I think Deoxys-LG and Deoxys-E should be allowed in OU.

[footballfanatic]

For one thing, just because something has counters in OU doesn't mean that it's not an Uber. Skarmory is countered by Probopass so therefore Skarmory must be UU. Of course not. When you look at the suggested movesets for Deoxys-E, you don't realize they're tailored specifically for the Uber environment alone. Those movesets obviously don't hold up as well as they could in OU. Deoxys-E could easily have a destructive OU moveset with Hidden Power [Fire]//Superpower//Shadow Ball//Psycho Boost/Grass Knot. That just removed every counter you listed with room to spare. You could even put Recover on it, since its defenses are decent (sans the HP) and it'll be able to snag a recover in before any non-priority attack or Ninjask (after 1 speed boost).

Blissey doesn't exactly shatter the metagame the way you seem to think it does. There are things in this world called "physical attackers" that kill Blissey no problem. But for Deoxys-E, you'd need priority moves on at least 2 Pokemon or you'd need a Substitute/Protect/X-Scissor Ninjask (which may not OHKO, I'll calc that). 476 SpA is a lot and very few things can withstand it (that's Choice Specs, LO is 412). It's not simple enough that an Aldaron Hitmontop will OHKO it no problem with Bullet Punch (like Deoxys-A...by your logic then, that would make Deoxys-A an OU).

Additionally, people who think only Kyogre and Rayquaza and Palkia should be in Ubers (people who post these topics) simply prove they know nothing about Ubers.

No.

The moveset you posted is retarded because it has 5 moveslots, and just because it hits something SE doesn't mean that thing can't still counter it. HP Fire doesn't change anything(excpet for Forretress). Even if you could manage to get HP Fire 70, it wouldn't come close to OHKO'ing Bronzong, Jirachi, or Metagross while all those pokes can hit it's weak point for massive damage. Bronzong with STAB Gyro Ball, Jirachi with U-Turn, and Metagross with CB Bullet Punch or Pursuit.

The problem with Choice Specs is that it gets easily beaten by prediction


If Deoxys-e was allowed in OU, and you were getting a battle where Deoxys could possibly be on your opponents team, how much would you have to change your current team to be prepared for it?

I wouldn't have to change mine at all.

 

[Jediment]

That's Psycho Boost OR Grass Knot genius.

Oh, so Choice Pokemon don't count because you can predict against them? I guess that means Kyogre, Groudon, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Palkia are all OU too.

Does your team have a Ninjask and at least two priority users? Mine doesn't. In fact, I don't think any of my teams do. And I have like 14 Shoddy Battle teams.

My Bronzong doesn't know Gyro Ball and I've hardly ever seen Jirachi with U-turn. Maybe that's just me.

 

[umbarsc]

You're really under-estimating Deoxys-E's offenses here. HP Fire does a ton to Metagross, though not doing acceptable amounts of damage to Bronzong or Jirachi.

And right now would be a good point to list all of Deoxys-E's OU counters. Here's what I've got so far:

Spiritomb, Cresselia, Bronzong.

You know though, I'm actually reconsidering Deoxys-E for OU. Not that this threat isn't crap, however.

 

[Chozo]

Those movesets obviously don't hold up as well as they could in OU. Deoxys-E could easily have a destructive OU moveset with Hidden Power [Fire]//Superpower//Shadow Ball//Psycho Boost/Grass Knot. That just removed every counter you listed with room to spare. You could even put Recover on it, since its defenses are decent (sans the HP) and it'll be able to snag a recover in before any non-priority attack or Ninjask (after 1 speed boost).

You haven't countered everything, you've just shifted what counters it around a little bit. Tentacruel walls it without Psycho Boost, and Spiritomb laughs at you no matter what you do. Superpower helps a little bit, but you're in deep poo-poo if you hit something with it and don't kill it. HP fire helps, but a timid Life Orb HP Fire can't even 2HKO Jirachi or Bronzong if they max their HP: it's not even a guaranteed 2HKO on a 252 HP Metagross either. Toss Recover in the mix and the list of things that can wall it gets larger.

And "decent defenses" is still funny every time I read it. We're talking a Pokemon who shares defense tiers with defensive monsters like Jumpluff and Honchkrow.

Blissey doesn't exactly shatter the metagame the way you seem to think it does. There are things in this world called "physical attackers" that kill Blissey no problem.

