If there were no metagame...

soiherduliekmudkipz

First of all, sorry if this is the wrong place for this post, im new.
If there wasn't any established metagame, what team would you use?
I ask this because one of my friends challanged me, and i doubt he knows anything regarding any sort of metagame.
So I want to make a team that will put him back in his place xD
Right now, i was thinking of simply a spikes/toxic spikes/steal rock team, as im sure he will have no rapid spinners. that coupled with a couple whirlwind and roar pokemon, and i think i have the game.
And regardless of my situation, i think this is a neat exercise, as you really dont have to think about threats (of which there are waaay to many to be able to effectively prepare for).

so again i ask, what team would you make if there wasn't any metagame?
 
Well the only way for there to be no metagame would be if the game had not yet been released, as it is difficult now to make any judgment while ignoring all the experience I have gained.

So I dunno, the pre-D/P idea of a great team was Rhyperior, the Gyarados / Electivire combo, and Cresselia. So that is probably what I would be making!
 
I'd probably toss down something like:

Umbreon
Ampharos
Dragonite
Houndoom or Blaziken
Mismagius
Kingdra or Scizor, but only the variants from before Platinum

Mostly for aesthetics though, no real strategy but I'm thinking that's the point here.
 
eh. im talking about not really having to worry about what youre going up against. basically, just making a team thats good, regardless of what your opponent picks. but its not good because it can counter the ou threatlist, its good plainly caues it kicks ass.
also, some things you really dont have to worry about. im sure my friend wont be packing any rapid spinners. Out of respect, neither of us are really gunna use any legendaries.
No "i have to have a counter for so and so pokemon, cause its on the OU tier threatlist" and whatnot.

i guess what im really asking is a team that is good on its own, regardless of what is considered a threat. (one example that comes to mind was someones team that focused on a combonation of paralysis support, and an airslash packing togekiss to give the opponent a 30% chance of attacking)/
 
With no metagame, things like Scarftran and Scarf-gengar are things that would not show up on teams. Really, the best teams would probably be something like this:

Stall:
StealthRock Hippowdon Lead
WishBliss
SpikesSkarm
Toxic Spike Spinner Tentacruel or Foretress
Resttalk (Spite?) Spiritomb
Cresselia, Shuckle, or Suicune

Balanced:
Trick or Suicide Lead (Azelf?)
Special Sweeper (Skymin)
Physical Sweeper (SDScizor/DDGyarados/DDSalamence/DDTar)
Mixed Sweeper (MixMence/MixApe) or Mixed Wall (Suicune/Cresselia)
Special Wall (Blissey)
Physical Wall (Skarmory)

Aggressive:
Trick or Suicide Lead (Azelf)
Choice Band/Specs Sweeper (CBTar/CBHeracross/ScarfLuke)
Physical Wall Trapper (Magnezone)
Special Wall Trapper (Dugtrio)
Physical Sweeper (DDGyara/DDMence/SDScizor)
Special Sweeper (Skymin)
 
I'm pretty sure with no metagame, everyone would be running their fav Pokemon. My first competitive team consisted of dragonite, tyranitar, salamence, gengar, gardevoir, and blissey and at that time I thought all of them looked badass and were awesome. Did surprisingly well over Wi-Fi, too.
 
With no metagame, we would have no game in itself. I'd probably use an all-out offensive team though, because the lack of common knowledge of walls would allow me to decimate.
 
Id use my favorites, which would be Venusaur, Quagsire, Drifblim, Weavile, Farfetch'd and Empoleon. Maybe Flareon somewhere.
 
Since your opponent doesn't know about the metagame, he probably doen't know much about competitve battling. In which case just bring around a few pokes that have rather specific counters ie. DDGyara, DDMence, SD Scizor, NP Azelf/Ape and use CMcune and CurseLax for the last slots and you should win with ease. He/she will have no idea how to beat these horrible stat-upers ;p
 
yeh i agree with the above post. use moves that don't do damage and they think its a free turn for them.
like i was using an infernape with nasty plot and i used nasty plot and they go "WTF LOL FREE TURN FOR ME"...i then swept his whole team.

u see these guys have no sense of how to play pokemon. i had a friend once and he had a luxray with the following moves - discharge, spark, thunderbolt, thunder. he never switched even after when i switched in jolteon and started to setup.

basically if there was no metagame u no longer need to worry about rapid spin or rapidspinner if u are blocking. you also don't need to predict since they use obvious moves and never switch.
basically just treat them like the battle tower.

heres my team for someone that knows nothing about the metagame:
Heatran
Jolteon
Vaporeon
Gengar
Tyranitar
Snorlax

they following team are immune to 9 types poison, fire, electric, water, ghost, normal, psychic, fighting and ground. so if they bring in a blastoise with surf, hydropump, hydro cannon, waterfall, you know wat to do.
 
