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NOC Immorality Mafia N2
- Thread starter Tommy
- Start date
yes, moody claimed they may or may not be vig on day 1.
all evidence is pointing towards Texas killing caff due to my redirect.
the question is if we believe texas is town vig or not.
but I am fairly confident that moody or texas is scum, and moody being the lynch target before hawkie extended suggests hawkie could have been trying to save moody but it backfired.
we lynch moody today, but I want people to tell me who I need to redirect texas's vig shot to if moody flips town. If moody flips scum, then I don't need to redirect texas's vig shot.
but I am fairly confident that moody or texas is scum, and moody being the lynch target before hawkie extended suggests hawkie could have been trying to save moody but it backfired.
we lynch moody today, but I want people to tell me who I need to redirect texas's vig shot to if moody flips town. If moody flips scum, then I don't need to redirect texas's vig shot.
re: the above, i used my role which is either a vig or a bpv giver, know that i was redirected to which heal claims to have swapped my and caff, and i also know that i received a bpv
thus inferring that i am most likely a vig and thus responsible for the NK
thus inferring that i am most likely a vig and thus responsible for the NK
this is unnecessary regardless, if we agree there isn't a night kill im not acting unless there's a consensus target
lynch Spiderz
i statistically have a 50% chance of being sane cop so no reason not to lynch here lol
I'm saying that I would like a redirect target to redirect your actions to IF something about today or the upcoming lynch makes trust to be reasonably lost with you.
You're the player with the most power in this game, if you're scum then it seems like I'm town's only way to stop your shot if we're lynching the BPV giver. I mean technically there should be another redirector out there too, but they haven't claimed and I think they're scum sooo...
If we can somehow deduce the other redirector, then we could lynch them today instead of moody simply so that they can't redirect my redirect. this of course is under the assumption that you trust me to be the town's redirect. it's possible town has two redirects if this isn't 6-5, but I sorta just don't see it being balanced for town to have two redirectors. though I really shouldn't be putting too much weight into balance when we don't understand the setup.
bleh, it's late and I'm prolly losing logic power so I'll stop.
Can your redirect be redirected?
U-Turn Out
Hawkie - cop
MoodyCloud - bpv giver/vig
Minus 15 -
CaffeineBoost - pair finder
Texas Cloverleaf - bpv give/vig
Nuxl
Thunder~BALLZ - cop
Transmuter
HeaLnDeaL - redirector
Spiderz
I know I'm missing stuff like the tracker/watcher, can someone help me fill them in if you remember?
Hawkie - cop
MoodyCloud - bpv giver/vig
Minus 15 -
CaffeineBoost - pair finder
Texas Cloverleaf - bpv give/vig
Nuxl
Thunder~BALLZ - cop
Transmuter
HeaLnDeaL - redirector
Spiderz
I know I'm missing stuff like the tracker/watcher, can someone help me fill them in if you remember?
I would assume it can, idk if that's standard mechanics or not
can you ask tommy and say what you get
spiderz is one of tracker or watcher
sure
Do we think that there are other ways for players to die at night other than vig? if not, then texas is immune to night kills as the only vig. (plus he has a bpv now, too, sooooo)
this is where my lack of role familiarity comes in, since vig is the only night killing role I know of, other than factional kills.
this is where my lack of role familiarity comes in, since vig is the only night killing role I know of, other than factional kills.
Unless paranoid gun owner then I don't think so
Midnight ramblings.
Heal and Texas are probably town based on literal tone and meta alone and if I lose because of that then whatever. This game is uh, egregiously strange and I'll put my faith on that blah blah blah.
Funnily enough, it's weird that I think Spiderz could be scum because he feels a bit off. Notice the CFD at deadline. This would be insane coordination, but closer to deadline spiderz makes it so the votes go from 4 hawkie 3 spiderz to 3 hawkie 3 spiderz 1 texas (and then texas revotes hawkie to fix that obviously). That's almost suicidal if you're town (or you're just REALLY unaware). In an 8-3 world, Spiderz' is probably town? Since like, why the fuck do you start a CFD on your partner first? Bus of the fucking century, I guess.
Spiderz Why did you swap off of voting TBZ today?
Why would Spiderz be blocked as well? I brought this up earlier. If there is a factional kill, then it's possible that spiderz was the one carrying it out? But, like, shrug?
Though, pairings this game are weird. We basically know that there's four investigative roles (one flipping scum), three alive. One set of vig/BPV passer.
Another of a claimed block, apparently? So in total, four investigatives, four? night action fuckery roles (confirmed three, two redirectors and if spiderz said he's been blocked something is there too), and one set of russian roulette. That's a lot for scum to fight against, isn't it?
I would buy in an 8-3 world that there would be any combination of the above. My guess would be block/investigative/russian roulette or two blocks/investigative, but theory wouldn't get us anywhere. Tommy doesn't really like too many investigatives, so that's kind of why I still have believe in a uh, 6-5 world. But. Well.
