want to hear whatever he has to say. That always seeems to do it against my paretns, they say something, I say OK, then they either give up or get really angry
In this case he got really angry and proceeded to attempt to smash my XBOX
I shove him away from the XBOX, blah blah blah
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