Im totally stuck -.-

kaygenhi

First of all hi to everyone Im kaygenhi and I frequent the Smogon forums but didnt have an account until today as I need a little bit(maby a lot) of help.

Now to the main topic: I was trying to build a competitive(or at least usable) team around pokes that I like, namely M-venusaur, Landorus-t and Aegislash and this is what I came up with. Ive been testing it and it feels like lacks something but Im not the best team builder so here I am begging help. Thanks in advance for reading!

Landorus-t @Assault Vest
Ability:Intimidate
Adamant
252hp / 252spdef / 4def
-Knock Off
-Stone miss Edge
-Earthquake
-Uturn

I really like Landorus in both his forms and when I saw the assault vest build I just felt in love. The mission of this guy is to maintain momentum and deal some damage while doing it. I tried it to be as specially defensive as possible because my m-venusaur is going to be physically.

Venusaur-M @Venusaurite
Ability:Thick Fat
Relaxed
252hp / 80def / 172spdef
-Toxic
-Giga Drain
-Synthesis
-Leech Seed

This megavenusaur Is my anti conkeldur-anyonewholearnsknockoff guy. He will switch in into any physical attack and annoy the shit out of everyone with infinite heals. The ev distribution is like that to be as bulky as possible and stall the s*** out of everyone.

Aegislash @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Stance Change
Nature: Quiet
244 Atk / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
-Shadow Ball
-Iron Head
-Shadow Sneak
-Sacred Sword

This is a different build from the first one, suggested below it emphasizes in raw wallbreaking power switching in, dealing a nice blow and switching out.

Heatran @ Leftovers (Excadrill before)
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 248 SDef
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Will-O-Wisp

In the end excadrill wasnt that useful and my 4x weakness to ice were going to be an issue so Heatran was a good choice here. It also packs a lot of utility for the team in the form of burns, phazing and SR.

Greninja @ Life Orb (subject to change)
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 Atk
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- U-turn
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Well I wanted a fast special sweeper with nice coverage and, whats better than stab coverage? Choice specs for moar power.

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf (subject to change)
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Tail
- Earthquake
- Outrage

Now for the last spot I needed someone to answer those boosted dragon and fast menaces like starmie or hpice jolteon and I chose garchomp.


Well thats my team, I know it has a lot of weaknesess but thats why I posted it. I was also thinking in Heatran so cover those x4 ice but Im not sure about that.

Thanks for your time and halp plz!
 
Last edited:
If you are using Scarf chomp then I suggest dragon claw over outrage. You don't particularly want to be locked into the move with fairies running wild. You need an out IMO. You are always hitting dragons first so that will either kill or scare them off anyway.
 
Debury said:
If you are using Scarf chomp then I suggest dragon claw over outrage. You don't particularly want to be locked into the move with fairies running wild. You need an out IMO. You are always hitting dragons first so that will either kill or scare them off anyway.
Click to expand...
I thought about that but I usually use garchomp to clean up and trust my predictions to kill the fairies with iron head. Its a good point tough if I manage to get some raw power from somewhere else I could prescind from outrage.
 
Replace Choice Specs on Greninja with Life Orb.Greninja generally wants to switch moves to abuse its ability.The recoil damage is negligible because it is frail as hell so the extra damage doesnt really matters.
Stone Edge over Iron Head on Garchomp.Never use Iron Head on Garchomp in general.EQ hits the vast majority of fairies for with 150 Power(100EQ Base Power +Stab) while an super effective Iron Head hits them for 160 Damage.
Stone Edge allows you to revenge kill Volcarona and Mega Pinsir who is a huge threat for this team.
This team lacks a bit of wallbreaking power,most defensive Teams can handle the you offensive mons .Eventually change you Aegieslash spread and use the Crumbler set.
This sacrifices longevity for raw wallbreaking power,but Landorus-T and Mega Venusaur are already a solid core so defensive Slash isnt really useful.

Right from alexwolfs OU Analysis

Name: The CRUMBLER
Move 1: Shadow Ball
Move 2: Iron Head / Sacred Sword
Move 3: Shadow Sneak
Move 4: Pursuit / Sacred Sword / King's Shield
Ability: Stance Change
Item: Life Orb / Spooky Plate
Nature: Quiet
Evs: 244 Atk / 252 SpA / 12 Spe

Hope i could help you with your Team.
 
