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Nightsword21

This is perhaps my first major RMT so tear it apart and add suggestions or different pokemon for my team. I want to make a team as effective as possible and I would like to hear some of what you have to say.


Team at a glance
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Pokemon:
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Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
Nature: Modest
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere
-Flamethrower
-Shadow Ball

My lead and anti-lead. Can take a hit and can suprise people by its suprising speed and knocking out some common leads. Shadow Ball for Azelf.



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Forretress @ Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 162 Atk / 96 Def
Nature: Relaxed
-Gyro Ball
-Rapid Spin
-Explosion
-Stealth Rock

Standard Forretress. Used to spin away item hazards, lay down stealth rock, and destroy anything that might be used to set up a possible sweep. Used to wall Heracross as well.

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Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
Nature: Jolly
-Pursuit
-Ice Shard
-Brick Break
-Night Slash

Revenge Killer. Used to take out speedy sweeper pokemon (ie Alakazam). Ice Shard over Ice Punch if there is any threat of a Dragon type or Scarfed pokemon.

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Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 232 SpA / 26 SpD
Nature: Brave
-Crunch
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
-Ice Beam

Expert Belted Tyranitar due to item clause that is difficult to wall. Hits a wide variety of different pokemon with Super Effective attacks and Expert Belt is used to keep him hitting hard for as long as possible.

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Electivire @ Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
Nature: Lonely
-Thunderbolt
-Cross Chop
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake

Physically based Electivire and perhaps the pokemon I'm wondering about taking out since he doesn't seem to fit well with my team. Is a stand in against different enemies that give my team some trouble such as Zapdos and Gyrados.


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Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 124 HP / 252 Def / 132 SpA
Nature: Bold
-Surf
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam
-Recover

Definately not the Poke she once was but still fits nicely with my team with the ability to switch in to an obvious status inducing situation and take down Dragons that can create problems.


Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

*Edit* Changes in Bold
 
Definately don't give T-tar stealth rock, every turn you don't use his massive power your opponent will thank you. Flamethrower over it seems nice to hit steel types.

Also your team leaves no room for status absorbing. Blissey will cripple you with toxic, and spiritomb/duskinor will burn you.

Possibly replace Electivire with a pokemon that has the guts ability.
 
Engineer said:
Definately don't give T-tar stealth rock, every turn you don't use his massive power your opponent will thank you. Flamethrower over it seems nice to hit steel types.

Also your team leaves no room for status absorbing. Blissey will cripple you with toxic, and spiritomb/duskinor will burn you.

Possibly replace Electivire with a pokemon that has the guts ability.
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You bring up an interesting point. The main thing with my team is to take a hit and hit back harder. Is there any recommendation for a good guts Pokemon?
 
Engineer said:
Definately don't give T-tar stealth rock, every turn you don't use his massive power your opponent will thank you. Flamethrower over it seems nice to hit steel types.

Also your team leaves no room for status absorbing. Blissey will cripple you with toxic, and spiritomb/duskinor will burn you.

Possibly replace Electivire with a pokemon that has the guts ability.
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T-tar can smash Steels with Earthquake, and the airborners, Bronzong and Skarmory, take a huge hit out of Crunch and Stone Edge (respectively). I suspect Stealth Rock is mainly for when the switches seem obvious but you dont know what they switch into - like a Scarfed Heatran locked into Fire Blast but you dont know 4/6th of your opponents team.

His team does infact have a status absorber, but as I can only think of one status it absorbs (Electivire absorbs T-Wave) , yeah he does need a Status Absorber. As a Guts pokemon, Hariyama works well.

Or you could change Vaporeon. Milotic dons a more reliable recovery move, Special Defense the former is jealous of, can use Hypnosis, and has a slightly higher Speed that can make the difference against slow sweepers like Marowak and Machamp. Milotic can serve as a RestTalker (activates Marvel Scale) and when she's got x1.5 defense, she trumps Vaporeon and still has a HP stat even Snorlax is proud of. As a BulkyWater alone, she's still good.
 
Thanks for your input. I've decided to lose Vaporeon for Milotic to compensate for my status effect weakness.


As for Ice Shard. Weavile learns it as Sneasel at level 49.
 
