NU Indeedee-F [QC 2/2] [GP 1/1]

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[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Hyper Voice
item: Choice Specs
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Indeedee-F is a great wallbreaker in NU thanks to its coverage moves and raw power that's further boosted by Choice Specs and Psychic Terrain. The lack of good Psychic-type checks also benefits Indeedee-F, since it can hit Dark-types like Silvally-Dark with Hyper Voice and special walls like Clefairy with Psyshock. Aside from Dark-types, Hyper Voice is also Indeedee-F's best move to hit Galarian Stunfisk with. Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nail Steel-types like Ferroseed, Klinklang, and Togedemaru.

Indeedee-F is going to want to use Psychic or Psyshock mostly. Therefore, having a Fighting-type teammate like Choice Scarf Sawk or Toxicroak to handle Steel- and Dark-types is appreciated. Rocky Helmet Sandaconda is a great partner, since it can provide Stealth Rock support to wear down foes, can deal with Galarian Stunfisk, which is one of Indeedee-F's toughest checks, has access to Glare to cripple faster foes like Gourgeist-S, and punishes the use of U-turn. Having a teammate like Togedemaru or Clefairy to bring Indeedee-F in with a pivot move to deal heavy damage helps circumvent its poor bulk. Late-game cleaners such as Swords Dance Rapidash, Choice Scarf Togedemaru, and Cofagrigus appreciate Indeedee-F's breaking power to severely chip their common checks like Skuntank, Galarian Stunfisk, and Silvally-Dark.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Healing Wish / Trick
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its Speed tier, ability in Psychic Surge, coverage moves, and access to two decent utility moves, Indeedee-F is a nice Choice Scarf user in NU. As a revenge killer, Indeedee-F is able to handle threats that are difficult to beat defensively such as non-Choice Scarf Toxicroak. Its STAB moves in Psychic and Psyshock let it choose what it wants to hit based on whether the foe is physically defensive or specially defensive, respectively. Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nab Steel-types like Togedemaru, Klinklang, and Ferroseed, which wall its STAB moves. Healing Wish lets it completely recover a crippled teammate to give it a second chance in battle. Alternatively, Trick cripples slow Pokemon and special walls like Clefairy, Galarian Stunfisk, and Wishiwashi.

Setup sweepers like Silvally-Dark, Swords Dance Toxicroak, and Silvally-Fire make for great teammates, since they deal with checks to Indeedee-F like Malamar and Galarian Stunfisk and benefit from Healing Wish should they become crippled by status or get too worn down from wallbreaking early- and mid-game. Silvally-Dark also has great synergy with Indeedee-F, since Indeedee-F handles Fighting-types, and Silvally-Dark deals with opposing Psychic-types; it also benefits from its Psychic Fangs being boosted by Psychic Terrain. Partners that appreciate Poison-types being gone make great teammates; therefore, Alcremie, Abomasnow, Eldegoss, and Sawk fit well alongside Indeedee-F. In return, Abomasnow can severely weaken the opposing team for Indeedee-F to clean late-game, Eldegoss can spin away entry hazards if need be, and Sawk can wither the opposing team down.

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- Written by: [[Oathkeepre, 83980]]
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make specs first with moves of psychic psyshock mystical fire hyper voice
make scarf's moves psychic psyshock mystical fire healing wish/trick

this may be subject to change later but dgleam is cheeks and definitely shouldnt be on there
 

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Alright! This is ready for QC. RU is nice to me, hopefully you guys are the same lol.
 

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[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Hyper Voice
item: Choice Specs
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Indeedee-F is a decent great (it is A+ on the VR for a reason) wallbreaker in NU thanks to its coverage moves, ability in Psychic Surge raw power that's further boosted by Choice Specs and Psychic Terrain, and Speed tier (probably should include relevant Pokemon you outspeed and threaten if you're going to mention its Speed tier). Choice Specs helps its already decent Special Attack and hits most of the NU tier hard. (I moved this information into the previous sentence for organization purposes, plus saying that Choice Specs hits the tier hard is a bit silly) Psychic, in tandem with Psychic Terrain from Psychic Surge, lets Indeedee-F beat physically defensive threats like Dubwool, Sandaconda, and Quagsire. Alternatively, Psyshock nabs bulky threats on the specially defensive side such as Clefairy and Flareon. (the way this sentence is worded right now it reads as though you're picking between the two, which is false. Furthermore, I think you can leave out the sentence on Psychic entirely and focus just on how Psyshock smacks special walls) Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nail Steel-types like Ferroseed, Klinklang, and Togedemaru, and Perrserker (this mon is frail as fuck and dies to a gust of wind). Finally, Hyper Voice hits Dark-types such as Silvally-Dark, Malamar, and Skuntank.