Last edited:
V_Cliff said:
Replace Choice Specs on Greninja with Life Orb.Greninja generally wants to switch moves to abuse its ability.The recoil damage is negligible because it is frail as hell so the extra damage doesnt really matters.
Stone Edge over Iron Head on Garchomp.Never use Iron Head on Garchomp in general.EQ hits the vast majority of fairies for with 150 Power(100EQ Base Power +Stab) while an super effective Iron Head hits them for 160 Damage.
Stone Edge allows you to revenge kill Volcarona and Mega Pinsir who is a huge threat for this team.
This team lacks a bit of wallbreaking power,most defensive Teams can handle the you offensive mons .Eventually change you Aegieslash spread and use the Crumbler set.
This sacrifices longevity for raw wallbreaking power,but Landorus-T and Mega Venusaur are already a solid core so defensive Slash isnt really useful.

Right from alexwolfs OU Analysis

Name: The CRUMBLER
Move 1: Shadow Ball
Move 2: Iron Head / Sacred Sword
Move 3: Shadow Sneak
Move 4: Pursuit / Sacred Sword / King's Shield
Ability: Stance Change
Item: Life Orb / Spooky Plate
Nature: Quiet
Evs: 244 Atk / 252 SpA / 12 Spe

Hope i could help you with your Team.
Click to expand...
Wow you gave me so much valuable information! Ill change garchomp and Greninja now cause youre totally right thanks for pointing those out.
Now about the aegislash I have a question. I really like kings shield but people are usually pretty cautious about it and I dont manage to directly use it besides the pressure it provides and I wouldnt like to get rid of irong head since ice/fairy types scare me a lot. Should I replace kings shield with sacred sword?
 
Im not really sure about the last Moveslot.Under normal circumstances Iron head and Sacred Sword on the same set are a bit redundant ,but you need Sacred Sword for Chansey which completly walls you team with Evolite intact.The Crumbler set should generally abuse its neat typing to switch in and puch holes into the opponents team. However, with no Hp investment, Aegishlash is even in his Blade Form a bit frail,so switching out is often the preferred Option.
So, yeah Sacred Sword > Kings Shield.

Edit: Still unsure about M-Venus Ev spread and Heatran> Exca
 
Last edited:
V_Cliff said:
Im not really sure about the last Moveslot.Under normal circumstances Iron head and Sacred Sword on the same set are a bit redundant ,but you need Sacred Sword for Chansey which completly walls you team with Evolite intact.The Crumbler set should generally abuse its neat typing to switch in and puch holes into the opponents team. However, with no Hp investment, Aegishlash is even in his Blade Form a bit frail,so switching out is often the preferred Option.
So, yeah Sacred Sword > Kings Shield.
Click to expand...

Thats right, tyranitar and chansey are very scary things, ill edit that and start ev training my quiet honedge. Thanks a lot!
 
I think you're too much monotype, you've got 4 EQ user of which 3 are earth type, chomp and lando are both weak to ice and Exadrill and M-venu are only neutral thanks to thick fat.
Skarmory can be pretty nightmarish, being immune to EQ, resistent to grass, ice, dark and iron, Stone Edge that's neutral may become reisted with roost and your only answer il HP fire from Greninja, not the bulkyest pokemon around.
M-Venusaur expecially the more bulky oriented one can be another great problem, and after he kill you greninja he can proceed to eliminate the rest of the team except your own M-Saur.

But before other suggestion maybe is better think to an aim for the team, M-Saur, Agislash and Lando can be a good start but I'd change the others, Chomp and Exca at least.
 
Atamaz said:
I think you're too much monotype, you've got 4 EQ user of which 3 are earth type, chomp and lando are both weak to ice and Exadrill and M-venu are only neutral thanks to thick fat.
Skarmory can be pretty nightmarish, being immune to EQ, resistent to grass, ice, dark and iron, Stone Edge that's neutral may become reisted with roost and your only answer il HP fire from Greninja, not the bulkyest pokemon around.
M-Venusaur expecially the more bulky oriented one can be another great problem, and after he kill you greninja he can proceed to eliminate the rest of the team except your own M-Saur.

