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January 2012 Statistics Discussion
- Thread starter SJCrew
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I've been laddering and there hasn't been much Raikou on the ladder surprisingly. Maybe it's because people are overpreparing for it, maybe because it faces competition from Zapdos, I'm not sure. What surprises me is Raikou barely being top 50 1337.
Also, as soon as you break the 1250 barrier Swampert usage disappears. I think it might actually be useful in this meta, so I'm surprised to see it so high on the regular stats and so low on the 1337 stats. 350 Attack and Waterfall/Earthquake/Ice Punch can't be that bad...
It's also nice to see Honchkrow get the UU status it deserves. But as far as I'm concerned Hitmontop at #2 is a gigantic mystery. I feel that Blastoise is a better Spinner and Hitmontop's inability to beat Spikers (at least Blastoise can status them...) and general lack of bulk (base 50 HP is just terrible unless you're Deoxys) really hurts it in this metagame, not to mention hazard weaknesses. Though Blastoise suffers from the same problems, I feel Blastoise can shut more threats down and spread Burn with Scald.
Another thing:
There is a reason for this discrepancy. Gligar is Steelix with better typing and reliable recovery.
Please drop. I would lol.
Also, as soon as you break the 1250 barrier Swampert usage disappears. I think it might actually be useful in this meta, so I'm surprised to see it so high on the regular stats and so low on the 1337 stats. 350 Attack and Waterfall/Earthquake/Ice Punch can't be that bad...
It's also nice to see Honchkrow get the UU status it deserves. But as far as I'm concerned Hitmontop at #2 is a gigantic mystery. I feel that Blastoise is a better Spinner and Hitmontop's inability to beat Spikers (at least Blastoise can status them...) and general lack of bulk (base 50 HP is just terrible unless you're Deoxys) really hurts it in this metagame, not to mention hazard weaknesses. Though Blastoise suffers from the same problems, I feel Blastoise can shut more threats down and spread Burn with Scald.
Another thing:
the stats said:
the leet stats said:
There is a reason for this discrepancy. Gligar is Steelix with better typing and reliable recovery.
stats said:
Please drop. I would lol.
So thats not what the point of this thread is about? (heavy sarcasm) so a pokemon that is dropping in usage and has a high chance of being UU is not discussion worthy?
That is a funny stat to see. Lickilicky my fav poke in Gen IV. UU is now getting a higher usage than weavile. Im curious what set lickilicky users are using. Because I tried the good old special tank but it lives up to only 1 of its reputation. Being "old" :/
I don't think Froslass is getting enough love. It is easily one of the best spikers in the entire tier and I would even say that is as good or better than Deoxys-D as a spiker for offensive teams. If/When Deoxys-D leaves the tier, I expect Froslass to go up in usage.
Honestly for an offensive team, I'd use Scolipede. I'll give Froslass the benefit of Spin Blocking and Spiking, and access to Taunt, but really thats not much. Froslass can't do much to either Hitmontop or Blastoise, so that benefit is kinda moot. Add to that Froslass has terrible defensive typing, and lacks the power to abuse offensive typing, and thats why people are going elsewhere. Now Scolipede is a tad faster and stronger, and the bulk isn't missed on the offensive team. Megahorn is another huge up in power (adding swarm is even better), and quakeslide gets great high powered coverage with it. Scolipede can also opt for Toxic Spikes, if thats what your team needs.
I suppose Scolipede has some selling points, like laying down and absorbing Toxic Spikes, but it isn't necessarily better than Froslass. She has access to Taunt and Destiny Bond, which are both great moves for any fast spiker, and being able to spinblock in a pinch is also really convenient. Even if she cannot block some spinners efficiently, it is still better than having no spinblocker at all.
Froslass' defensive typing and offensive stats aren't too relevant, as she isn't really meant to defend or attack, but rather to set up as many spikes as possible while "stunning" your opponent with Taunt and Destiny Bond. Scolipede lacks access to these moves, so it really just depends on whether you want a hard hitting Bug/Poison that can set up and absorb toxic spikes or an Ice/Ghost that can stun your opponent while setting up. They are both good offensive spikers, and it mainly depends on your team's needs and your personal tastes to decide which would fit better.
Froslass' defensive typing and offensive stats aren't too relevant, as she isn't really meant to defend or attack, but rather to set up as many spikes as possible while "stunning" your opponent with Taunt and Destiny Bond. Scolipede lacks access to these moves, so it really just depends on whether you want a hard hitting Bug/Poison that can set up and absorb toxic spikes or an Ice/Ghost that can stun your opponent while setting up. They are both good offensive spikers, and it mainly depends on your team's needs and your personal tastes to decide which would fit better.
Fair points, I had forgotten completely about Destiny Bond (thanks a ton SC-lass >.>). I guess Froslass is just in the unfortunate position of competing with the King of 1337 stats and Queen of normal stats. Hopefully when people start diversifying, other spikers will get some more usage.
froslass is just as good as rose/deo-d or even better (beats rose imo)
froslass is faster (ie beats deo-d), can ward off xatu (unlike deo-d), acts as a bad spinblocker (but as stated, still better than nothing) and also has an extra utility option of destiny bond
froslass is faster (ie beats deo-d), can ward off xatu (unlike deo-d), acts as a bad spinblocker (but as stated, still better than nothing) and also has an extra utility option of destiny bond
Sash + Destiny Bond Froslass is an extremely safe bet as a lead, usually managing to get a layer of spikes and either a KO or a spinblock later in the match.
Sand on 30% of teams. I miss Hail.
Honestly the only thing that majorly irks me about sand is that sand veil is still unbanned; it is absolutely possible to play around sand teams otherwise.
Couldn't this exact argument be used for Hail?
It's still possible to play around sand veil. Gligar dodging one attack every five turns is not that bad. Also, there are zero pokemon in UU with Sand Veil.
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