I had meant to impliment this at the top post but it seems I can no longer edit it. =(

Strategy:

The pokemon I place in there are used in there are based on suprise, anti-sweeping, and taking a hit and hitting back harder. They play off of each others weaknesses and when I came up with this team I came up with them with the idea that you were going to have a hard time taking this team on if you think to beat them by traditional methods.

I used a lot of Bulky Pokemon (save Weavile who is used more for taking out probable threats and Scarfed Pokes) to negetate many sweepers and take them out with ease so obviously prediction is the key with this team. I can't think of a major weakness for the team (some pokes I might have trouble with but not one I can think of that eliminates the team completely) and I have been happy with the result.
 
I decided to put up a threat list for my Pokemon.



Tyranitar: Weavile can come in an eliminate an otherwise significant threat.

Gyarados: Electivire can come in and eliminate it without having to worry too much.

Infernape: A problem poke. Milotic can come and fight it although it doesn't like taking hits from Grass Knot. Togekiss can come in and take it out with ease however.

Azelf: Togekiss can wall it and hit back with Shadowball.

Rhyperior: Milotic's Surf to take care of it. Next?

Electivire: Not as common but still a significant threat. Weavile can come in and beat it or Milotic can come in to defeat it but it won't have the luxury of having an Electic attack to come in on.

Heracross: The one pokemon I can see my team having the most problems against. If it is not Choice Scarfed then Togekiss can come in and ruin it but Choice Scarf can be walled by Forretress. If those two are out of commition then best I can hope for is that they are able to survive a hit from it and hit back.

Salamence: You should see how some people react when their best Pokemon is eliminated instantly by Weavile's Ice shard. Milotic can come in if Weavile's MIA.

Togekiss: A lot of predicting is needed for this but it is not as big of a threat to my team as other Pokemon are. Milotic can come in and stop it or Weavile can come in and kill it otherwise. Choice Scarf is very hard to expect (primarily why I have one on my team) so Weavile is the Pokemon I like to have out against a threat like that.

Gengar: Weavile can make short work of it. Next?

Raikou: Weavile can come in and KO it before it has the chance to come in or Tyranitar can prevent it from doing much damage.

Lucario: Oh boy, if it is the Scarfed special set then I'm in trouble. Once I figure out what it is I can take care of it easily but Weavile can fight it if it is anything other than the Choice Scarf set. This is a poke I tend to have trouble with.

Tauros: People use this Pokemon? Huh, I think most of my team can defeat it before it does any real damage.

Starmie: Milotic and Electivire.

Weavile: Forrey is a lifesaver here. Can run Gyroball to end the Weavile threat.

Dugtrio: Doesn't pose a big threat unless it's late in the game and I'm down a few key pokes. Milotic and Weavile can defeat it and Tyranitar can hit it back harder than it can hit Tyranitar most of the time.

Alakazam: Weavile. If he's down then Milotic.

PorygonZ: Weavile and Milotic (again).

Medicham: The "glass cannon" doesn't really threaten my team unless it is Scarfed. Forrey can wall it (unless it packs Fire Punch) or Milotic.

Staraptor: Weavile and Milotic (again, again).

Slowbro: An interesting pokemon that can probably take a team member out but that's it. Electivire can come in against it or Tyranitar can take it out but it'd be a tough fight.

Machamp: The pokemon I'm most worried about since if it runs the right set it's a clean sweep unless Forrey explodes on it and takes it out.

Jolteon: Eh, Electivire and Weavile, continuing.

Aerodactyl: No big problems here, Milotic, Weavile, and Tyranitar can run through this thing.

Snorlax: Weavile can wreck it or Forrey can use it as a setup before Exploding on it.

Zapdos: Electivire can make things hard for this crazy bird. Otherwise Tyranitar can come in and bash it.

Blissey: Big deal. Milotic can come in and use it for Marvel Scale or Weavile, Tyranitar, and Electivire can wear it down.

Suicune: Even if it comes in with Max EVs in defense and HP it'll have a tough time surviving Stealth Rocks or a hard punch from Weavile or Electivire.