But before other suggestion maybe is better think to an aim for the team, M-Saur, Agislash and Lando can be a good start but I'd change the others, Chomp and Exca at least.
Click to expand...
Well I really like chomp so I was planning on switching exca for heatran(dunno If calm or timid) and try to aleviate my ice weakness. Also Im probably going to change the venusaur for a more stall-oriented one with toxic, Gdrain, synthesis and leech seed. As for skarmory I guess heatran would also solve that problem right?
 
Atamaz is right about your weakness to Ice and Mega-Venusaur.Especially Mamoswine and Kyurem-B will give you a lot of trouble .Move those 172 attack Evs into Defense or Spd.EQ is only real useful against Heatran Aegislash and Bisharp.Go for an physical defensive EV spread but you can always move EVs into SpD for a better matchup against special attackers.
You metioned the next one already in the OP.Since Exca is Desingned as an suicide lead and SR can easily removed with Defog,you might wont be able to get the rocks a second time up which lowers the pressure on the opponents Team.The Team is not very
vulnerable against SR so a Harzard Cleaner isnt mandatory.So Heatran over Exca because its a reliable Hazard setter,has a very good synergy with M-Venu,resist ice and stops Talonflame cold (CB T-Flame eats this Team with minor Damage on Chomp and Landorus)

Name: Specially Defensive
Move 1: Lava Plume
Move 2: Stealth Rock
Move 3: Roar / Earth Power
Move 4: Toxic / Will-O-Wisp
ability: Flash Fire
item: Leftovers/Air Ballon
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

You can select the 3. and 4. Moveslot yourself according to your opinion.WoW helps against Heatrans physical checks,but doesnt stops ChardX or other Fire Types. Lava Plume has already a 30% Burn Chance so Toxic might be more appealing.
Earth Power stops other Heatran but is pretty useless outside of that.Roar can rack up Harzard Damage and stops boosting sweepers.

SpD Tyranitar can also be used as an replacement,but while all other Teamates are immune to Sandstorm, Mega-Venusaur doesnt enjoy that passive damage so it doesnt fits that well.

Edit: Ninja`d .
And Skarmory isnt a that big problem, its a free switch in for Greninja and Aegislash.Otherwise you can carry Fire Blast on Chomp over Aqua Tail, but thats only for Scizor and Skarmory.



 
V_Cliff said:
Atamaz is right about your weakness to Ice and Mega-Venusaur.Especially Mamoswine and Kyurem-B will give you a lot of trouble .Move those 172 attack Evs into Defense or Spd.EQ is only real useful against Heatran Aegislash and Bisharp.Go for an physical defensive EV spread but you can always move EVs into SpD for a better matchup against special attackers.
You metioned the next one already in the OP.Since Exca is Desingned as an suicide lead and SR can easily removed with Defog,you might wont be able to get the rocks a second time up which lowers the pressure on the opponents Team.The Team is not very
vulnerable against SR so a Harzard Cleaner isnt mandatory.So Heatran over Exca because its a reliable Hazard setter,has a very good synergy with M-Venu,resist ice and stops Talonflame cold (CB T-Flame eats this Team with minor Damage on Chomp and Landorus)

Name: Specially Defensive
Move 1: Lava Plume
Move 2: Stealth Rock
Move 3: Roar / Earth Power
Move 4: Toxic / Will-O-Wisp
ability: Flash Fire
item: Leftovers/Air Ballon
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

You can select the 3. and 4. Moveslot yourself according to your opinion.WoW helps against Heatrans physical checks,but doesnt stops ChardX or other Fire Types. Lava Plume has already a 30% Burn Chance so Toxic might be more appealing.
Earth Power stops other Heatran but is pretty useless outside of that.Roar can rack up Harzard Damage and stops boosting sweepers.

SpD Tyranitar can also be used as an replacement,but while all other Teamates are immune to Sandstorm, Mega-Venusaur doesnt enjoy that passive damage so it doesnt fits that well.

Edit: Ninja`d .
And Skarmory isnt a that big problem, its a free switch in for Greninja and Aegislash.Otherwise you can carry Fire Blast on Chomp over Aqua Tail, but thats only for Scizor and Skarmory.
Click to expand...
I really like specially defensive heatran, so Ill pick him up over exca definitely w/roar and WoW And about m-venus Im going to try the more stall-oriented build with toxic and invested in a way so he has +320 in each defense. Thank you very much!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top