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I think Deoxys-LG and Deoxys-E should be allowed in OU.

maddog said:
I was thinking more of a moveset like: HP Fire/ Superpower/ Dark Pulse/ Grass Knot or Thunderbolt or Ice Beam. I will add HP Fire Calcs for Brozong and some others. Pretty much, my point is it can put out some decent damage against pokes trying to counter it, and still be extremely fast. You can mold it's moveset around what your team would otherwise have diffuculty with, and make it kill whatever you want. That, in my opinion, makes a Poke uber.
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Oh come on now. Infernape can have his moveset molded way more, has better typing and better attack.

That quote is being sig'd.
 
My preffered Deoxys-E moveset:

Deoxys @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
I'm lazy Spe / sue me SpAtt
Naive Nature (+Spe, -SpD)
- Psycho Boost
- Superpower
- Shadow Ball / Dark Pulse
- HP Fire / filler

HP fire is recommended for Metagross, but feel free to do whatever the hell you want with it. Psycho Boost is insanely powerful, and wipes out at least three fourths of the metagame in two or three hits (for what it hits neutral anyways). Superpower is for Blissey, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, and Shadow Ball is for weaker Psychics like Azelf (unfortunately is does zilch to Cresselia). HP Fire is for Steel/Psychics (which still doesn't do much to Bronzong, but more than Superpower or Shadow Ball does).

Yepp. Extremely powerful OU, if not uber.
 
I'd like to say something before something happens to this thread.

Deoxy's speed form, while having mediocre stats (uh... for the most part, anyway), he's still very unpredictable and can do anything. He's like Mew with a heck of a lot more speed and not having 100 base stats in all of the stats.

It's true that Deoxy's defense form is like Shuckle, but unlike Shuckle, he has a means of recovery aside from Rest, and can set up Stealth Rock/Spikes with relative ease. Also, unlike Cresellia, he has a superior support movepool, while all Cresselia can really do is set up a few Reflects, intoxicate the opponent's Pokemon, and the like. It's true that she does take hits better due to a higher HP stat, but Deoxys can use Recover like I said before, while Cresellia has to use that whole Rest Talk thing, which eats up two move slots, just so she isn't helpless while she's asleep.

Nonetheless, they're pretty close to being OU, but they're still be uber, unless some worse threats that do the same thing as them come along (unless they're like a Mew that can change shape). Okay, I'm done here.
 
I'll explain what I meant by that "sig" because you just like disreguarding my arguments with petty comments. Deoxys-E has an insane movepool and way more speed. Just look at it: it gets Focus Blast, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Dark Pulse, Shadow Ball, Grass Knot, Psycho Boost, Superpower, Hidden Power (mostly for Fire), and just for kicks, this many Physical moves as well. Now tell me, how can't I hit your "counters" with one of these moves, and a little prediction?

Does Infernape have 458 speed with a netural nature? Starmie beats Ape pretty well, just because it is faster. Deoxys outruns even Scarfchomp, without a boosting nature.
 
Deoxys speed was just legalized on Shoddy. My reaction was creating a stall set, it stalled out his 6x CM'd Spiritomb, his Raikou, Breloom, and Dragonite. Imagine what defense Deoxys would do to Standard.
 
Well then I thought the pokes I brought up as some decent counters...with prediction, or luck...I mean come on. Your not taking into effect status effects, O I WONDER ABOUT Thunder wave? If DS doesn't OHKO a normal Blissey then *if* it uses Thunder Wave to slow down DS. Slowing down DS is the best thing you can do. Bronzong also takes HP fire like a man. 3 - 4 HKO. By that time DS will by gyro balled to death with a OHKO I mean......504 speed definetely means gyro ball is gonna do the most dammage ever. Sleep is another idea. Or if a Breloom has a sub up and Deoxys had come in to get it....*highly doubtful situation* it's gonna take a spore. Doesn't take a lot of though, Gallade is pretyy smart, or Gardevoir. Ambipom fake out to annoy and if Deoxys - S doesn't have recover and life orb you've lowered the amount of turns the Ouber has less turns for attacking. Absol was pretty ingenious though of me. Lemme check up that Dusknoir with choice band - SUPER RARE XD

Dusknoir uses Shadow Sneak with 31 iv's in atk and 252 atk. Max atk basically with adamant nature. The deoxys - s has 31 iv's in hp and def with no ev's in either stat.
Defender hp: 241
Damage: 159 - 187
Damage: 65.98% - 77.59%
A 2HKO obvoiusly not a choice to use anyways.

