Ice-types; chillin' with the villains (except Magmortar)

Ice-types are about the statistically worst type of them all having numerous weaknesses such as Rock and Fighting and only resisting themselves. As such, they are far and few inbetween in the tiers, and most of them have fell into the depths of the NU tier. Even down in NU, many of them aren't used. Some of them are actually quite useful, and should be used more. They are a very interesting type, and many Ice-types are some of the best checks to Gorebyss and Jynx.

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There is a severe lack of rapid spinners in NU, and Cryogonal happens to be one of the few! It's quite an interesting Pokemon, and while it doesn't have many many options, its stats are quite versatile; you can make it tank special attacks better by investing in special defense, you can make it tank physical hits better by invesnting in physical defense, and you can even go on the offensive if you'd like. That's not all, it's also the only non NFE rapid spinner with Recover, making it tougher to take down.

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Regice, one of my personal favorites. It's very bulky, and it's an amazing check to Gorebyss and Jynx. It can reliably spread Thunder Wave across the opposing team while tanking / damaging threats while nessciary. One of its major problems is recovery, as it dies pretty fast if SR is up on the field and from repeated recovery. Some people have used Chesto Rest over Leftovers, as the 4th move isn't that important. Other people have used RestTalk, which is also pretty effective, but can't spread Thunder Wave. There's always Wish support from Lickilicky or Audino, too.

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Thought SR was a big enough pain to all these other Ice-types? Well, Articuno has even more trouble with it. It's a fantastic Pokemon... If you keep Stealth Rock off the field. It isn't exactly very versatile either, but a simple set of Sub / Roost / Ice Beam / Toxic can be very hard to take out without phazing it to make it take extra damage from SR. Pressure makes it even more annoying.

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Rotom-F

What's similar about Sawk, Magmortar and Bravairy? They are all slower than Rotom-F! Access to the infamous BoltBeam combo with STAB, Rotom-F can devastate its opponents easily. Choice Scarf Rotom-F can check Gorebyss and Jynx, and has access to Volt Switch and Trick, both great moves for choiced Pokemon. It faces some competition from Rotom-S, but it's certinally worth it if you need a choice scarfer who can beat Jynx as well. The powerful STAB Blizzard is always helpful, but it hits less often than Stone Edge; if that's even possible.

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With only 80 stats across the board and such an unappealing typing, Glalie doesn't look like such a great Pokemon. In fact, the only reason you'd use it is Spikes. There are very few spikers in NU, and Glalie happens to be one of them! It also has access to some nifty options such as Super Fang and Taunt, and if it needs to can go out in a boom with Explosion. While nerfed, a Normal Gem Explosion will hit fairly hard. It works best as a "suicide lead", which while a lot less common in Gen 5, can still be fairly effective.


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One of the scariest threats back when Hail was in NU, Glaceon is now just thrown aside for other Pokemon. Glaceon can still use a Choice Specs set effectively, as a 130 base Special Attack is very high for NU and will hit most things it hits hard. It's a bit slow, and its coverage isn't that great, but at least it's pretty buky. Speaking of it being bulky, a defensive set could possibly be used well as its overall bulk isn't half bad!

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As it is slow and fairly bulky, Bearctic can be an effective SubPuncher. Ice / Fighting coverage is great, and hits practically every Pokemon in NU neutrally. Its Attack isn't that great, but it's just enough to inflict some major dents into many Pokemon. A full-out attacker set could be useful too, as it has useful options like Stone Edge. If only Bearctic had Ice Shard...

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Lapras is such a versatile Pokemon with options ranging from Dragon Dance sweeping to special walling to being an effective rain tank. Its stats are well rounded as well. Unfortunately, none of those options are truly outstanding, and each have many issues that prevent them from being very effective. Hydration Rest is my personal favorite, and I've used it on most of the few rain teams I made--just be careful not to use Rest on the last Rain turn!

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Oh look, another Water-Ice type. Unlike Lapras, Walrein is a lot less versatile, with a lot less options. It has slightly less bulk too, but it does have a few niche options to differentiate itself from Lapras. The two most noticeable options are Encore and Thick Fat, which can be helpful in certain situations. Super Fang is another useful option. It has better Special Attack than Lapras which is fairly noticeable, and the extra Speed could possibly help it with speed creeping Rock-types.

NFE Ice-types

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Ice-Ground is a pretty good typing, giving Piloswine a STAB Earthquake and making it take neutral damage from SR. It's also the reason it has Stealth Rock, and Piloswine is actually the only ice type with Stealth Rock. With Eviolite, Piloswine can be very physically bulky, making it tough to break down. On the special side its not so tough, but it's still okay. Ice Shard is also noteable, as it lets Piloswine revenge the prominent birds and the occasional Dragon Dance dragons. Piloswine isn't a sitting duck either, it has a respectable 100 base Attack. A more offensive set utilizing Choice Band could be effective, but then you don't get Stealth Rock or the great bulk from Eviolite.