Except Blissey switches out on them unless they can Pursuit. Let's face it, Blissey does have a pretty serious effect on the metagame when every special attacker is judged by "but what can it do to Blissey?"

But for Deoxys-E, you'd need priority moves on at least 2 Pokemon or you'd need a Substitute/Protect/X-Scissor Ninjask (which may not OHKO, I'll calc that). 476 SpA is a lot and very few things can withstand it (that's Choice Specs, LO is 412). It's not simple enough that an Aldaron Hitmontop will OHKO it no problem with Bullet Punch (like Deoxys-A...by your logic then, that would make Deoxys-A an OU).

Ninjask stands a good chance of OHKOing with X-Scissor, not that it matters. You act like anything that doesn't outspeed Deoxys-E has no hope of killing it, which is pretty much absurd, because you kill it like you kill any other life orb/choice attacker: outpredict them, come in on a move that's neutral/not very effective, and kill it before it kills you. Given that most decent CB/specs users can one-shot it with damage to spare, this isn't as hard as you make it out to be.

Oh, so Choice Pokemon don't count because you can predict against them? I guess that means Kyogre, Groudon, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Palkia are all OU too.

You're missing the point. Not only do most of the Pokemon you listed have utterly massive attack stats (with the exception of Darkrai, each one has at least one attack stat at 150 or above), they also pack good/above average speed combined with good defenses to go with great movepools. Deoxys has the movepool, but you'll be hard pressed to argue that he has attack/defenses that put him anywhere near other ubers.

My Bronzong doesn't know Gyro Ball and I've hardly ever seen Jirachi with U-turn. Maybe that's just me.

You don't use Gyro Ball or U-Turn, that means no one else does, ever.

 

[maddog]

I honestly think that both of these Pokemon should remain in the uber teir. Your argument that Cresselia is better at taking hits doesn't make it 'uber'. Deoxys-LG's movepool is insane: Spikes, Knock Off, Recover to name a few; Shuckle and Cresselia would kill to have these. Looking at Cresselia, its counters include Heracross, Tyranitar, Gengar, and Metagross. If any of those switch into Deoxy-LG, they are going to get their Choice Band or their Life Orb Knocked Off, giving few Pokemon the power than they would need to kill Deoxys-LG. And while it's laughing at the powerless Pokemon that was unlucky enough to switch into Knock Off, it can set up Spikes, Toxic and many others. All Cresselia can do to them is fire off weak Ice Beams, maybe STAB Phychic or set up Reflect or Thunderwave (note that there is no way that Cresselia can deal with all of the Pokemon that like to switch into her using just one move). Deoxy just laughts at them with Knock Off. Face it, it would just be too good in OU.

 

[footballfanatic]

I honestly think that both of these Pokemon should remain in the uber teir. Your argument that Cresselia is better at taking hits doesn't make it 'uber'. Deoxys-LG's movepool is insane: Spikes, Knock Off, Recover to name a few; Shuckle and Cresselia would kill to have these. Looking at Cresselia, its counters include Heracross, Tyranitar, Gengar, and Metagross. If any of those switch into Deoxy-LG, they are going to get their Choice Band or their Life Orb Knocked Off, giving few Pokemon the power than they would need to kill Deoxys-LG. And while it's laughing at the powerless Pokemon that was unlucky enough to switch into Knock Off, it can set up Spikes, Toxic and many others. All Cresselia can do to them is fire off weak Ice Beams, maybe STAB Phychic or set up Reflect or Thunderwave (note that there is no way that Cresselia can deal with all of the Pokemon that like to switch into her using just one move). Deoxy just laughts at them with Knock Off. Face it, it would just be too good in OU.

Reading is fun!

I have already said multiple times that LG should still be an Uber. Not lets hear why E should be Uber(because you conveniently left out anything to back your opinion up).

 

[maddog]

Ok (oh and thanks for being a jerk dude). Honestly, I did left it out because I wanted to argue the other one more.