This ofcourse is a rare situation in all sense.

Well then I'm gonna go ahead and put down how much dammage a mixwall dusknoir normally does with Shadow Sneak *31 iv's in atk no ev's in atk* with the deoxys - s with 31 iv's in hp and def with no ev's invested in either.
Defender Hp: 241
Damage: 99 - 116
Damage: 41.08% - 48.13%
A good 2HKO in the least.

Next time I'll probably post up how much dammage Bannete does with Shadow Sneak. idk maybe, I'm just trying to post up some counters, even though they might not be common, that's how counter's start, there not common at first but they get to be eventually if that poke is way too common.

*NOTE* I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THIS: the deoxys - s I was using as the defender for the last few posts was a Naive nature, like the one Smogon lists on it's movesets
 
PicaandPiku said:
I'd like to say something before something happens to this thread.

Deoxy's speed form, while having mediocre stats (uh... for the most part, anyway), he's still very unpredictable and can do anything. He's like Mew with a heck of a lot more speed and not having 100 base stats in all of the stats.

It's true that Deoxy's defense form is like Shuckle, but unlike Shuckle, he has a means of recovery aside from Rest, and can set up Stealth Rock/Spikes with relative ease. Also, unlike Cresellia, he has a superior support movepool, while all Cresselia can really do is set up a few Reflects, intoxicate the opponent's Pokemon, and the like. It's true that she does take hits better due to a higher HP stat, but Deoxys can use Recover like I said before, while Cresellia has to use that whole Rest Talk thing, which eats up two move slots, just so she isn't helpless while she's asleep.

Nonetheless, they're pretty close to being OU, but they're still be uber, unless some worse threats that do the same thing as them come along (unless they're like a Mew that can change shape). Okay, I'm done here.
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1. Nobody is arguing that LG is Uber(not anymore).

2. You did nothing to prove that E was Uber. All you did was say he's unpredictable(Hmm...what does that sound like? Infernape?).

@ Maddog. No Infernape doesn't have 458 speed, but does Deoxys have Fire/Fight typing? Does Deoxys have 2, 180 BP moves? Can Deoxys Double Both of his attacking Stats? Does Deoxys have a movepool as good as Napes?

The answer to all those questions is no.

The only thing that Deoxys beats nape in is revenge Killing Scarf pokes, and that doesn't make him Uber.
 
O YA AND YOU PPL SEEM TO FORGET. Psycho boost lowers SP.ATK like Draco Meteor does, the second shot basically will suck with Deoxys - S

:p
 
footballfanatic said:
Arceus, maybe. Smeargle(wtf...is this a serious question). Mew. No.

What does this prove?
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He's UNPREDICTABLE. He has a wide roster of moves at his disposal! Infernape doesn't, so while he's still unpredictable, he doesn't have as wide a moveset as Deoxys does! It's like the message is going right above your head.

Smeargle can sketch any move in the game, so he counts. Even if he's only really good at Baton Passing and getting kind of cheap kills with a F.E.A.R. esque strategy.

I tried to say that's he's good at being very unpredictable. By that, I mean being really, REALLY unpredictable, with being able to learn many moves that are viable for battle rather than just being able to be either a special, physical, or mixed sweeper. Sure, it won't be sweeping teams anytime soon like Infernape can, I'm with you on that, but it can turn the battle around in a flash in its own way if you're not careful.

Besides, the name "Deoxys" would be enough to get most people to turn their tails and run in the OU metagame.

