If Heracross just died..

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..would Gliscor *ever* be used?

It basically doesn't pack much of a hit, gets pwnt by everything not called Heracross, and when your opponent doesn't even HAVE Heracross, Gliscor is just a liability.. it uses Knock Off.. then does jack all damage with EQ/Aerial Ace, and uses Roost, which doesn't beat anyone. >_>

So where would Gliscor be if Heracross didn't exist?

Toxicroak resists Heracross really well too but is actually usable..
 
Well, Isn't Gliscor a decent physical wall, especially with Sand veil sandstorm support? Of course the water / Ice weak is harsh, but immunities to EQ, neutral to rock (Resist on a roost), immune to electric (Could work well with Gyaravire, being immune to both their major weaknesses.)
 
Gliscor has godly defence, resists EQ, can Roost off damage and has Ice Fang - that means he can also mess up Garchomp pretty nice. STAB Earthquake from a very respectable 95 attack also wrecks Tyranitar. He also outspeeds Tyranitar without an EV investment which is a nice bonus.

Baton Pass, Swords Dance and Knock off are great support too. To suggest he isn't usable, or that he lives on for Hera is just madness. And Sand Veil is just awesome at times.
 
No it won't die, being the best fighting counter this side of Cresselia. Not to mention it has the stats to be an effective passer.
 
Against Garchomp he's smashed by Draco Meteor..

I realize he can baton pass stuff, and his defence is pretty good.. but that's about where it ends.

You're lucky if he isn't just Ice Beamed though, I had a Tyranitar Ice Beam mine, so I was like.. "well wtf is the point in Gliscor if they don't have Hera?".
 
Against Garchomp he's smashed by Draco Meteor..
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Correction, against ChainChomp he's smashed by Draco Meteor.

What about physical Infernape? Machamp? Scizor? Heck, 90% of physical threats without an Ice move can't get round Gliscor.
 
Not everything carries Ice Beam and what does, you can predict it and switch out. Tyranitar having Ice Beam is not standard. However its a nice surprise but its seen rarely. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
Lee said:
Correction, against ChainChomp he's smashed by Draco Meteor.

What about physical Infernape? Machamp? Scizor? Heck, 90% of physical threats without an Ice move can't get round Gliscor.
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Heck, he takes about 60% from an Ice Punch from Electivire and EQs for the OHKO. That's pretty darn good if you ask me.
 
My Machamp has Ice Punch..

Gliscor just isn't worth it really, since it doesn't do a whole lot of damage, isn't particularly fast either, and has basically caused no problems for me at all to battle against.. :/
 
i run a gliscor with
gilscor@ leftovers/incence witch increases accuracy
rock polish
sword dance
roost
baton pass

it works really well actually i usally pass to my garchomp
 
Pokemon who don't attack get swept up like a joke though, Gyarados comes oout and cleans up your whole team.

Gyarados is basically always a safe switch in on Gliscor anyway..
 
What you're saying is stupid. Gliscor has replaced Skarmory as the premier physical wall this gen (Cress doesnt count cause it is owned completely by Hera/Tyranitar).

Gliscor can Knock Off, Baton Pass Rock Polishes and SD's and sets up Stealth Rock and you say its useless?? It might seem useless to you because your team is full of Ice Beamers but for others (such as myself), its a pain with proper prediction.

And btw, Gliscor can use Thunder Fang on the switch in to Gyara, and coupled with Hyper Cutter and a few Speed EV"s can 2HKO it. Not as good as its other options but viable nonetheless.
 
Lots of walls don't really do huge damage. Knocking off Choice items or Leftovers in a sandstorm team is a huge asset. Considering his ability to SD up as well Baton Pass, I'd say he's pretty handy. And max hp Toxicroak is 2HKOed by CB Close Combat, while 0 hp takes 43-52% from Scarf Hera, so he's not actually that great at stopping Hera.
 
Considering that Gliscor is like Weezing with more awesome resists/immunes and has been dubbed Garchomp's little bro (and vice versa), can tank, baton pass, or do both while taking only moderate damage from slower Physical Ice moves (i'm looking at you Ice Fang).