Deoxys- S will change the metagame in too vast of ways in order to be allowed into OU. It would completely make Speed Teirs and DDing up to sweep pointless, because Deoxys E is just going to come in and kill you. It would be one of the best revenge killers in the game, and unlike Garchomp who has to use a Choice Scarf to use such a role, Deoxys can just slap on a Choice Specs or a Life Orb. In the anylsis, the counters for it are Jirachi, Metagross, Spritomb, Blissey and Tyranitar (pretty much Pursuit). Metagross and Jirachi would not enjoy taking Choice Specs HP Fire to the face. Blissey and Tar would really hate taking Superpowers. Once again, its movepool is overkill, and it can include Counter and Focus Sash to deal with Pursuiters such as Weavile.

I do agree that is Poke is a little more unclear about how it would function in the OU metagame, but I would say that's its Speed, with its ok defenses, decent attacking stats, seasoned with an insane movepool should stay back in the uber teir where it belongs.

 

[footballfanatic]

That's Psycho Boost OR Grass Knot genius.

Oh, so Choice Pokemon don't count because you can predict against them? I guess that means Kyogre, Groudon, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Palkia are all OU too.

No you idiot. A Choice Spec'd/Band'd Deoxys-e is not effective at all because it lacks a good sweeping move like Close Combat, and is beaten by mediocre predition skills.

Does your team have a Ninjask and at least two priority users? Mine doesn't. In fact, I don't think any of my teams do. And I have like 14 Shoddy Battle teams.

No you idiot. For some reason you have this weird idea that Deoxys will OHKO anything that doesn't attack first. My sweepers consist of Raikou, Dugtrio, and Lucario. Dugtrio can trap and OHKO with Sucker Punch. Lucario has sub, but if it isn't behind a sub, it can't do much to Deoxys(unless it doesn't have Superpower, in which case Lucario can survive a neutral T-bolt and OHKO with Crunch, or I could put Extremespeed on him). Finally, Raikou can take 2 Superpowers from Max Attack Life Orb'd Deoxys Calm Mind and then kill it with STAB T-bolt, on the other side of the spectrum, Raikou can take a Max Sp. Attack Life Orb Psycho Boost even after Stealth Rock and hit it with a STAB T-bolt. Now onto my walls. I have Cresselia, who can calm mind on Deoxys, unless it has Shadow Ball in which case Cress can just T-wave and Moonlight over and over as it watches Deoxys die to Life Orb. Bliss can take all sets that don't include Superpower, and with simple prediction I can go to Cress or Weezing to take the Super Power and then back to Blissey to take the Psychic/Shadow. Bliss can then T-wave it, and heal off the damage from Superpowers that are getting weaker and weaker. After 2 Life Orb recoils Bliss 2HKO's with S-toss as well. Weezing can survive one hit from Deoxys as long as it isn't Psychic type but it can't do too much back.

My Bronzong doesn't know Gyro Ball and I've hardly ever seen Jirachi with U-turn. Maybe that's just me.

You're in the vast minority when it comes to Bronzong without Gyro Ball, and I'm sure if you told me your set, it would be able to take out a Deoxys by either calm minding or putting it to sleep. EVERY Jirachi I've seen has U-turn so...

 

[footballfanatic]

Ok (oh and thanks for being a jerk dude). Honestly, I did left it out because I wanted to argue the other one more.

Deoxys- S will change the metagame in too vast of ways in order to be allowed into OU. It would completely make Speed Teirs and DDing up to sweep pointless, because Deoxys E is just going to come in and kill you. It would be one of the best revenge killers in the game, and unlike Garchomp who has to use a Choice Scarf to use such a role, Deoxys can just slap on a Choice Specs or a Life Orb. In the anylsis, the counters for it are Jirachi, Metagross, Spritomb, Blissey and Tyranitar (pretty much Pursuit). Metagross and Jirachi would not enjoy taking Choice Specs HP Fire to the face. Blissey and Tar would really hate taking Superpowers. Once again, its movepool is overkill, and it can include Counter and Focus Sash to deal with Pursuiters such as Weavile.

I do agree that is Poke is a little more unclear about how it would function in the OU metagame, but I would say that's its Speed, with its ok defenses, decent attacking stats, seasoned with an insane movepool should stay back in the uber teir where it belongs.

Like I've said about a billion times, would it change the metagame more than Blissey. If you can honestly answer yes to that question, then I think you need to assess what Blissey does to the metagame.

Thanks for reading the thread before posting. I'm quite sick of responding to posters just like you who didn't bother to read anything I've said(which included me saying that LG should be Uber). I'm so tired of telling people that I think LG should be an Uber so for the final time I'll say it:

LG SHOULD STAY IN THE UBER TEIR.

