kholdstaire's return: back in the game

[The.Lost.Hylian]

So yeah, I took a long Pokemon break, and a few months ago started playing again. Most of you know me as kholdstaire, and before that Exploud on Netbattle. I've been playing since the Substitute glitch in 2nd gen on Netbattle. Since I got back into the game in January, I've slowly been playing more online (was playing Platinum). I didn't want to post a RMT until I really found a team I'd want to fine tune to perfection.

I love stall. I played it a bit over the years, and, while I don't claim to be the best, 10 years of competitive Pokemon has made me get better with it. So, without further ado, I give you...

Team At A Glance​

@ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 172 HP / 112 Atk / 104 Spd / 120 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Stats: 384 HP / 290 Atk / 236 Def / 262 Spd / 212 SAtk / 266 SDef
- Thunder Wave
- Wish
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head

Jirachi is a great lead. It can almost always survive at least 1 hit to set up Stealth Rock on the first turn, but usually, it won't take over 50%, so that 2nd turn, I can Thunder Wave and start the Iron Head hax. Wish is for team support as well as a good way to survive Magnezone, because a Paralyzed Flinched Magnezone will more than likely not be getting the 3 hits require to KO (unless it is Spec'd). Thunder Wave neuters the Flying type Pokemon that ignore Spikes and Toxic Spikes on Forretress. 384 HP is Leftovers 16 happy, and the 262 Speed is to always outspeed neutral-Speed-natured Gyarados.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 244 HP / 136 Atk / 128 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd) (0 Spd IV)
Stats: 352 HP / 250 Atk / 382 Def / 76 Spd / 156 SAtk / 156 SDef
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball

Sets up Spikes and Toxic Spikes to further fuck with my opponents. Pretty straight forward, imo. 352 HP is perfect for Leftovers.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 172 HP / 112 Atk / 224 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
Stats: 400 HP / 288 Atk / 360 Def / 130 Spd / 154 SAtk / 180 SDef
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Ice Fang
- Slack Off

Zeus would love him if his bolts could tame this defensive beast. God damn. Ice Fang for Gliscor, but I have a bit of a hard time handling other Gyarados, so I'm debating on Thunder Fang and putting Ice Beam on Blissey over Thunderbolt. Roar moves around my opponent to take more entry hazard damage. Perfect Leftovers recovery here too.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 76 Atk / 144 Def / 96 Spd / 108 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Stats: 352 HP / 335 Atk / 230 Def / 222 Spd / 140 SAtk / 263 SDef
- Rest
- Waterfall
- Roar
- Sleep Talk

I love this thing. With Sleep Talk, I can potentially Roar before my opponent does ANYTHING. Hell yeah! 222 Speed to outspeed neutral-Speed-nature Tyranitar. He's a great defensive Pokemon, and a big asset to the team.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 20 HP / 252 Def / 176 SAtk / 60 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Stats: 656 HP / 50 Atk / 130 Def / 146 Spd / 230 SAtk / 321 SDef
- Wish
- Heal Bell
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower

Wish for more team support so I can stall out longer. Wish is so goddamn good. Heal Bell to wake up Tyranitar and Gyarados, and also cure any other status. Thunderbolt mostly for Gyarados who thinks he can switch in and fuck with me. Flamethrower for Forretress and Scizor, who think Rapid Spin and Swords Dance is okay to do in Blissey's house. The fat bitch says no. She takes most Special Attacks, and she's got perfect Leftovers recovery so she recovers exactly what she loses from the Sand Storm.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 236 HP / 20 Atk / 116 Def / 136 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Stats: 400 HP / 339 Atk / 285 Def / 158 Spd / 203 SAtk / 270 SDef
- Curse
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Rest

Yeah son. This motherfucker right here, he surprises people. No one expects a Special Wall Tyranitar. What other Pokemon can get over 400 HP, 300 Atk, and 400 Special Defense? Only this bastard. He can take Starmie 1v1 as long as the star doesn't have Hydro Pump or Specs. He'll laugh at Flamethrower, Crunch or Stone Edge the switch, Rest off damage, then wake up thanks to Heal Bell. He slowly wears the opponent's out. The Sand Stream from him AND Hippowdon make sure my opponent's Pokemon have a harder time surviving the entry hazards and poisoning.