Indeedee-F is going to want to use Psychic or Psyshock mostly. Therefore, having a Fighting-type teammate like Choice Scarf Sawk or Toxicroak to handle Steel- and Dark-types is appreciated. Teammates who take advantage of Psychic Terrain such as Galarian Stunfisk or Choice Scarf Galarian Rapidash make good partners. Due to Psychic Terrain, Galarian Stunfisk uses its ability Mimicry to become Psychic-type and switch in on opposing Indeedee-F and provide Stealth Rock support. Conversely, Galarian Rapidash can hit threats faster than Indeedee-F or nail Dark-types with its secondary STAB Fairy-type moves. (I do not think at all that talking about Psychic Terrain synergy is necessary unless you're going to stress Psychic Fangs Silvally formes or really niche options like Psychic Seed Drifblim and Thievul. I've never seen the combination of Galarian Rapidash + Indeedee-F, but the former is a generally awful Pokemon, and Galarian Stunfisk doesn't need Psychic Terrain support of its own because Mimicry activates when switching into terrain set by the opponent's Indeedee-F too.) Having a Choice Scarf teammate (it's better to focus on them being pivots rather than Choice Scarf users) like Togedemaru or Unfezant can pivot and bring in Indeedee-F to deal heavy damage. The aforementioned Sawk is another option since it can delete Steel- and Dark-types which Indeedee-F doesn't like. (add a sentence about late-game cleaners that benefit from Indeedee-F's wallbreaking, and consider in specific the types of foes Indeedee-F is generally good at drawing in and chipping for solid damage)

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Healing Wish / Trick
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its Speed tier, ability in Psychic Surge, coverage moves, and access to two decent utility moves, Indeedee-F is a nice Choice Scarf user in NU. Its STAB moves in Psychic and Psyshock let it choose what it wants to hit based on the opponent (opponent = the person you are battling, while foe = the Pokemon). Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nab Steel-types like Togedemaru, Klinklang, and Ferroseed which otherwise wall its STAB moves. Healing Wish lets it completely recover a crippled teammate to give it a second chance in battle. Alternatively, Trick cripples slow Pokemon or special walls like Clefairy, Galarian Stunfisk, or and (when the list is referring to a plural noun like "walls" or "wallbreakers", you use "and") Cursola.

Setup(spacing) sweepers like Silvally-Dark, Swords Dance Toxicroak, and Shell Smash Crustle (better examples) make for great teammates since they deal with checks to Indeedee-F like Dark-types and opposing Psychic-types, as well as benefit from Healing Wish from Indeedee-F should they become crippled by status. (I would put emphasis on Silvally-Dark and Toxicroak for the Healing Wish bit because they appreciate being able to wallbreak early- and mid-game and having the option to come back late-game at full health) Crustle also provides Stealth Rock or Spikes support if need be. (nah) Indeedee-F values its Choice Scarf, so teammates like Alcremie or the aforementioned Silvally-Dark work as partners to be Knock Off switch-ins. (Indeedee-F is straight up dying to Knock Off most of the time, so I don't really see the point of this sentence) Silvally-Dark forms great synergy with Indeedee-F since Indeedee-F handles Fighting-types for it and Silvally-Dark deals with opposing Psychic-types. (it also benefits from its Psychic Fangs being boosted) Partners that appreciate Poison-types being gone make great teammates. Therefore, Abomasnow, Eldegoss, and Sawk appreciate Indeedee-F dealing with them. (why are these split into two sentences) In return, Abomasnow can set up Aurora Veil for its team, Eldegoss can spin away hazards if need be, and Sawk can wither the opposing team down and take pressure off of Indeedee-F.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Oathkeepre, 83980]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
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tag me when you've implemented this
 

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[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Hyper Voice
item: Choice Specs
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Indeedee-F is a great wallbreaker in NU thanks to its coverage moves and raw power that's further boosted by Choice Specs and Psychic Terrain. (I feel we can talk more about Indeedee-F's niche up here and why it's such a dominant pick. I think talking about the lack of good Psychic-type checks would be nice; Dark-types are vulnerable to Hyper Voice, and Clefairy is bopped by Psyshock, so the only real consistent switch-in is Galarian Stunfisk) Psyshock hits special walls such as Clefairy and Flareon. Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nail Steel-types like Ferroseed, Klinklang, and Togedemaru. Finally, Hyper Voice hits Dark-types such as Silvally-Dark, Malamar, and Skuntank and is Indeedee-F's best move to hit Galarian Stunfisk with.