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The fastest NFE is also one of the fastest Pokemon in NU. With a unique typing that gives it an immunity to the common Psychic type attacks, a decent base Attack and good coverage, Sneasel is actually quite effective. In fact, it makes an amazing Jynx check. Once Jynx makes something fall asleep, you can switch to Sneasel who will take almost no damage from any of Jynx's attacks other than the rare Focus Blast, then proceed to kill it with Pursuit--preventing it from escaping. The most common Sneasel is Choice Band, and it can deal quite a lot of damage to certain Pokemon. Swords Dance can be effective, too. The main problem with Sneasel is that it can't hit as hard as various other Pokemon and that its offensive movepool is very limited, lacking moves such as Night Slash that Dark-types usually use. It's still a fairly effective Pokemon, though, and it has suprised me all the times I've faced it.

All in all, Ice-types can be pretty effectie in NU, and are defenitely worth looking into. Which ones of these do you find most effective? Which one do you like using the most? Find any of these underwelming, or think something else should be added to the list? Post--I look forward to discussion!
 
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Modest nature
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~Taunt
~Ice Beam
~Hidden Power Electric
~Water Pulse / Substitute

I've been using Vanilluxe a lot lately, mainly cause it's adorable. It's not that great a Pokemon, but I've pulled off an interesting offensive set with Taunt. It's surprisingly bulky, and even though it's not on this set, Ice Shard is nice to beat the likes of Swellow. Its movepool is fairly horrible, but its decent bulk and Ice STAB seem to make up for it. I'm not really sure what else to say, I might try Autotomize or something, but it doesn't seem promising when it doesn't have anything to boost its Special Attack. Any experience with it?
 
I don't know what you guys would expect me to say is my favorite Ice-type to use in NU.

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(M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Pursuit
- Ice Punch
- Ice Shard
- Low Kick
Originally I used Choice Band,but because I lost a few games because Sneasel was only one left I changed it and has been really effective so far as it almost guarantess that I will take at least two pokemon down if I manage to bring it safely. I only use Sneasel because I liked all the important threats it is able to revenge by itself such as Jynx, Swellow(another reason why you should use Quick Attack boys), +1 Altaria locked into outrage.
 
I would just like to comment that I think that, while the NU metagame is just PEACHY, if there was one thing I HAD TO BAN it would be Jynx. Lovely Kiss just makes her nearly impossible to deal with, and she is one of the main reasons I think that scraggy is actually good. She singlehandedly makes scarf vital spirit Magmortar viable. if you guys can think of any other good counters, I'd very much like to hear them, since as of right now there are QUITE few (this is me trying to spark discussion im so subtle).
 
I would just like to comment that I think that, while the NU metagame is just PEACHY, if there was one thing I HAD TO BAN it would be Jynx. Lovely Kiss just makes her nearly impossible to deal with, and she is one of the main reasons I think that scraggy is actually good. She singlehandedly makes scarf vital spirit Magmortar viable. if you guys can think of any other good counters, I'd very much like to hear them, since as of right now there are QUITE few (this is me trying to spark discussion im so subtle).


The thing that really nerfs Jynx is the fact that it has severe 4 MSS, and because of that it's usually not that hard to beat.

Some of its best checks are Ice-types themselves! Regice, Rotom-F, Lapras, Walrein (if you're using Crunch / EQ), and Sneasel all do well against any Jynx that doesn't have Focus Blast. Well, Calm Mind Jynx can beat Regice and Lapras, but the others do fine against CM Jynx.

Cincinno is a great check, it outspeeds Jynx and breaks through its subs with Tail Slap.

Metang practically hard counters it, taking almost little damage from any of Jynx's attacks and beating it with Bullet Punch / Meteor Mash. Lickilicky and Camerupt do well against Jynx too.

Lovely Kiss can be REALLY annoying. Often I find that I have to make a Pokemon fall asleep just to beat Jynx and then it's practically unusable. There are some ways around it, though, like RestTalk Pokemon, Magmortar, Aromatherapy/Heal Bell once it's gone, but otherwise it's still very annoying. Scraggy does OK against Jynx... except it gets 2HKO'd by +2 Ice Beam.
 
probopass wins vs. it. if it misses enough LKs, it loses.

if you want, you can be ballsy and switch in natu on LKs.

ResTalk Emboar was a fun little gimmick I played around with a while back.
 
Insomnia Banette can take on Jynx- Shadow Claw breaks the Sub and Shadow Sneak finishes it off. Vital Spirit Electabuzz also works with an Eviolite.
 
