Ubers Kyurem-Black (QC 2/2) (GP 2/2)

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[OVERVIEW]

Kyurem-B is a niche Dragon Dance sweeper. It differentiates itself from other Dragon Dance sweepers like Zygarde-C and Zekrom through its Ice typing, which allows it to hit Ground-types such as Groudon and Zygarde-C super effectively. Neutrality to Ice Beam and access to Fusion Bolt also give it a better matchup against Kyogre than Dragon Dance Zygarde. However, Kyurem-B struggles to break through defensive Necrozma-DM, a very common threat. A Stealth Rock weakness and bad defensive typing negate any defensive utility Kyurem-B can bring, and it struggles to set up against faster foes like Eternatus and Xerneas that are able to outspeed and OHKO it. Even against passive and weaker Pokemon like Tangrowth and defensive Yveltal, Kyurem-B must be wary of status and utility moves, such as Sleep Powder and Foul Play.

[SET]
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Icicle Spear
move 3: Roost / Substitute
move 4: Fusion Bolt
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Teravolt
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

After a Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear can almost always OHKO foes like Eternatus and Yveltal. In addition, Icicle Spear hits through Dragon Dance Zygarde-C's Substitute, allowing Kyurem-B to soft check it. Fusion Bolt is mandatory coverage, as it OHKOes Kyogre and is Kyurem-B's best move against Necrozma-DM. Roost lets Kyurem-B heal from chip damage and allows it to set up against defensive Groudon lacking Thunder Wave. Alternatively, Substitute lets Kyurem-B set up against passive Pokemon such as Tangrowth. It should be used alongside Leftovers so Kyurem-B can use Substitute several times in a game. Life Orb maximizes Kyurem-B's damage, allowing it to OHKO defensive Kyogre and OHKO Calyrex-S with only three hits from Icicle Spear. A Jolly nature is necessary to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Calyrex-S after a Dragon Dance.

Kyurem-B is mostly relegated to hyper offense teams that are looking for a Dragon Dance sweeper with utility against Ground-types. Grimmsnarl can set dual screens with Prankster, allowing Kyurem-B and its teammates to set up more easily; similarly, a Stealth Rock setter like Excadrill or Mew can help to weaken the opposition for the team. Xerneas can form a good core with Kyurem-B, each weakening defensive Necrozma-DM for the other. Other offensive Pokemon like Marshadow, Meteor Beam Eternatus, and Calyrex-S can weaken the opposition for Kyurem-B.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Heavy-Duty Boots can be run to avoid entry hazards, notably Stealth Rock. However, as Kyurem-B is mainly run on hyper offense teams, which don't have much switching involved, other items are preferred.

Checks and Counters
====

**Necrozma-DM**: Kyurem-B has a hard time dealing with defensive Necrozma-DM. It is bulky enough to take even +1 Fusion Bolt, can heal itself with Moonlight, and can threaten Kyurem-B with Sunsteel Strike. Furthermore, Necrozma-DM is one of the premier Stealth Rock setters in the metagame and can set up Stealth Rock without much trouble against Kyurem-B, preventing it from finding other opportunities to set up. However, offensive sets are less bulky and can be weakened heavily due to their lack of recovery.

**Physically Defensive Walls**: Buzzwole and defensive Xerneas aren't resistant to Ice but are bulky enough to tank a boosted Icicle Spear and hit back with Drain Punch and Moonblast, respectively. Lunala is faster than unboosted Kyurem-B and can cripple it with Will-O-Wisp, though it must be wary of a boosted Kyurem-B.

**Offensive Pressure**: Kyurem-B is slow without a boost. As such, moves like Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon and Marshadow's Close Combat can keep Kyurem-B in check by applying too much offensive pressure for it to be able to set up. Similarly, Stealth Rock can turn 3HKOs into 2HKOs and 2HKOs into OHKOs, like with defensive Ho-Oh's Brave Bird and Choice Specs Kyogre's Origin Pulse, respectively.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf users such as Calyrex-S, Xerneas, and Ditto can revenge kill Kyurem-B even after a Dragon Dance boost. Priority moves like Marshadow's Shadow Sneak and Urshifu-S's Sucker Punch can also revenge kill Kyurem-B if it is sufficiently weakened.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[LBDC, 464398]]
- Quality checked by: [[Fc, 511624], [Minority, 222996]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Estronic, 240732], [Muk, 33374]]
 
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[OVERVIEW]

- Kyurem-B is a niche Dragon Dance sweeper. It differentiates itself from other Dragon Dance sweeper like Zygarde-C and Zekrom by its Ice typing, allowing it to hit Ground-types such as Groudon and Zygarde-C.
- Neutrality to Ice Beam and an access to Fusion Bolt give it a better Kyogre matchup than Dragon Dance Zygarde.
- However, it struggle to break through defensive Necrozma-DM, a very common threat.
- A Stealth Rock weakness and a bad defensive typing negate any defensive utility Kyurem-B could have bring, letting it struggle to setup against fater foes like Zacian-H, Eternatus, and Xerneas, that are able to outspeed and OHKO it.
- Even against passive or weaker Pokemon like Tangrowth and defensive Yveltal, Kyurem-B must be wary of status or utility moves.

