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that's not a reasonable interpretation of events
my above summary is EXACTLY what happened.

you can argue with my conclusions if you want to, but the summary of events of you saying barely anything all day other than stating your desire to sheep hawkie is factual and you can't really deny that.
look at the timing of eod, i was the first to untie the wagon when i moved my vote to hawkie, the unvotes followed, nor did i say anything during the day regarding hawkie beyond "i'm generally inclined to sheep him", nor did i defend him beyond chaos posting the cfd
that's because you didn't say much of ANYTHING during the day. During the first parts of the chaos you also lynched Spiderz and Nuxl, both of who expressed doubt in hawkie.

In my confs I also list that texas's post about everyone being vest giver or vig shot was exceptionally memey saying that town texas wouldn't out himself like that, but given how today is going I think I drastically misread that.


catching up with the other 2 pages of the thread that I need to read rn.
 
biggest litmus test of the day is for somebody to ask tommy "does mafia have a factional kill" and tag me once you get the answer
back on day 1 I asked tommy if my redirect would direct a factional kill, and he said it would. which implies there is a factional kill, though I guess doesn't outright state it.
 
back on day 1 I asked tommy if my redirect would direct a factional kill, and he said it would. which implies there is a factional kill, though I guess doesn't outright state it.
i asked him the question i stated around 5 PM PST. i kind of want to litmus test the answer i got.
 
i asked him the question i stated around 5 PM PST. i kind of want to litmus test the answer i got.
I mean if I was a host and players were legit questioning if scum had a factional kill, I would give the typical survivor don't-tell-the-players-too-much-answer of can neither confirm or deny.

but I will ask w/ your specific wording I guess, and will reread the earlier exchange when I first asked him if I could redirect a factional kill.
 
summary of earlier exchange was I asked tommy if my redirect could redirect scum's night kill, or if I could not redirect factional kills. (first part I used turn night kills, second part I specifically used factional kill).

his answer was that my role does have the power to redirect night kills. here he uses the term factional kills and uses night kills.
 
ugh proofreading is hard


summary of earlier exchange was I asked tommy if my redirect could redirect scum's night kill, or if I could not redirect factional kills. (first part I used term night kills, second part I specifically used factional kill).

his answer was that my role does have the power to redirect night kills. here he avoids using the term factional kills and uses night kills.
 
but the context was that I was specifically asking if my role only interacted with other role PM's actions or if it also interacted with factional kills, so I feel like it would be incredibly misleading for him to answer the way he answered without meaning that yes my role impacts factional kills.

my explanation of my actions, prior to nuxl asking us to ask tommy this question, also clearly shows that I was under the assumption that I could redirect factional kills and that's what I was trying to do last night.
 
I also explained in my confessionals pretty clearly the different options I was considering and why I was considering them, so if there really are no factional kills ngl I feel like tommy would have basically lied to me and that the game's integrity is pretty trashed.
 
For the record to the rest of town, the reason I suspected Transmuter and wanted them lynched d1 was because of their apparent denial of the dual-role system, which made me think scum didn't have dual-roles. now that hawkie flipped scum with dual-roles, kinda know that isn't the case and that it's not a town-only thing.

still very perplexed on how transmuter answered tbz though, and transmuter's quietness makes me think he still might have been asking for scumbuddies to coach him what to say. But I don't want to get too far the rabbit hole and tunnel on something that I first tunneled in on for a reason that's been proven false.
 
I dont get what you're asking. TBZ was still wrong in thinking we pick our roles, he even said so today. My main confusion was about the picking our role part.
tbz's question to me seemed like he was trying to reference the dual-role stuff in a roundabout way and to give enough clues for town to know while still lying just enough to not reveal the truth so that scum couldn't claim the same system. he said enough that made me confident that his role PM looked a lot like mine.

so yeah seeing the TBZ was confused a bit of an ouch, but at the same time I don't think he's done anything scummy and him being the first one to talk about the role PMs is still pretty towny in my book since I don't think scum does that when they don't know how towny roles look.
 
anyway I think Moody could be scum cause I cant see why scum (Hawkie) would request an extend right before deadline if the lead wagon was town

vote MoodyCloud
moody seems like a p good lynch, I imagine I'll be joining you later, just wanna listen to what a few people in particular say first.
 
my above summary is EXACTLY what happened.

you can argue with my conclusions if you want to, but the summary of events of you saying barely anything all day other than stating your desire to sheep hawkie is factual and you can't really deny that.
As a matter of fact I can. I didn't say ANYTHING about hawkie until I was promoted by nuxl. I was content to Lynch moody and see what happened and spent most of my time bitching that y'all extended. The only time I began to reference hawkie was after NUXL tagged me saying that hawkie TRrd moody and how do I feel about it to which I responded that I was generally inclined to sheep hawkie

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I also explained in my confessionals pretty clearly the different options I was considering and why I was considering them, so if there really are no factional kills ngl I feel like tommy would have basically lied to me and that the game's integrity is pretty trashed.
He literally said this is a bastard game host's are entirely capable of lying

Also why are y'all trying to manipulate the host to solve
 
As a matter of fact I can. I didn't say ANYTHING about hawkie until I was promoted by nuxl. I was content to Lynch moody and see what happened and spent most of my time bitching that y'all extended. The only time I began to reference hawkie was after NUXL tagged me saying that hawkie TRrd moody and how do I feel about it to which I responded that I was generally inclined to sheep hawkie
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you ignored a lot of other questions and pressings but you didn't ignore when nuxl asked you about hawkie.
 
As a matter of fact I can. I didn't say ANYTHING about hawkie until I was promoted by nuxl. I was content to Lynch moody and see what happened and spent most of my time bitching that y'all extended. The only time I began to reference hawkie was after NUXL tagged me saying that hawkie TRrd moody and how do I feel about it to which I responded that I was generally inclined to sheep hawkie
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Prompted not promoted
 
you ignored a lot of other questions and pressings but you didn't ignore when nuxl asked you about hawkie.
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I don't agree with this and you're reading too far into nothing
 
He literally said this is a bastard game host's are entirely capable of lying

Also why are y'all trying to manipulate the host to solve
why don't you reread the thread, he said it's NOT bastard, just unorthodox.

also everything I referred to were questions I asked dusk during day 1 about the limitations or scope of my role powers, you REALLY can't say that asking how my own role PM works is host manipulation :roll_eyes:
 
why don't you reread the thread, he said it's NOT bastard, just unorthodox.

also everything I referred to were questions I asked dusk during day 1 about the limitations or scope of my role powers, you REALLY can't say that asking how my own role PM works is host manipulation :roll_eyes:
I was referring to nuxl saying he wanted to see what dusk said not everything is about you JEEZ
 
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