 

[Lou Cypher]

Maddog: Decent Defences? As noted before, it got the defences of a Honchkrow. Not very mighty huh?

As for his attacking stats, I noticed a big resemblance with Kingdra. Now you might wonder why I opted to name him. Fact of the matter is that Kingdra's attacking stats are considered Mediocre. Even if he'd get a Choice item on him, he's still considered a lightweight in the face of Garchomp/Salamence/Gengar/Alakazam/Azelf/Weavile/Etc/Etc.

Deoxys players would have to thread VERY carefully with their Glass "Cannon". Its not Alakazamish because Deoxys CAN take a bit more as he can, but Deoxys will be in the situation that one wrong picked move can mean the game. Picked Psycho Boost? Tyranitar said 'sup. Opponent seeing Superpower coming? Gengar joins the fun, you mind? If you got Life Orb it doesn't matter as much, true, but then you lose firepower and staying power.

Why not allow it in Ladder play for a while? If the stats show that Deoxys IS in fact dominating the game beyond belief, then I'm all for sending it back to Ubers. But if it ends up chilling with the Big 5 (Blissey, Gengar, Gyarados, Garchomp, Tyranitar), then why not leave it in? As for my prediction, I'd guess it'll end up somewhere near Heatran.

 

[maddog]

I know the effect Blissey has on the metagame; it makes it slightly more balanced..... honestly do you think I'm just some noob that has never played the game?

Something doesn't need the effect that Blissey has to be too potent in a metagame. Granted, most Pokemon that have (Manaphy) or should have been moved to the uber teir (Celebi in ADV) have had a huge impact on the Metagame. Maybe not the same/ to the same extent that Blissey did, but whatever. Deoxy would make boosting you speed useless, because no matter what you do, Deoxy is just going to be faster than you. I think that is a huge effect on the metagame. Every offensive team would need to run one of its counters, or risk being swept with a Life Orb Deoxy-E in the mid/ late game. That's a major effect in my opinion.

Oh and for the sake of you not getting people to talk about Deoxy-LG, I suggest you edit your main post.

@Lou: Its defenses are similar to Azlef as well. You also seem to be ignoring Deoxy's speed; it would have no problem outspeeding those threats.

Deoxys players would have to thread VERY carefully with their Glass "Cannon".

And that's why it would be a late game sweeper. You can also use a skill called prediction, which could avoid all of those instances if you have some knowledge of your opponent's team.

 

[FarmerWithShotgun]

Why is there even an argument about prediction in this thread you realize that your opponent can do that too right?

 

[footballfanatic]

I know the effect Blissey has on the metagame; it makes it slightly more balanced..... honestly do you think I'm just some noob that has never played the game?

Something doesn't need the effect that Blissey has to be too potent in a metagame. Granted, most Pokemon that have (Manaphy) or should have been moved to the uber teir (Celebi in ADV) have had a huge impact on the Metagame. Maybe not the same/ to the same extent that Blissey did, but whatever. Deoxy would make boosting you speed useless, because no matter what you do, Deoxy is just going to be faster than you. I think that is a huge effect on the metagame. Every offensive team would need to run one of its counters, or risk being swept with a Life Orb Deoxy-E in the mid/ late game. That's a major effect in my opinion.

Oh and for the sake of you not getting people to talk about Deoxy-E, I suggest you edit your main post.

@Lou: Its defenses are similar to Azlef as well. You also seem to be ignoring Deoxy's speed; it would have no problem outspeeding those threats.
And that's why it would be a late game sweeper. You can also use a skill called prediction, which could avoid all of those instances if you have some knowledge of your opponent's team.

Being able to sweep doesn't make something Uber.

Let me ask you, do you have a Garchomp counter on your team? What about a Mixape Counter? Exactly, everybody has to have a counter for a good poke(Garchomp, Gengar, etc.), and if they don't, guess what happens? They get swept.

Deoxys wouldn't make Speed upping useless, it would just make it harder for some things to sweep. Right now, when Gyarados gets 2 DD it's nigh unstoppable, all Deoxys would do(assuming that it's on your team) is it would make Gyarados get 3 DD before it can sweep, and that's assuming you max Deoxys speed(which IMO is stupid). If I were to use a Deoxys I'd go for 455 speed to revenge kill Scarfchomp. At that speed Gyarados outspeeds after 2 DD. So the only affect Deoxys has on DD'ing pokes is that it requires 2 DD to sweep instead of 1(Which Starmie already does).