Indeedee-F is going to want to use Psychic or Psyshock mostly. Therefore, having a Fighting-type teammate like Choice Scarf Sawk or Toxicroak to handle Steel- and Dark-types is appreciated. Having a teammate like Togedemaru or Unfezant can pivot and to bring in Indeedee-F in with a pivot move to deal heavy damage helps circumvent its poor bulk. (Indeedee-F dies to a light poke on the shoulder, and the other edits are generally helpful for wording) The aforementioned Sawk is another option since it can delete Steel- and Dark-types which Indeedee-F doesn't like. Late-game cleaners such as Calm Mind Alcremie, Choice Scarf Togedemaru, and Cofagrigus appreciate Indeedee-F's breaking power to severely chip their common checks like Skuntank, Galarian Stunfisk or, and Silvally-Dark. (added Skuntank to this list because it's a fairly good answer to setup Cofagrigus sets)

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Healing Wish / Trick
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its Speed tier, ability in Psychic Surge, coverage moves, and access to two decent utility moves, Indeedee-F is a nice Choice Scarf user in NU. (again, we can definitely do more than just list some basic traits here. consider Indeedee-F's role as a revenge killer and Pokemon that can be rough to handle defensively that Indeedee-F provides teams with an offensive means of counterplay to) Its STAB moves in Psychic and Psyshock let it choose what it wants to hit based on the foe (this sentence isn't too helpful in its current form. what am I targeting with Psychic? Psyshock?). Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nab Steel-types like Togedemaru, Klinklang, and Ferroseed which otherwise wall its STAB moves. Healing Wish lets it completely recover a crippled teammate to give it a second chance in battle. Alternatively, Trick cripples slow Pokemon or special walls like Clefairy, Galarian Stunfisk, and Cursola.

Set up Setup sweepers like Silvally-Dark, Swords Dance Toxicroak, and Coil Sandaconda (nope, terrible set) make for great teammates since they deal with checks to Indeedee-F like opposing Psychic-types, Dark-types, and Steel-types as well as benefit from Healing Wish from Indeedee-F should they become crippled by status (yea especially no to Coil Sandaconda if you're gonna talk about status; Shed Skin is an ability). Silvally-Dark and Toxicroak are nice in particular because they appreciate being able to wallbreak early-to-mid game early- to mid-game and having the option to come back late-game at full health. Silvally-Dark also forms great synergy with Indeedee-F since Indeedee-F handles Fighting-types for it and Silvally-Dark deals with opposing Psychic-types; it also benefits from its Psychic Fangs being boosted from the Psychic Terrain. Partners that appreciate Poison-types being gone make great teammates; (this should be a semicolon. therefore is a subordinating conjunction, so if it's connecting two independent clauses, it takes a semicolon before it and a comma after it) therefore, Abomasnow, Eldegoss, and Sawk appreciate Indeedee-F dealing with them. In return, Abomasnow can set up Aurora Veil for its team, Eldegoss can spin away hazards if need be, and Sawk can wither the opposing team down and take pressure off of Indeedee-F. (honestly it's probably better to talk about Abomasnow in terms of its Choice Specs set rather than its support set)

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Oathkeepre, 83980]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

same colors as last time, QC 1/2 when done
 

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  • I'd mention something about checking the common faster mons that threaten it (Pretty much any Silvally - Multi Attack hurts a lot, Togedemaru U-Turn). Something like a physdef mon like (Rocky Helmet) Sandaconda is a decent partner; deals with Stunfisk, offers SR support, is some form of check vs Silvally's with Glare, takes 0 from Togedemaru etc. maybe you can find more. These faster threats are a major reason hampering Indeedees viabilty.
  • Having a teammate like Togedemaru or Unfezant to bring Indeedee-F in with a pivot to deal heavy damage
    Replace Unfezant with Clef or Wishiwashi.
    which Indeedee-F doesn't like
    'doesn't like' -> struggles to get past.
    Late-game cleaners such as Calm Mind Alcremie, Choice Scarf Togedemaru, and Cofagrigus
    Replace Calm Mind Alcremie with Rapidash or a Silvally.
  • Alternatively, Trick cripples slow Pokemon or special walls like Clefairy, Galarian Stunfisk, and Cursola.
    Put Wishiwashi over Cursola.
  • Setup sweepers like Silvally-Dark, Swords Dance Toxicroak, and Silvally-Fire make for great teammates since they deal with checks to Indeedee-F like opposing Psychic-types, Dark-types, and Steel-types
    Give some examples.
  • Very minor but Alcremie can help vs Silvally-Dark <-> Indeedee gets rid of poison types

QC 2/2 after this.
 