Gyarados: Electivire can defeat it before it has time to set up or other Pokemon can come in and defeat it (Milotic).

Infernape: Oh boy here's another problem pokemon. Milotic can try and defeat it although it doesn't like taking a shot from Grass Knot and Weavile can fight it but if it breaks lose I'm in trouble.

Sceptile: Weavile and Milotic (see a pattern here?)

Breloom: Priority is key against Breloom so Weavile can Ice shard any hopes it has to hurt the team.

Slaking: Prediction is key. If Slaking isn't expecting it I can kill it with Tyranitar or Weavile but it will probably hurt hard otherwise.

Tangrowth: Weavile and Tyranitar.

Ninjask: Ice Shard. No real threat here.

Metagross: Better have a gameplan if you plan on using him here since Togekiss can defeat it or Milotic can hit it hard before letting others wear it down.

Heatran: Milotic is used to wall Heatran.

Celebi: Weavile and Milotic (this is getting to be too common)

Jirachi: Togekiss can help wear it down as well as Weavile can finish it off.

Scizor: Togekiss with Flamethrower makes quick work of it and screws up any leads with Scizor. Tyranitar can be used as well.

Swampert: Can be troublesome. Milotic can wear it down but I can't think of anyone on my team that can counter it well.

That's all I can think of as far as counters.




I have made it hard to find a real counter against my team but there is a huge gaping hole against Fighting types that can run through my team (Infernape and a Mixed Lucario). I was thinking about which pokemon I should use that can run counter to the rampant Fighting types around since I was thinking about ditching Electivire or Foretress for it.
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Okay, I got your pm and looked at the thread. Looks like you've put a lot of hard work into and haven't got very much help. I'll try my best to help you out!

I would probably suggest you change up a few things. First off Weavile doesn't seem like it fits on the team much, so I would probably try running a SD Lucario. It can help take out faster pokemon with E-Speed/Bullet Punch, and it will be a deadly late game Sweeper. It also gives you a nice switch into a CB Tar.

Lucario @ Life Orb
252 Attack/252 Speed/4 HP
Adamant
- Close Combat
- Crunch / Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Extremespeed

Crunch over Bullet Punch so that you can actually hit Rotom in my opinion. But if you're paranoid about Gengar, Bullet Punch could be of some use, not much other than just hitting the not to common Gengar switch in. Extremespeed is there so you can hit the much more common LO Zapdos, who dies with SR up.

Next I would suggest that you run a Mamoswine over Electivire. Electivire is sorta dead weight on the team is seems to me. Not to many people fall for the Water + Vire more than once, so I would probably just drop it all together. Mamoswine, doesn't get the boost, but it does completely resist the attack, so that's a plus. Mamoswine can also keep the Dragons in check, bar Kingdra. A LO MixMamo could be really effective on this team, clearing the way for Tar and Lucario.

That's a very interesting Tar set you have there, I'm interested as to how it works. I would probably just LO that, so that he can do as much damage as possible, since that really is his main role. Hit Hard early on to clear the way late game for your other sweeper. If worst comes to worse, you could run Dragon Dance on there over one of the moves so you get an extra boost in attack, but he may lose coverage on either Steels, or Flyers. If you go down that road drop Ice Beam since gliscor isn't too common, and Crunch should do enough to Zapdos after a DD.

Lastly, go back to vaporeon over Milotic. The wish is too valueable to pass over. You could always have Mamo switch into the predicted T-waves, and then Forre for predicted toxics. You could however run a Machamp over Lucario if you're really that paranoid about not having a status absorber, but you won't have that great of a late game sweeper.

Lastly, for your Togekiss, how well does that work? I would suggest maybe a Thunder Wave Togekiss, but if that set is working by all means keep using it. If it's not working as well as you though, Thunder Wave could be a great asset to this team, as most of your sweepers aren't too quick, and if you slow down the opponents faster pokemon, it would really help out along the road.
 
You could perhaps give Roost or Wish to Togekiss, which helps with his surivibility. You don't need Flamethrower that much, except for the Psychic Steels...just an option.
 
You could perhaps give Roost or Wish to Togekiss, which helps with his surivibility. Apart from Kiss, Agility Metagross owns your team.
 
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