Just for perspective: If a Deoxys-e doesn't carry Shadow Ball(which is a very large possiblity) the best it can do to Azelf is 70%(that's a T-bolt from Max Sp. Attack Life Orb Deoxys). Deoxys is now at 90%(from Life Orb) and Azelf can do whatever it wants to Deoxys...T-bolt will do min 78% leaving Deoxys with at most 10%...meaning it will usually get only 1 more attack for the rest of the game, and if stealth rock is in play, it won't be able to switch out and back in.

 

[Blue Harvest]

Actually, I support making Deoxys speed form OU. If it turns out to be broken it will be rapidly banned.

I'd love to use a Recover / Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Superpower Life Orb mixedDeoxys. Like Starmie, but superior in almost every way minus Rapid spin and a fire / water resist.

 

[Colonel M]

Oh shit, not ANOTHER one of these threads...

Seriously, can you post maybe calcs on what Deoxys - D can TAKE before we can go into this even more? Yeesh.

And Shoddy is underway of a tourney for testing Deoxys - S. No real reason to discuss it.

 

[footballfanatic]

Actually, I support making Deoxys speed form OU. If it turns out to be broken it will be rapidly banned.

I'd love to use a Recover / Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Superpower Life Orb mixedDeoxys. Like Starmie, but superior in almost every way minus Rapid spin and a fire / water resist.

This is a perfect example of why Deoxys-e shouldn't be uber.

Your set of preferance is walled completely by Cresselia and can be taken easily by the Steel/Psychics and Steel/Bugs. Not to mention tons of sweepers can take a Neutral BoltBeam and OHKO with more powerful attacks(Raikou, Azelf, Infernape, etc.).

 

[footballfanatic]

Oh shit, not ANOTHER one of these threads...

Seriously, can you post maybe calcs on what Deoxys - D can TAKE before we can go into this even more? Yeesh.

And Shoddy is underway of a tourney for testing Deoxys - S. No real reason to discuss it.

Read the thread plz.

 

[Blue Harvest]

This is a perfect example of why Deoxys-e shouldn't be uber.

Your set of preferance is walled completely by Cresselia and can be taken easily by the Steel/Psychics and Steel/Bugs. Not to mention tons of sweepers can take a Neutral BoltBeam and OHKO with more powerful attacks(Raikou, Azelf, Infernape, etc.).

Eh, if its made OU i'd definately use it. I'm not sure how balanced it would be, but it would be a fun poke.

Cosmic Power / Calm Mind / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt could work too. Blissey and Cresselia would die to it, as well as... most things.

 

[Colonel M]

Alright alright I saw your post about Deoxys - D. But to further prove why it should be Uber still:

- All 3 Spikes
- Recover
- Counter / Coat (not a huge mention but nevertheless)
- Decent Staller

Alright, but still, I did read through the whole thread, I just moreso scanned it. Sorry, didn't see the post until the last minute.

 

[footballfanatic]

Eh, if its made OU i'd definately use it. I'm not sure how balanced it would be, but it would be a fun poke.

Cosmic Power / Calm Mind / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt could work too. Blissey and Cresselia would die to it, as well as... most things.

No, I'm not arguing that it wouldn't be good, I definitely would use it, but every set imaginable gets countered by something which is why it should at least be allowed in standard play for a short time to see how it would fare.

My proposal is that instead of a tourney(which I think skews the results a bit too much), we should have a second battle thread, where Deoxys-e would be unbanned. You don't have to use E, nor does your opponent, you just know that it could be on your opponents team.

Then, we have a second thread where you report the results of either facing a Deoxys-E, using a Deoxys-E, or both. Let this go on for a couple of weeks, and if the general consensus is that it isn't broken(which is what I believe will happen)..unban it.

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

Originally Posted by Fat Phox
That's Psycho Boost OR Grass Knot genius.

Oh, so Choice Pokemon don't count because you can predict against them? I guess that means Kyogre, Groudon, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Palkia are all OU too.

No you idiot. A Choice Spec'd/Band'd Deoxys-e is not effective at all because it lacks a good sweeping move like Close Combat, and is beaten by mediocre predition skills.