I love this team, but once Gyarados is down, I have Infernape problems. I also have trouble with DD Gyarados and Taunt Gliscor. Suggestions for better EV spreads is greatly appreciated. Any help would be great. Hopefully the guys I've been playing with since Netbattle are still around, I'd love to battle Goofers or VIL.

 

[Alan]

Hey man, its always nice to see old members come back to the game. This team has some interesting EV spreads, to say the least.

It looks like a pretty solid team I would drop either Tyranitar or Hippowdon probably the former for a Spin Blocker to be honest. Since starmie can come in on anything and just rapid spin away all your Spikes and Stealth Rock and shit. Im not sure how up to date you are on DPP since you've been retired forever, but Rotom-A is the best one currently. RestTalk Rotom-A will do well for your team since Tyranitar can't absorb every status condition.

Rotom-A @ Leftovers
252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpDef
Bold Nature
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Will-O-Wisp / Reflect
-Discharge

I slashed Reflect since you have Toxic Spikes and you won't be able to Burn Pursuiters like TTar so Reflect should help you out in that department, WoW is good for Lucario and Scizor and shit.

Also, on Blissey I would change the SAtk EVs to HP so that it can live more hits, since a no investment Flamethrower should OHKO Forry and Scizor and it will OHKO Gyara after Rocks. I also think Blissey would do fine with Softboiled instead of Wish but it doesn't matter that much.

Anyway other than that it looks good. A Gyarados with a spread of 248 HP / 248 Def / 12 Spe works good too but I suppose yours works.

Anyway, welcome back to Smogon and good luck with your team.

 

[iCharlie]

You have two pokemon with Wish. Wish is hard enough to pass around so 1 is enough. I think Blissey will be better with Softboiled. If you have problems with Infernape/ DD Gyara/ Gliscor then your best bet is a Scarf Starmie.

Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Timid (Natural Cure)
EV: 252 Spd / 252 S.Atk / 4 Hp
Moveset:
-Surf / Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot / Trick
-Thunderbolt

All your problems have been answered. This can kill all you mentioned even DDgyara after +1Dragon Dance. And for an added bonus, Starmie can absorb status for you because of its ability.

Also I don't like how slow your team looks I mean the fastest pokemon you have is that Jirachi and its your lead. It won't be surviving a long time especially with all the Metagross' and Azelfs around. Don't get me wrong, Jirachi is a very reliable pokemon even as a lead. I just think you need more fire power in your team. You're relying on residual damage. All your pokemon are not that effective at damage dealing. What this seems like is a very Bulky Offensive Stall team (Correct me if I'm wrong).

My biggest concern right now is the Hippowdon. I would swap it for something more offensive. There's a lot of pokemon that are durable and have great offensive stats such as Scizor, Kingdra, Dragonite (Though kinda hindered because of Stealth Rocks being everywhere), Machamp and all the Rotom forms. I would really like to suggest one of the Rotom forms as not only are they bulky with great defensive and good special attack, but they are spin blockers. Since you're lacking fire type moves in you team I would suggest Rotom-H with the following moveset:

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Timid
EVs: 128 HP / 168 SpA / 212 Spe
~ Thunderbolt / Discharge
~ Shadow Ball
~ Overheat
~ Will-O-Wisp

This set allows you to outspeed at neutral speed base 90 pokemon (cough Lucario). Choose Thunderbolt is you want damage and Discharge if you want status. However I would go for the first as Will-O-Wisp is a status so having two status is kinda contradictory.

A couple of nit picks. Move all Sp.A evs on Blissey to HP. Blissey special attack is nothing to die for. Just replace either Thunderbolt or Flamethrower for Seismic Toss and you'll have a better Blissey all round.

I hope this teams works out for the best.

Note: Explain to me why you want Tyranitar as a special wall. You practically got the best special wall in the OU metagame. Would would you want another?

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

Dude, I'm pretty sure Heal Bell/Aromatherapy and Wish are illegal on the same set since Heal Bell is an egg move and Wish is and event. Since half your team doesn't care about status and you have Rapid Spin I suggest running Protect over Heal Bell.

Edit: I Just realized you have no ghost type to block Rapid Spin, so I agree with swapping for Rotom.