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Giratina @ Leftovers
- Pressure
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Shadow Ball
~ Calm Mind
~ Roar
EVs are being toiled away upon. I need a bit of defense here because this will be what I use to absorb Heracross. I'm wondering if Arceus would work better here. Roar because I didn't see a real compelling reason to add Dragon Pulse. Will-O-Wisp because it's cool and for no reason of any strategic value. I don't like Lugia right now because of Stealth Rock weak and neutral to Megahorn, which collectively creates a crappy Heracross counter but the thought has occurred to me that Giratina doesn't scare Hera too badly either. So I'm leaning a bit heavily towards Ghost Arceus with a mix like Recover, Judgement Pebble, Will-O-Wisp, Calm Mind or something.
Metagross @ Choice Band
- Clear Body
~ Pursuit
~ Explosion
~ Meteor Mash
~ Earthquake
Adamant; 252 Atk / 120 HP / 136 Def
Hits things and, hopefully, beats the Lati@s duo. Unless they do something weird like Hidden Power Fire. Earthquake for other Metagross.
Latias @ Soul Dew
- Levitate
~ Thunder
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Calm Mind
~ Recover
EVs to be decided on this one, I need enough special defense to beat Kyogre 1-on-1, basically. Kyogre counter and it also helps alleviate versus Groudon and it even sweeps and can take a hit from Palkia and OHKO back with Dragon Pulse. Is there anything Latias can't do? Unfortunately, yes, there is. It can't 2HKO Lugia.
Kyogre @ Leftovers
- Drizzle
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
Bold; 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
I'm not really interested in AGKyogre right now... since I kind of feel that Palkia basically is AGKyogre only with a lot more move diversity and the same fire power only with a guaranteed 2HKO on Blissey thanks to Waterfall + Pearl Orb and a touch more speed. Besides which, I need this bulky so shenanigans involving weather tricks and drought don't impede Palkia's rampage.
Palkia @ Pearl Orb
- Pressure
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Surf
~ Meteoric Swarm
~ Aqua Tail
Hasty; 252 SAtk / 224 Spd / 32 Atk
If you can find something that can safely switch into this under a Stealth Rock and not explode either on the turn of the switch or the turn after and I'll give you a cookie. Pretty much the team's centerpiece, thesis, whatever you decide to name it. During Drizzle it 2HKOs Lugia with Surf (assuming Lugia has max sdef and max hp with a boosting nature although it's only an ohko with two consecutive average hits). 320 speed outruns Modest Latios and Modest here doesn't guarantee me much other than a guaranteed 2HKO on Lugia. But, seeing how there aren't any rapid spinners that I can't setup on, I plan to have Stealth Rock for a while.
Also, something I forgot to add, Dragon Pulse with Pearl Orb makes Ice Beam redundant. Let me repeat that. Don't suggest Ice Beam. I'm lazy so I'm just going to pull a Jumpman and throw numbers at you to make Ice Beam go away:
Dragon Pulse = 90 * 1.5 (stab) * 1.25 (orb)
Dragon Pulse = 168.25
Ice Beam = 95 * 2 (se)
Ice Beam = 190
Seeing how I'd be using Dragon Pulse for other dragons primarily I don't see the need for Ice Beam; when I hit the stuff I'm trying to hit with Dragon Pulse I get 337.5 base power to play with, which is miles above Ice Beams and the only exception to this is when it's Rayquaza, who dies anyways. Thus Dragon Pulse is better. Also I realize that Space Break has a CH rate but, honestly, I cannot think of a scenario where I would like 10 more power for lessened accuracy and - more relevantly - less PP. So much more has Pressure it's ridiculous so by sacrificing my 10 power, which I should remind you doesn't affect my ability to 2HKO or OHKO everything during drizzle, I effectively lose about 2-3 attacks with my non-hit/run dragon move. Thus, for this particular Palkia, I don't see the point.
Waterfall because I 2HKO max defense, max hp Blissey with it during Drizzle. Also, provided I hit it on the switch with Surf or Meteoric Swarm, I can follow up and kill it with Waterfall on the following turn. So that limits Blissey's safe switch-ins to Dragon Pulse, really. Meteoric Swarm is filler btw. It OHKOs a bunch of stuff and hits like 54% min on max sdef/max hp Kyogre so I stuck it in arbitrarily but I'm kind of reconsidering it... although I haven't seen a better option present itself. Why can't Palkia learn Calm Mind? :(
Blissey @ Leftovers
- Natural Cure
~ Light Screen
~ Stealth Rock
~ Wish
~ Seismic Toss
EVs I don't know on this one since I don't have a clue whether Blissey will be forced to toss a shitload of special defense to wall threats. But more or less it's Blissey. Because there's no sponge like Blissey. It sets up the Stealth Rock that lets Palkia kill everything. Light Screen because I realized Latios could come in and surprise buttsecks everything here so I decided ppassing Light Screen to Meta was my best chance. Wish because I have CBgross, Giratina, Palkia and figured that with all that wish support was probably a good idea.
Threat list:
Groudon: Latias, Kyogre - and on that note, asides from Blissey it's going to have a bitch of a time getting in, especially CB versions.
Latios: Metagross - don't have a great answer for this one, I know.
Latias: Metagross - slightly better answer if only because Latias isn't as good as hitting things.
Lugia: No real answer for this one at the moment. Metagross kind of. But Reflect versions kind of lol at that. Kyogre can stall with it, maybe.