[SET]
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Icicle Spear
move 3: Roost / Substitute
move 4: Fusion Bolt
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Teravolt
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

- After a Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear OHKO foes like Eternatus and Yveltal. (since it's a multi hit there's a chance it doesn't OHKO, maybe change the wording a bit)
- In addition, Icicle Spear has the additional merit to going thought Zygarde-C Dragon Dance's Substitute, allowing Kyurem-B to soft check it.
- Fusion Bolt is mandatory coverage, as it OHKO Kyogre and it's Kyurem-B's best move against Necrozma-DM.
- Roost lets Kyurem-B heal from chip damage and allows it to setup against defensive Groudon lacking Thunder Wave.
- Otherwise, Substitute, by blocking status moves and weaker moves, allows Kyurem-B to try to setup against passive Pokemon such as Tangrowth.
- It should be used alongside Leftovers, so Kyurem-B can setup a substitute multiple times in a game.
- Discuss Life Orb too since it's the main item slash, if there's anything notably that it lets Kyurem beat or if it's just for a lot more damage
- Jolly is necessary to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Calyrex-S after a Dragon Dance.

- Kyurem-B is mostly relegated to hyper offense teams that are looking for Dragon Dance sweeper with a utility against Zygarde-C Ground-types.
- Grimmsnarl can setup screens with Prankster, allowing Kyurem-B and its teammates to setup way easier; similarly, Stealth Rock setter like Excadrill and Mew can help to weaken the opposition for the team.
- Xerneas can form a good core with Kyurem-B, both overwhelming defensive Necrozma-DM for the other. (mention sd babiri zacian doing the same thing)
- Other offensive Pokemon like Marshadow, Meteor Beam Eternatus, and Calyrex-S can weaken the opposition for Kyurem-B.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Kyurem-B doesn't have really otherviable options. Mention Heavy-Duty Boots here, it removes the Stealth Rock weakness you highlighted as big but with it only fitting on HO teams usually you can mention how those teams don't need it switching in often.

Checks and Counters
====

**Necrozma-DM**: Kyurem-B has a hard time dealing with defensive Necrozma-DM. It is bulky enough to take on even +1 Fusion Bolt, can heal itself with Moonlight, and can threaten back with Sunsteel Strike or Rocky Helmet damage. Furthermore, Necrozma-DM is one of premier Stealth Rock setter of the tier, and can set them without much troube against Kyurem-B, preventing it from finding other opportunity to setup. However, offensive sets are less bulky and can be weakened enough, due to their lack to recovery.

**Offensive Pressure**: Kyurem-B is slow and vulnerable to faster foes. As such, moves like Zacian-H's Play Rough, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Marshadow's Close Combat can all keep Kyurem-B in check by applying too much offensive pressure to allow it to setup. Similarly, Stealth Rock transform 3HKO intro 2HKO, or 2HKO into OHKO, like with defensive Ho-Oh's Brave Bird and Choice Specs Kyogre's Origin Pulse.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf users such as Choice Scarf Calyrex-S, Xerneas, and Ditto can revenge kill Kyurem-B even after a Dragon Dance boost, as they're faster. Priority moves like Marshadow's Shadow Sneak and Urshifu-S' Sucker Punch can also revenge kill Kyurem-B, if it is sufficiently weakened.

**Physically Defensive Walls**: Buzzwole and Xerneas in particular should be mentioned as mons that can wall it, and Lunala can threaten wisp while outspeeding unboosted

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[LBDC, 464398]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

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I would place "Physically Defensive Walls" after Necrozma-DM but before Offensive Pressure in the Checks and Counters section.

Roost lets Kyurem-B heal from chip damage and allows it to setup against defensive Groudon
You also forgot to implement Fc's check that says to specify "defensive Groudon lacking Thunder Wave".