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[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Hyper Voice
item: Choice Specs
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Indeedee-F is a great wallbreaker in NU thanks to its coverage moves and raw power that's further boosted by Choice Specs and Psychic Terrain. Given the The lack of good Psychic-type checks is also evident since Indeedee-F benefits Indeedee-F, since it can hit Dark-types like Silvally-Dark with Hyper Voice and special walls like Clefairy get nailed by with Psyshock. Psyshock hits special walls such as Clefairy and Flareon. (unnecessary given previous sentence) Aside from Dark-types, Hyper Voice is also Indeedee-F's best move to hit Galarian Stunfisk with. Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nail Steel-types like Ferroseed, Klinklang, and Togedemaru. Finally, Hyper Voice hits Dark-types such as Silvally-Dark, Malamar, and Skuntank and is Indeedee-F's best move to hit Galarian Stunfisk with.(cut the Dark-types bit out and moved to a better spot)

Indeedee-F is going to want to use Psychic or Psyshock mostly. Therefore, having a Fighting-type teammate like Choice Scarf Sawk or Toxicroak to handle Steel- and Dark-types is appreciated. Rocky Helmet Sandaconda is a great partner for Indeedee-F,(AC) since it can provide Stealth Rock support to wear down foes, can deal with Galarian Stunfisk, which is one of Indeedee-F's toughest checks, has access to Glare to cripple faster foes like Gourgeist-S, and is a good U-turn switch in punishes the use of U-turn. Having a teammate like Togedemaru or Clefairy to bring Indeedee-F in with a pivot move to deal heavy damage helps circumvent its poor bulk. The aforementioned Sawk is another option since it can delete Steel- and Dark-types which Indeedee-F struggles to get past. (you mention all of this in the previous sentence about Sawk, so no need to repeat it here) Late-game cleaners such as Swords Dance Rapidash, Choice Scarf Togedemaru, and Cofagrigus appreciate Indeedee-F's breaking power to severely chip their common checks like Skuntank, Galarian Stunfisk, and Silvally-Dark.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Psychic
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Mystical Fire
move 4: Healing Wish / Trick
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Psychic Surge
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its Speed tier, ability in Psychic Surge, coverage moves, and access to two decent utility moves, Indeedee-F is a nice Choice Scarf user in NU. As a revenge killer, Indeedee-F is able to handle threats that are difficult to beat defensively such as non-Choice Scarf Toxicroak. Its STAB moves in Psychic and Psyshock let it choose what it wants to hit based on whether the foe is physically defensive or specially defensive, respectively. Mystical Fire lets Indeedee-F nab Steel-types like Togedemaru, Klinklang, and Ferroseed,(AC) which otherwise wall its STAB moves. Healing Wish lets it completely recover a crippled teammate to give it a second chance in battle. Alternatively, Trick cripples slow Pokemon or and special walls like Clefairy, Galarian Stunfisk, and Wishiwashi.

Setup sweepers like Silvally-Dark, Swords Dance Toxicroak, and Silvally-Fire make for great teammates,(AC) since they deal with checks to Indeedee-F like opposing Psychic-types, Dark-types, and Steel-types such as opposing Indeedee-F (RC, this list gets very daunting, and I think it's fine here to just give the specific examples) Malamar (RC) and Galarian Stunfisk as well as and benefit from Healing Wish from Indeedee-F should they become crippled by status or get too worn down from wallbreaking early- and mid-game. Silvally-Dark and Toxicroak are nice in particular because they appreciate being able to wallbreak early- to mid- game and having the option to come back late-game at full health. (realistically Silvally-Fire can wallbreak for itself too, albeit to a lesser degree given its entry hazard weakness makes it preferable to preserve for later) Silvally-Dark also forms has great synergy with Indeedee-F,(AC) since Indeedee-F handles Fighting-types,(AC) for it and Silvally-Dark deals with opposing Psychic-types; it also benefits from its Psychic Fangs being boosted from the by Psychic Terrain. Partners that appreciate Poison-types being gone make great teammates; therefore, Alcremie, Abomasnow, Eldegoss, and Sawk appreciate Indeedee-F dealing with them fit well alongside Indeedee-F. In return, Abomasnow can severely weaken its the opposing team with Choice Specs damage for Indeedee-F to clean late-game, Eldegoss can spin away entry hazards if need be, and Sawk can wither the opposing team down and take pressure off of Indeedee-F (unless you wanna clarify what this means, it's rather meaningless in this current form though).

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Oathkeepre, 83980]]
- Quality checked by: [[Rabia, 336073], [poh, 298730]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

gp 1/1 when done
 

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