There's no reason to use a poor team because you assume your opponent is a poor player. Use a good team that wins against other good teams and winning against poor players should come naturally.

Pokemon aren't used just because they're used; they're used because they're good. You want to account for OU threats because OU Pokemon are threatening. If you have Lucario and Heracross covered, you're pretty safe from every fighter out there, for example. You simply don't have to specifically account for most UU Pokemon because they're not as good, not just because they're not as used.

I would not use an early DP team. People used those in part because they were still figuring out what worked, not because those teams were particularly effective in a "no metagame" metagame.
 
as stated above, a team with many immunities or stat uppers will do the work for you with ease, i dont really play competitive, but when friends of me that dont know at all about building teams or basic strategies challenge me, i just DD and roost with my dragonite while they enjoy the "free turns" and laugh, but suddenly they got their teams sweeped and stop laughing to start crying lol, also stall teams are great, i remember my blissey sweeping my friends all the day and they never figured out how to beat a single poke lol.
 
By no metagame, do you mean no competition at all (with which, there would be no pokemon battling) or no tiers, in which pokemon battling would essentially be like the uber metagame with everything allowed and no clauses (so ohko moves, double team, arcues and the banned berries would be used as well).
 
Honestly, I would think a team of favorites would be used in most instances.
Mine would consist of...

Arcanine
Scizor
Quagsire
Swampert
Nidoking
Slaking

I like the idea of the topic.
 
Me team would be my faves. If only they'd be useful...

Seviper
Lanturn
Hariyama
Blaziken
Weezing
Snorlax

Out of those, only Snorlax is currently used. *crai*
 
right now we're trying to build a team that can easily win any team that the player knows nothing about the metagame (stealth rock and walls). Not build teams of your favourite Pokemon. They usually just put a whole bunch of pokemon that they think look cool or are strong (legendaries).
Since ubers aren't banned, we should consider them too. I think a Deoxys-A can sweep whole teams.
 
Deoxys wont be a problem, as neither my friend nor i have one.
Also, we both generally agree that legendaries just arent as fun to battle against.
Now, i dont think hes downright stupid, so i doubt he'll be packing a pokemon with all 4 moves of one type...
Anyway, i really like the idea of a stat-upping team.
Right now, the team im in the process of collecting (a spikes team) has a DDGyara, and a life orbed lucario (a standard one).

(whew! this is more active than i thought it would be!)
 
iruchii said:
This. Use four Shedinjas, a Claydol and a Heatran.
Click to expand...

Right because people don't use Tyranitar.

I agree with what Obi said. You don't need to pick an overly specific team here. If you assume that they don't know much about walls, just use an all-out offensive team. Don't forget that the 'metagame' not only consists of the sweepers to use, but the walls to use as well. If your friend doesn't know much about the walls needed to counter SDScizor, for example, or SDLuke, then they're better options than an overly specific team that sucks.
 
I like bug and grass pokes, like from when I was a kid. My idea team in a metagame-less world world be like:

Venusaur
Mew
Flareon
Gengar
Heracross
Scizor

That was my team when I was like 12, lol...
 
I was thinking of making a thread like this when a friend challenged me, because I was worried as he would use Ubers. In the end he couldn't get passed my counter Blissey who seismic tossed most of his Pokemon. Pokemon with choice scarf or with stat-up and recovery moves are good too.

To be honest, I thought it would be hard fighting a completely unpredictable team with Ubers, but it was pretty easy. Just make sure you have Blissey, and maybe a physical Wall. Your normal team would win if you used it.

Just watch out for surprise Hyper Beam moves and mixed Pokemon like Weavile.
 
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