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[OVERVIEW]

Kyurem-B is a niche Dragon Dance sweeper. It differentiates itself from other Dragon Dance sweeper like Zygarde-C and Zekrom by through its Ice typing, allowing it to hit Ground-types such as Groudon and Zygarde-C. Neutrality to Ice Beam and an access to Fusion Bolt also give it a better Kyogre matchup against Kyogre than Dragon Dance Zygarde. However, it Kyurem-B struggles to break through defensive Necrozma-DM, a very common threat. A Stealth Rock weakness and a bad defensive typing negate any defensive utility Kyurem-B could have can bring, letting it struggle to setup set up against fater (idk if this a misspelling of fatter or faster, if it's supposed to be fatter change it to bulkier but if it's faster obviously just correct the typo) foes like Eternatus and Xerneas, (RC) that are able to outspeed and OHKO it. Even against passive or and weaker Pokemon like Tangrowth and defensive Yveltal, Kyurem-B must be wary of status or and utility moves (would suggest listing some examples of such utility moves).

[SET]
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Icicle Spear
move 3: Roost / Substitute
move 4: Fusion Bolt
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Teravolt
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

After a Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear can almost always OHKO foes like Eternatus and Yveltal. In addition, Icicle Spear has the additional merit to going thought Zygarde-C Dragon Dance's Dragon Dance Zygarde-C's Substitute, allowing Kyurem-B to soft check it. Fusion Bolt is mandatory coverage, as it OHKOes Kyogre and it's is Kyurem-B's best move against Necrozma-DM. Roost lets Kyurem-B heal from chip damage and allows it to setup set up against defensive Groudon lacking Thunder Wave. Otherwise, Substitute, by blocking status moves and weaker moves, allows Kyurem-B to try to setup set up against passive Pokemon such as Tangrowth. It should be used alongside Leftovers, (RC) so Kyurem-B can setup a substitute use Substitute multiple times in a game. Life Orb maximizes Kyurem-B's damage, allowing it to OHKO defensive Kyogre, (RC) and to OHKO Calyrex-S with only three hits from Icicle Spear. A Jolly nature is necessary to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Calyrex-S after a Dragon Dance.

Kyurem-B is mostly relegated to hyper offense teams that are looking for a Dragon Dance sweeper with a utility against Ground-types. Grimmsnarl can setup set dual screens with Prankster, allowing Kyurem-B and its teammates to setup way easier set up more easily; similarly, a Stealth Rock setter like Excadrill and or Mew can help to weaken the opposition for the team. Xerneas can form a good core with Kyurem-B, both overwhelming defensive Necrozma-DM for the other. Other offensive Pokemon like Marshadow, Meteor Beam Eternatus, and Calyrex-S can weaken the opposition for Kyurem-B.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Heavy-Duty Boots can be run to avoid entry hazards effects, notably Stealth Rock. However, as Kyurem-B is mainly in run on hyper offense teams, and that these don't need to switch often which don't have much switching involved, other items are preferred.

Checks and Counters
====

**Necrozma-DM**: Kyurem-B has a hard time dealing with defensive Necrozma-DM. It is bulky enough to take on even +1 Fusion Bolt, can heal itself with Moonlight, and can threaten back with Sunsteel Strike or Rocky Helmet damage. Furthermore, Necrozma-DM is one of premier Stealth Rock setters of the tier, (RC) in the metagame and can set them without much trouble against Kyurem-B, preventing it from finding other opportunity to setup set up. However, offensive sets are less bulky and can be weakened enough, (RC) due to their lack to recovery.

**Physically Defensive Walls**: Buzzwole and defensive Xerneas don't resists Ice-moves aren't resistant to Ice but are bulky enough to tank a boosted Icicle Spear and hit back with Drain Punch and Moonblast, (AC) respectively. Lunala is faster than unboosted Kyurem-B and can cripple it with Will-O-Wisp, though it must be wary of a boosted Kyurem-B.

**Offensive Pressure**: Kyurem-B is slow and vulnerable to faster foes. As such, moves like Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, (RC) and Marshadow's Close Combat can all keep Kyurem-B in check by applying too much offensive pressure to allow it to setup for it to set up. Similarly, Stealth Rock transform 3HKO intro 2HKO, or 2HKO into OHKO can turn 3HKOs into 2HKOs and 2HKOs into OHKOs, like with defensive Ho-Oh's Brave Bird and Choice Specs Kyogre's Origin Pulse (specify what turns into what with these moves).

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf users such as Choice Scarf Calyrex-S, Xerneas, and Ditto can revenge kill Kyurem-B even after a Dragon Dance boost, (RC) as they're faster. Priority moves like Marshadow's Shadow Sneak and Urshifu-S's Sucker Punch can also revenge kill Kyurem-B, (RC) if it is sufficiently weakened.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[LBDC, 464398]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]] (do this)
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
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Slight nitpick
**Necrozma-DM**: Kyurem-B has a hard time dealing with defensive Necrozma-DM. It is bulky enough to take even +1 Fusion Bolt, can heal itself with Moonlight, and can threaten back with Sunsteel Strike or Rocky Helmet damage

Fusion Bolt is not a contact move, and thus Kyurem-B has nothing to worry about with Rocky Helmet.
 