Jynx is the best Ice-type in NU in my opinion. The SubNP set is ridiculously effective, bar stupid shit like Vital Spirit Magmortar and Lovely Kiss misses. I've been using Jynx on nearly all of my offensively oriented teams, and it does work, it really does. I often sweep entire teams with just Jynx! Regice seems pretty cool for defensive teams however, I just don't like playing conservatively :P

BoltBeam coverage is pretty awesome. Speaking of which, Rotom-F is still a big nigga despite the loss of hail. Blizzard is still a great attack, since it basically has the same accuracy as Focus Blast, and people still use that shit move anyway xD
 
I'd just like to point out that Jynx has base 115 Special Attack, not base 125... omg that would be fuckin scary :<
 
Darn shame Jynx had to go, and with the possibility of Cryogonal leaving, Ice-types just lot a lot of glamor. Cryogonal in particular is / was one of the best special walls in the tier right now; you tank a key selection of attacks, but you can't just wall every unboosted special attack like Tangela does for physical hits. Speaking of which, the two of them together do decently together, but there's probably either a better combo of special / physical (something over Cryogonal maybe?), or a Fire resist in there somewhere.... A combo of Cryogonal / Altaria / Tangela seems pretty decent, since Cryo can just spin all the hazards that bother altaria and the Toxic Spikes which ruin Tangela's usefullness.

In any case, i've tried Glalie before, and it's done pretty well. Taunt + Spikes is a pretty cool niche, and with a Focus Sash you can really easily get two layers of Spikes up, which puts a lot of Pokemon in a bad position. Ice Shard lets you either break Sturdy / Sash of other leads, or revenge a key Pokemon if you decide to save Glalie for later (it does something like ~50% to defensive Altaria if that's anything!). Explosion is really cool too, but you either have to have a great matchup or sacrifice getting a second layer of Spikes up. It's not that powerful which is why I've seen some people run Normal Gem.... Never saw the point in that since Glalie is frail by proxy due to its awful typing and the fact that most people don't bother to defensively EV it. Focus Sash is pretty much needed in that case.

I've used SubDisable Haunter in conjunction with Glalie on several occasions and it's an amazing combo. The closest parallel I can think of is whenever you have a Spikes suicide lead (Deo-S earlier but everyone runs Deo-D now, so let's use that!) along with a SubDisable Gengar, since they both have cool offensive typings which are really only hit by one move on the movesets of several important Pokemon. SubDisable Haunter is a good Pokemon already but with Spikes its *amazing* and quite frankly on offense Glalie is gonna be the best Spiker out there.

Don't have much of an opinion on anything else up here but DD Lapras in the rain with Damp Rock support seems pretty cool! DD / Waterfall / Rest / ice shard (? does it get another Ice move that's good?) would be pretty sweet, though you could argue for Ice Beam with some SpA investment or a neutral nature just so that you could get through Tangela, who walls the hell out of you otherwise. Also Sneasel is decent, it's kinda weak though :/
 
Yeah NatGeo, TangelQuag is a popular defensive combination similar (and probably better) than TangelGonal. I like being able to spin with a special wall though...

I've only used Articuno and Sneasel out of all the Pokemon listed in my NU teams, and I really liked both of them. Articuno can Toxic stall + SubRoost a lot of Pokemon in NU to oblivion, and despite its terrible weakness to Stealth Rock it has good defensive stats (enough to take a lot of neutral hits without fainting). Offensive Articuno sounds kind of fun to me, but I'm sure there are plenty of Pokemon that could do a better job.
Sneasel does a lot of damage, I just wish it wasn't so damn frail. x.x
 
PIMG 501 is what you want for the OP, man. You've got the base Rotom.

Other than that, it's no real wonder why all the steel-types are above NU...to resist those motherfucking dragons. With a new, officially sanctioned monotype ladder, these guys will now have a real chance to shine!
 
Ive been having a lot of success with Piloswine lately, it has great offensive and defensive stats, and is an excellent tank in general. ive been using a Choice Band set the most, and its verey useful as a sub breaker, wallbreaking, bird killing thing. Even with an only slightly above average base 100 attack its excellent coverage and powerful STABs make it surprisingly hard to switch into. icicle spear/icicle crash easily 2hkoes tangela, while earthquake does the same to quagsire. Superpower is mainly a filler, it doesnt really hit anything important. But the most important thing about piloswine that seperates it from other banded ground types is priority in the form of ice shard. A lot of frailer threats are easily OHKOed by ice shard. things such as swellow, braviary, rotom-s, and ninjask all fall to ice shard, and its very useful for picking off weakened threats, overall CB piloswine is very underrated and needs more love.