Any Choice Spec / Scarf / Band user can easily be defeated by an opponent that has decent prediction skills. It can hit-and-run with a nice Choice Specs Psycho Boost which does considerable damage amd hit Blissey and Tyranitar with a deadly Superpower attack. This thing is very much like Electivere except it already got the Speed Boost and has a LARGER movepool and can hit both Skarmory and Blissey at the same time.

Does your team have a Ninjask and at least two priority users? Mine doesn't. In fact, I don't think any of my teams do. And I have like 14 Shoddy Battle teams.

No you idiot. For some reason you have this weird idea that Deoxys will OHKO anything that doesn't attack first (It probably can due to its huge movepool and a Life Orb'd super effective attack is never a nice thing to take.)

Gyarados is killed by Thunderbolt
Salamence / Garchomp is killed my Ice Beam
Tryanitar / Weavile / Blissey / Heatran are killed Superpower
Infernape / Gengar are killed by Psychic / Psycho Boost...
and the list goes on...

My sweepers consist of Raikou, Dugtrio, and Lucario. Dugtrio can trap and OHKO with Sucker Punch. Lucario has sub, but if it isn't behind a sub, it can't do much to Deoxys(unless it doesn't have Superpower, in which case Lucario can survive a neutral T-bolt and OHKO with Crunch, or I could put Extremespeed on him). Finally, Raikou can take 2 Superpowers from Max Attack Life Orb'd Deoxys Calm Mind and then kill it with STAB T-bolt, on the other side of the spectrum, Raikou can take a Max Sp. Attack Life Orb Psycho Boost even after Stealth Rock and hit it with a STAB T-bolt. Now onto my walls. I have Cresselia, who can calm mind on Deoxys, unless it has Shadow Ball in which case Cress can just T-wave and Moonlight over and over as it watches Deoxys die to Life Orb(Cresselia can fucking T-wave and stall in front of almost anything ffs.). Bliss can take all sets that don't include Superpower, and with simple prediction I can go to Cress or Weezing to take the Super Power and then back to Blissey to take the Psychic/Shadow(This is assuming you predict correctly). Bliss can then T-wave it, and heal off the damage from Superpowers that are getting weaker and weaker(Read what I said about Cresselia). After 2 Life Orb recoils Bliss 2HKO's with S-toss as well. Weezing can survive one hit from Deoxys as long as it isn't Psychic type but it can't do too much back.

My Bronzong doesn't know Gyro Ball and I've hardly ever seen Jirachi with U-turn. Maybe that's just me.

You're in the vast minority when it comes to Bronzong without Gyro Ball, and I'm sure if you told me your set, it would be able to take out a Deoxys by either calm minding or putting it to sleep. EVERY Jirachi I've seen has U-turn so... It's called SpecsRachi / CMRachi.

You gave very specific situations that were not in favor in Deoxys-S, this will not happen all the time. I can see this thing cleaning a team late-game.

 

[Blue Harvest]

Defense Deoxys is broken as hell though. Durability comparable to Cresselia but with Recover / Cosmic Power / Spikes...


Speed Deoxys is ok. It would make Gyarados obsolete...

 

[footballfanatic]

Originally Posted by Fat Phox
That's Psycho Boost OR Grass Knot genius.

Oh, so Choice Pokemon don't count because you can predict against them? I guess that means Kyogre, Groudon, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Palkia are all OU too.

No you idiot. A Choice Spec'd/Band'd Deoxys-e is not effective at all because it lacks a good sweeping move like Close Combat, and is beaten by mediocre predition skills.

Any Choice Spec / Scarf / Band user can easily be defeated by an opponent that has decent prediction skills. It can hit-and-run with a nice Choice Specs Psycho Boost which does considerable damage amd hit Blissey and Tyranitar with a deadly Superpower attack. This thing is very much like Electivere except it already got the Speed Boost and has a LARGER movepool and can hit both Skarmory and Blissey at the same time.

Does your team have a Ninjask and at least two priority users? Mine doesn't. In fact, I don't think any of my teams do. And I have like 14 Shoddy Battle teams.

No you idiot. For some reason you have this weird idea that Deoxys will OHKO anything that doesn't attack first (It probably can due to its huge movepool and a Life Orb'd super effective attack is never a nice thing to take.)