Paired with a decent Special Wall/Sponge, (Milotic or Cresselia) Gliscor is pretty much among the top 4 for Physical Walls this generation, and isn't scared to shit by a single pokemon without having a way out (Skarm/Magnezone interaction, Skarm that doesn't get leftovers recovery is a pretty simple way to tell if it has Shed Shell or not).
 
Gliscor never even has Thunder Fang.

I've battled about 15 over wifi, and they've *all* had Roost / Knock Off or Stealth Rock / EQ / Aerial Ace.

Knock Off / Stealth Rock is the only move I ever see interchanged for anything.

The other 3 moves are on each and every one that I've faced.

I use a sandstorm team, and he's in it every time, because Heracross is no joke - on roughly 70-80% of teams I battle.
Gliscor is in each and every team I make, ever.

He simply does nothing besides Knock Off and stall for a few turns when the enemy doesn't have Heracross.

I too however, am using that bullshit moveset that doesn't hurt shit, so I'm going to try out the Swords Dance/Agility passing set, and see what happens.

Unfortunately having POWER UP / Roost / Baton Pass leaves me with only 1 slot for an attack, which sucks, with Swords Dance I suppose he'll be hitting fairly hard, but with Agility I could go to Rhyperior.

Both options are swept by water moves/ice moves, which are *extremely* common, and I have had loads of people switch Starmie in on my Gliscor.
It's Life Orb get knocked off every time, but still, if I were statting up, I'd lose them all straight away unless it was Agility (which doesn't help me hurt anyone).
 
If you really JUST want to stop Heracross, Weezing may be a better option. But people still use Gliscor. Why? Because it's got mad skillz. :p

But seriously though, Gliscor can set-up Stealth Rock and Baton Pass, and most physical attacks don't get to it unless they're ice.
 
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Gliscor never even has Thunder Fang.

I've battled about 15 over wifi, and they've *all* had Roost / Knock Off or Stealth Rock / EQ / Aerial Ace.

Knock Off / Stealth Rock is the only move I ever see interchanged for anything.

The other 3 moves are on each and every one that I've faced.

I use a sandstorm team, and he's in it every time, because Heracross is no joke - on roughly 70-80% of teams I battle.
Gliscor is in each and every team I make, ever.

He simply does nothing besides Knock Off and stall for a few turns when the enemy doesn't have Heracross.

I too however, am using that bullshit moveset that doesn't hurt shit, so I'm going to try out the Swords Dance/Agility passing set, and see what happens.

Unfortunately having POWER UP / Roost / Baton Pass leaves me with only 1 slot for an attack, which sucks, with Swords Dance I suppose he'll be hitting fairly hard, but with Agility I could go to Rhyperior.

Both options are swept by water moves/ice moves, which are *extremely* common, and I have had loads of people switch Starmie in on my Gliscor.
It's Life Orb get knocked off every time, but still, if I were statting up, I'd lose them all straight away unless it was Agility (which doesn't help me hurt anyone).
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Swords Dance/Roost/Earthquake/Filler (in my case Aerial Ace for STAB/Heracross etc) makes Gliscor evil. There are few counters to this particular Gliscor especially because I made mine Jolly/252 Speed, outrunning base 100 stuff with ease. Starmie is one of the few true counters to this one but if its hit on the switch, it won't be able to come in on it anymore. The only problem is that in order to safely get this one in and get a dance up, you need to bring it in at the right time. Which is something not everyone can do appearantly.

You keep noting your personal experience. Which is constantly based on the Knock Off variety. Maybe Gliscor doesn't work for you much in the fashion that I never found Salamence working great for me. Give that some thought.
 
Kumar said:
Your argument is flawed as Heracross will -NEVER- die.
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He's not making a freaking argument, he's just wondering what Gliscor is good for besides walling heracross.

Gliscor is pretty fast, I suppose. One of the fastest walls in the game. That has to count for something.
 
I honestly don't get what the point of this thread is. Heracross won't ever "die out." Gliscor is a good wall and great support to almost any team. It's a great pokemon and having the ability to be one of the few pokemon to sort of counter heracross in the game makes him even better. If heracross were to cease to exist somehow, gliscor would still be viable. (if that's what you're asking)
 
Blissey doesn't do much damage but stall around with it's unstab Ice Beam and Thunder Waving. By your logic, isn't a piece of shit too and pretty much useless? It can't hit hard at all, so I guess it's no usable now.
 
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