Respond to this how you'd like. I've made my point as clearly as humanly possible, so I just don't care.
 
PicaandPiku said:
He's UNPREDICTABLE. He has a wide roster of moves at his disposal! Infernape doesn't, so while he's still unpredictable, he doesn't have as wide a moveset as Deoxys does! It's like the message is going right above your head.

Smeargle can sketch any move in the game, so he counts. Even if he's only really good at Baton Passing and getting kind of cheap kills with a F.E.A.R. esque strategy.

I tried to say that's he's good at being very unpredictable. By that, I mean being really, REALLY unpredictable, with being able to learn many moves that are viable for battle rather than just being able to be either a special, physical, or mixed sweeper. Sure, it won't be sweeping teams anytime soon like Infernape can, I'm with you on that, but it can turn the battle around in a flash in its own way if you're not careful.

Besides, the name "Deoxys" would be enough to get most people to turn their tails and run in the OU metagame.

Respond to this how you'd like. I've made my point as clearly as humanly possible, so I just don't care.
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Infernape has a better movepool than Deoxys, as does several other pokes(T-tar, Blissey, etc.).
 
Isn't turning a battle around in a flash exactly what scarf revenge killers are for? Scarfchomp can come in there and kill something that has just swept a poke with outrage, if the rest of your team doesn't have any priority moves Garchomp can proceed to kill, also your team doesn't have anymore steel types *which is usually what I do when I unlease my chompy*, also (too many also) if luck has it the outrage it unleashes last longer than 3 turns it could easily sweep a good 2 - 3 pokes if your unprepared or weakened down. Scarfchomp is a symbolic idea of a table turner.
 
just had a few battles with a deoxys-s, and i've found it to be walled very well by Spiritomb. A Spiritomb would take very little damage from any of Deoxys-s's moves, and can scare the deoxys with either STAB sucker punch or a STAB pursuit. Sucker Punch is OHKO if it lands, and Pursuit is 2HKO if they don't switch and OHKO if it does. Either way, Deoxys-s does not have a chance against Spiritomb
 
You need to stop glorifying Infernape. You make it sound like it's the all-around greatest Pokemon that ever existed. Easily 90% of Infernapes are Mixape. With Deoxys-E, you just start with 8 or 10 moves and then pick 4.

Iownyourgrass stated that a Deoxys-E stalled out 2/3 of a team, including a Spiritomb, so Spiritomb isn't a guaranteed counter.
 
Phox said:
You need to stop glorifying Infernape. You make it sound like it's the all-around greatest Pokemon that ever existed. Easily 90% of Infernapes are Mixape. With Deoxys-E, you just start with 8 or 10 moves and then pick 4.

Iownyourgrass stated that a Deoxys-E stalled out 2/3 of a team, including a Spiritomb, so Spiritomb isn't a guaranteed counter.
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Why would I stop glorifying Infernape?

Infernape is the most comparable poke to Deoxys in the OU environment, and has one of the best movepools around(better than Deoxys).
 
True, but it does have the ability to tear holes in many beginner teams.

Edit: I fought the stall set. It looked hopeless until I got a crit with night slash.
 
hey Phox. maddog, PicaandPiku, nice arguments.
however, ive found that on this thread, logic completely fails with footballfanatic around, what with him calling everyone who disagrees with him stupid.
im not saying that you are wrong, i agree completely with all of you, and im gonna say thanks to those of you who did calcs. you are awesome.
im just saying that with all of this going around
Originally posted by Fat footballfanatic
You've added absolutely nothing to the thread, and have no idea what you're talking about.
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and
Originally posted by Fat footballfanatic
You don't know what you're talking about. Deoxys has way more counters than that, and guess what? Infernape does more damage to every one of those counters. ZOMG INFERNAPE IS TEH UBER.
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i mean, both of these make me want to agree with him. acting all nice and friendlylike.
if you havent noticed by now, im sarcastic. basically all hes said is that we dont know what we're talking about and infernape is TEH UBER.
 
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