If this game is 6-5 no factional kill I think Moody is just auto scum here? Or just really brazen? Let's put into perspective why you would risk a 50-50 on the guy who solidified the vote on hawkie? I personally would have idled, but I also might just have no balls. Disappearing today is not a good look either. Didn't really like his progression on D1 either. I don't exactly think he should've been scumreading me there and then jumped on my hawkie cfd vote?
Wrt my Transmuter read, the ping behind it I mentioned earlier doesn't mean anything now that I think about it. But I also don't mind him voting Moody. Something just feels a bit towny here and I'm not exactly sure why. Gut, I guess? Lol. Transmuter why did you vote spiderz closer to dl?
Kind of same with Minus 15, this guy seems too out of his mindset to give anything conclusive. But we kill the slot if it's paired with Heal in a 6-5 world.
I don't know how Hawkie plays his scumgames so I don't really know how he treats his partners. Spiderz Transmuter Thunder~BALLZ @any other PSer want to help me out with that? I do think his early vote on UTO is preemptive(went from rvs -> actual vote kind of like tbz approaching my slot in rewind) and his save on moody is strange. I don't think it narrows things down fmpov since I don't tend to get reads off of interactions, but UTO probably clear in 8-3 world?
Who else. TBZ? Posted a bit before EOD but didn't stick around for the panic. Inactivity resonates with scummy, but honestly, this game is dead in general so maybe that's just not a tell. Assumedly auto-cleared in 6-5, but I do not think he is ever cleared in 8-3. Especially since if he's mafia he could be lying about his results.
Hm. Opinions on 7-4 but pairings are same alignment? Too much fucking theorycrafting lmfao I don't even want to envision it and might be unlikely to begin with.
Heal and Texas are probably town based on literal tone and meta alone and if I lose because of that then whatever. This game is uh, egregiously strange and I'll put my faith on that blah blah blah.
Funnily enough, it's weird that I think Spiderz could be scum because he feels a bit off. Notice the CFD at deadline. This would be insane coordination, but closer to deadline spiderz makes it so the votes go from 4 hawkie 3 spiderz to 3 hawkie 3 spiderz 1 texas (and then texas revotes hawkie to fix that obviously). That's almost suicidal if you're town (or you're just REALLY unaware). In an 8-3 world, Spiderz' is probably town? Since like, why the fuck do you start a CFD on your partner first? Bus of the fucking century, I guess.
Spiderz Why did you swap off of voting TBZ today?
Why would Spiderz be blocked as well? I brought this up earlier. If there is a factional kill, then it's possible that spiderz was the one carrying it out? But, like, shrug?
Though, pairings this game are weird. We basically know that there's four investigative roles (one flipping scum), three alive. One set of vig/BPV passer.
Another of a claimed block, apparently? So in total, four investigatives, four? night action fuckery roles (confirmed three, two redirectors and if spiderz said he's been blocked something is there too), and one set of russian roulette. That's a lot for scum to fight against, isn't it?
I would buy in an 8-3 world that there would be any combination of the above. My guess would be block/investigative/russian roulette or two blocks/investigative, but theory wouldn't get us anywhere. Tommy doesn't really like too many investigatives, so that's kind of why I still have believe in a uh, 6-5 world. But. Well.
If this game is 6-5 no factional kill I think Moody is just auto scum here? Or just really brazen? Let's put into perspective why you would risk a 50-50 on the guy who solidified the vote on hawkie? I personally would have idled, but I also might just have no balls. Disappearing today is not a good look either. Didn't really like his progression on D1 either. I don't exactly think he should've been scumreading me there and then jumped on my hawkie cfd vote?
Wrt my Transmuter read, the ping behind it I mentioned earlier doesn't mean anything now that I think about it. But I also don't mind him voting Moody. Something just feels a bit towny here and I'm not exactly sure why. Gut, I guess? Lol. Transmuter why did you vote spiderz closer to dl?
Kind of same with Minus 15, this guy seems too out of his mindset to give anything conclusive. But we kill the slot if it's paired with Heal in a 6-5 world.
I don't know how Hawkie plays his scumgames so I don't really know how he treats his partners. Spiderz Transmuter Thunder~BALLZ @any other PSer want to help me out with that? I do think his early vote on UTO is preemptive(went from rvs -> actual vote kind of like tbz approaching my slot in rewind) and his save on moody is strange. I don't think it narrows things down fmpov since I don't tend to get reads off of interactions, but UTO probably clear in 8-3 world?
Who else. TBZ? Posted a bit before EOD but didn't stick around for the panic. Inactivity resonates with scummy, but honestly, this game is dead in general so maybe that's just not a tell. Assumedly auto-cleared in 6-5, but I do not think he is ever cleared in 8-3. Especially since if he's mafia he could be lying about his results.
Hm. Opinions on 7-4 but pairings are same alignment? Too much fucking theorycrafting lmfao I don't even want to envision it and might be unlikely to begin with.
Texas Cloverleaf Consider idling. Not a request, just privately think about it on my behalf.
i'm going to assume the ordering is "picking 2 names", so you know your role at this point but the other redirector should not
do not respond to this, important if i think of a mechanic-related plan