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[OVERVIEW]

Kyurem-B is a niche Dragon Dance sweeper. It differentiates itself from other Dragon Dance sweepers like Zygarde-C and Zekrom through its Ice typing, which allowings it to hit Ground-types such as Groudon and Zygarde-C super effectively. Neutrality to Ice Beam and access to Fusion Bolt also give it a better matchup against Kyogre than Dragon Dance Zygarde. However, Kyurem-B struggles to break through defensive Necrozma-DM, a very common threat. A Stealth Rock weakness and bad defensive typing negate any defensive utility Kyurem-B can bring, lettingand it struggles to set up against faster foes like Eternatus and Xerneas that are able to outspeed and OHKO it. Even against passive and weaker Pokemon like Tangrowth and defensive Yveltal, Kyurem-B must be wary of status and utility moves, such as Sleep Powder and Foul Play.

[SET]
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Icicle Spear
move 3: Roost / Substitute
move 4: Fusion Bolt
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Teravolt
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

After a Dragon Dance, Icicle Spear can almost always OHKO foes like Eternatus and Yveltal. In addition, Icicle Spear has the additional merit to going thoughthits through Dragon Dance Zygarde-C's Substitute, allowing Kyurem-B to soft check it. Fusion Bolt is mandatory coverage, as it OHKOes Kyogre and is Kyurem-B's best move against Necrozma-DM. Roost lets Kyurem-B heal from chip damage and allows it to set up against defensive Groudon lacking Thunder Wave. OtherwiseAlternatively, Substitute, by blocking status moves and weaker moves, allow lets Kyurem-B to try to set up against passive Pokemon such as Tangrowth. It should be used alongside Leftovers so Kyurem-B can use Substitute multipleseveral times in a game. Life Orb maximizes Kyurem-B's damage, allowing it to OHKO defensive Kyogre and OHKO Calyrex-S with only three hits from Icicle Spear. A Jolly nature is necessary to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Calyrex-S after a Dragon Dance.

Kyurem-B is mostly relegated to hyper offense teams that are looking for a Dragon Dance sweeper with utility against Ground-types. Grimmsnarl can set dual screens with Prankster, allowing Kyurem-B and its teammates to set up more easily; similarly, a Stealth Rock setter like Excadrill or Mew can help to weaken the opposition for the team. Xerneas can form a good core with Kyurem-B, both overwhelmeach weakening defensive Necrozma-DM for the other. Other offensive Pokemon like Marshadow, Meteor Beam Eternatus, and Calyrex-S can weaken the opposition for Kyurem-B.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Heavy-Duty Boots can be run to avoid entry hazards, notably Stealth Rock. However, as Kyurem-B is mainly run on hyper offense teams, which don't have much switching involved, other items are preferred.

Checks and Counters
====

**Necrozma-DM**: Kyurem-B has a hard time dealing with defensive Necrozma-DM. It is bulky enough to take even +1 Fusion Bolt, can heal itself with Moonlight, and can threaten backKyurem-B with Sunsteel Strike. Furthermore, Necrozma-DM is one of the premier Stealth Rock setters in the metagame and can set up Stealthem Rock without much trouble against Kyurem-B, preventing it from finding other opportunityies to set up. However, offensive sets are less bulky and can be weakened enougheavily due to their lack tof recovery.

**Physically Defensive Walls**: Buzzwole and defensive Xerneas aren't resistant to Ice but are bulky enough to tank a boosted Icicle Spear and hit back with Drain Punch and Moonblast, respectively. Lunala is faster than unboosted Kyurem-B and can cripple it with Will-O-Wisp, though it must be wary of a boosted Kyurem-B.

**Offensive Pressure**: Kyurem-B is slow and vulnerable to faster foeswithout a boost. As such, moves like Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon and Marshadow's Close Combat can all keep Kyurem-B in check by applying too much offensive pressure for it to be able to set up. Similarly, Stealth Rock can turn 3HKOs into 2HKOs and 2HKOs into OHKOs, like with defensive Ho-Oh's Brave Bird and Choice Specs Kyogre's Origin Pulse, respectively.

**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf users such as Calyrex-S, Xerneas, and Ditto can revenge kill Kyurem-B even after a Dragon Dance boost. Priority moves like Marshadow's Shadow Sneak and Urshifu-S's Sucker Punch can also revenge kill Kyurem-B if it is sufficiently weakened.
 
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