Gyarados is killed by Thunderbolt
Salamence / Garchomp is killed my Ice Beam
Tryanitar / Weavile / Blissey / Heatran are killed Superpower
Infernape / Gengar are killed by Psychic / Psycho Boost...
and the list goes on...

My sweepers consist of Raikou, Dugtrio, and Lucario. Dugtrio can trap and OHKO with Sucker Punch. Lucario has sub, but if it isn't behind a sub, it can't do much to Deoxys(unless it doesn't have Superpower, in which case Lucario can survive a neutral T-bolt and OHKO with Crunch, or I could put Extremespeed on him). Finally, Raikou can take 2 Superpowers from Max Attack Life Orb'd Deoxys Calm Mind and then kill it with STAB T-bolt, on the other side of the spectrum, Raikou can take a Max Sp. Attack Life Orb Psycho Boost even after Stealth Rock and hit it with a STAB T-bolt. Now onto my walls. I have Cresselia, who can calm mind on Deoxys, unless it has Shadow Ball in which case Cress can just T-wave and Moonlight over and over as it watches Deoxys die to Life Orb(Cresselia can fucking T-wave and stall in front of almost anything ffs.). Bliss can take all sets that don't include Superpower, and with simple prediction I can go to Cress or Weezing to take the Super Power and then back to Blissey to take the Psychic/Shadow(This is assuming you predict correctly). Bliss can then T-wave it, and heal off the damage from Superpowers that are getting weaker and weaker(Read what I said about Cresselia). After 2 Life Orb recoils Bliss 2HKO's with S-toss as well. Weezing can survive one hit from Deoxys as long as it isn't Psychic type but it can't do too much back.

My Bronzong doesn't know Gyro Ball and I've hardly ever seen Jirachi with U-turn. Maybe that's just me.

You're in the vast minority when it comes to Bronzong without Gyro Ball, and I'm sure if you told me your set, it would be able to take out a Deoxys by either calm minding or putting it to sleep. EVERY Jirachi I've seen has U-turn so... It's called SpecsRachi / CMRachi.

You gave very specific situations that were not in favor in Deoxys-S, this will not happen all the time. I can see this thing cleaning a team late-game.

I could address everything you said, but none of it proves that E belongs in the Uber teir.

Infernape kills Garchomp/Mence/Dragonite with Hp Ice
Infernape kills Swampert and pretty much every Bulky water with Grass Knot
Infernape kills Skarmory/Forretress/Scizor with Flamethrower
Infernape kills Blissey/T-tar/Heatran/ Weavile with Close Combat
The list goes on and on.

Just because Deoxys would be good, doesn't mean it would be TOO good.

You have done NOTHING to show Deoxys belongs in Ubers, and have only nitpicked things that are insignificant(Cresselia can T-wave and stall everything...uhh ok. Does that make it less effective as a counter to Deoxys?).

Oh, and I think it's downright dumb to have Psychic on Deoxys. Way better options for the last moveslot.

 

[Invective]

No, I'm not arguing that it wouldn't be good, I definitely would use it, but every set imaginable gets countered by something which is why it should at least be allowed in standard play for a short time to see how it would fare.

whoa, you can make a counter for any set?
i believe that we can argue that about anything. isnt that the point of the counter game thread that we have?
like many of the countless people have said before me, saying it can be countered by OU does not make it OU. otherwise we could argue that wobbuffet be UU because sableye can come in and shadow claw it into oblivion. oh, wow, sableye just countered wobbuffet, i guess wobby's UU then.

EDIT: actually, ima go sig that quote. its just pure genius.

 

[footballfanatic]

whoa, you can make a counter for any set?
i believe that we can argue that about anything. isnt that the point of the counter game thread that we have?
like many of the countless people have said before me, saying it can be countered by OU does not make it OU. otherwise we could argue that wobbuffet be UU because sableye can come in and shadow claw it into oblivion. oh, wow, sableye just countered wobbuffet, i guess wobby's UU then.

EDIT: actually, ima go sig that quote. its just pure genius.

Good job on taking what I said out of context. The point I was making is that there's no set that makes Deoxys too good for OU.

I would sig you're retarded comment about Wobbufet, but I don't have enough room in my sig. Granted, it makes perfect sense when you read it in this context, but if I take it out of context, it sure makes you look dumb