Another set im interested in is an eviolite tank/restalk set. Despite not so good defensive typing, Piloswines sheer bulk cannot be ignored (its bulk actually rivals the premier physical wall, tangela!). Physically defensive piloswine could easily check birds, absorb status, and still have decent offenses and excellent coverage, definately worth into imo

thoughts about piloswine? i really think its an often overlooked pokemon that really deserves more usage
 
Molk, are you thinking
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@ Eviolite
Ability: Oblivious
EV's: 252 hp 252 def 4 atk
Nature: Lax (+Def, -Spatk)
- Rest
- Sleeptalk
- Earthquake
- Icicle Spear
If so, what teammates have you found that pair well with this set?
 
yeah, ive been thinking of using that piloswine set, i know that choice band is excellent already, but piloswine could also have a cool niche as a defensive pokemon
 
Well, priority in NU is good in general, and Ice-type attacks are good on their own. I'm not surprised that offensive Piloswine is good. (I've tried it some time before, too) Defensive Piloswine's only knock is that it doesn't have a good recovery, but it should be fine with some heal bell support. (say, from Misdreavus as you need something to check fighters anyways)

Oh, and you're probably thinking of Impish nature there.
 
yeah, I lost to that Piloswine set on PO; it's really strong with CB and ice priority is not something you ever really see (my team also lacks more than one ground resist, but w/e).
 
I faced a specially defensive Eviolite Piloswine yesterday, and it really threw me for a loop when Magmortar's Fire Blast only did 37% to it. Forgot entirely about Thick Fat. :p Seems like a pretty good mon with immunity to Electric attacks, the best offensive STABS in the tier for a physical pokemon, and excellent overall stats for an unevolved pokemon.
 
Piloswine can't have Thick Fat yet, as the DW release was an event Mamoswine, not a Swinub.

Molk and I were talking about Piloswine last night, and it's definitely legit.

I'm using:

Piloswine @ Choice Band
Adamant
252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

-Earthquake
-Icicle Crash
-Ice Shard
-Stone Edge

252 Speed EVs (199 Speed) let it outrun uninvested base 80s (196 Speed) and everything below that that it needs to, such as Tangela, Altaria, Garbodor, bulky Dragonair, defensive Ludicolo, and Exeggutor. Piloswine couldn't outspeed any of these Pokes without Speed investment, which makes it better than investing in bulk. Its dual STAB moves are amazing, giving it super effective coverage on Steel-types, Rock-types, Grass-types, and Flying-types, so it's a great wallbreaker, and it doesn't suffer the usual problems, such as a Stealth rock weakness, recoil damage ect. Unfortunately, it can't beat Adamant Torterra or 32 Speed Skuntank without a Jolly nature, but then it misses out on the 2HKO on Tangela, but Icicle Crash flinches could remedy this.

For the last move, I find Stone Edge useful for Armaldo. I'm not sure what Superpower is for, as it has overlapping coverage with Earthquake. You could even run triple Ice STAB moves, as Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, and Icicle Spear all have their uses.
 
(At least according to Bulbapedia) Stench flinches only with attacking moves. Silly aeo =P. Oh, and PS always allows all illegal movesets / ability + move combos: it's always been there. It's just that people don't know about it because no one abuses that by being a dick about it (only happens when the other side is also geniunely confused).
 
Let's not turn this thread into Pokemon Showdown!'s bug discussion. Find a bug on PS!? Report it on #showdown. Also, a lot of illegalities have been implemented on there already. Admittedly, however, Spikes flinching something is hilarious.

If you've been on #pokemon or #neverused lately, you'll notice that I've been hyping Piloswine a lot. I still haven't got the chance to use it yet, but its physical bulk is nearly as high as Tangela's, and its special bulk is obviously quite a lot higher. Not having any form of recovery other than Rest is annoying, but it has a much better offensive typing, Stealth Rock, Ice Shard, as well as a few other perks over Tangela (not to say that they face competition with each other - they're totally different).

The Piloswine set I'm thinking about using is the first set on-site, except with Icicle Spear > Toxic. Piloswine hits hard enough to not have to use Toxic, and breaking through Sturdy, subs, etc. is very useful, as well as having a more powerful Ice-type attack.

Piloswine will be even more interesting with Thick Fat.

Anyways, Ice-types in general deserve more love. The only Ice-type that is commonly used now is Cryogonal. Cryogonal is a great offensive Ice-type. I actually find myself attacking stuff with it more than Rapid Spinning or walling special threats, which is why I prefer the offensive set over the defensive set. Regice is a fantastic defensive Ice-type. While it has no recovery other than ChestoRest (which is what you should use on Regice), its amazing special bulk makes up for it and it has high Special Attack for a wall. It makes a good Thunder Wave user and even has Thunderbolt. Definitely a solid Pokemon that deserves more usage.

What Ice-types do you guys like other than Cryogonal?
 
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