Rayquaza: Kyogre, Latias, Blissey - Kyogre beats the physical versions, Latias and Blissey work together to beat special ones. Metagross sponges random CB Outrages and MMs back for the kill.
Palkia: Nothing truly counters Palkia but Latias can scare it off unless it gets caught in the Meteoric Swarm (in which case Latias is more or less, well, dead).
Dialga: Kyogre, Blissey - Blissey beats special versions whereas Kyogre stops any physical shenanigans with Bulk Up. Metagross too if Dialga lacks Earthquake. Wally, spongy versions meant to take hits are kind of lol because of no dragon resist and the eq weak.
Deoxys-F: No real answer. Metagross after it's killed something unless there's Fire Punch shenanigans. Fire Punch produces complications.
Deoxys-L: No real answer, just that it doesn't do much back to Metagross and my team doesn't really have a Stealth Rock weak.
Ho-oh: The combination of Latias, Stealth Rock and bulky Kyogre should assure Ho-oh's annoyance is small.
Metagross: Kyogre - I'm bulky.
Manaphy: Latias - explains itself. Palkia can come in too on the 4x resistant Surf and start breaking shit.
Celebi: Latias - see Manaphy. Exchange Palkia for Metagross in the second part.
Mew: No real answer because I'd have to know what Mew's set is. I'm guessing Kyogre can absorb sleep from stuff with Hypnosis and Metagross can probably threaten him; Latias and Giratina can probably keep him out of my hair too by just scaring him out but I'm not sure how reliable that is nor for what sets that applies so yeah.
Mewtwo: No real answer. Kyogre beats physical versions, Latias can go toe-to-toe with non-Taunt specials and the Taunt versions are beaten by Metagross. Adherence Glasses can be beaten by Blissey unless I get Focus Bombed. But really there isn't a counter for every Mewtwo version in one pokemon unless someone cracks the game completely.
Arceus: I would have to know its set. I have a suspicion that if there's something I've overlooked it's some version of this thing that everyone else is salivating over that I haven't thought of. I'd hope that the fat Kyogre beats or at least forces out physical versions and Latias takes out specials but there's probably something I've missed.
Tyranitar: Metagross and Kyogre.
Heracross: Arceus if he's added, if not Giratina right now.
Darkrai: Blissey + Metagross effectively beats him and I have Kyogre to absorb sleep.
From that list I've come to the conclusion that Lugia and Deoxys-L give me annoyances and I'm way to dependant on Kyogre for taking physical hits, absorbing status and pretty much everything. So I need solutions. I'm also probably going to change Giratina for Ghost Arceus very shortly once I finish running around with numbers. Anyways. The only thing I ask is that you please refrain from altering the core strategy, which isn't actually much of a strategy but just getting a Stealth Rock tossed up during Drizzle so Palkia can surprise buttsecks everything to death with his moves.
Giratina @ Leftovers
- Pressure
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Shadow Ball
~ Calm Mind
~ Roar
EVs are being toiled away upon. I need a bit of defense here because this will be what I use to absorb Heracross. I'm wondering if Arceus would work better here. Roar because I didn't see a real compelling reason to add Dragon Pulse. Will-O-Wisp because it's cool and for no reason of any strategic value. I don't like Lugia right now because of Stealth Rock weak and neutral to Megahorn, which collectively creates a crappy Heracross counter but the thought has occurred to me that Giratina doesn't scare Hera too badly either. So I'm leaning a bit heavily towards Ghost Arceus with a mix like Recover, Judgement Pebble, Will-O-Wisp, Calm Mind or something.
Metagross @ Choice Band
- Clear Body
~ Pursuit
~ Explosion
~ Meteor Mash
~ Earthquake
Adamant; 252 Atk / 120 HP / 136 Def
Hits things and, hopefully, beats the Lati@s duo. Unless they do something weird like Hidden Power Fire. Earthquake for other Metagross.
Latias @ Soul Dew
- Levitate
~ Thunder
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Calm Mind
~ Recover
EVs to be decided on this one, I need enough special defense to beat Kyogre 1-on-1, basically. Kyogre counter and it also helps alleviate versus Groudon and it even sweeps and can take a hit from Palkia and OHKO back with Dragon Pulse. Is there anything Latias can't do? Unfortunately, yes, there is. It can't 2HKO Lugia.
Kyogre @ Leftovers
- Drizzle
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
Bold; 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
I'm not really interested in AGKyogre right now... since I kind of feel that Palkia basically is AGKyogre only with a lot more move diversity and the same fire power only with a guaranteed 2HKO on Blissey thanks to Waterfall + Pearl Orb and a touch more speed. Besides which, I need this bulky so shenanigans involving weather tricks and drought don't impede Palkia's rampage.
Palkia @ Pearl Orb
- Pressure
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Surf
~ Meteoric Swarm
~ Aqua Tail
Hasty; 252 SAtk / 224 Spd / 32 Atk
If you can find something that can safely switch into this under a Stealth Rock and not explode either on the turn of the switch or the turn after and I'll give you a cookie. Pretty much the team's centerpiece, thesis, whatever you decide to name it. During Drizzle it 2HKOs Lugia with Surf (assuming Lugia has max sdef and max hp with a boosting nature although it's only an ohko with two consecutive average hits). 320 speed outruns Modest Latios and Modest here doesn't guarantee me much other than a guaranteed 2HKO on Lugia. But, seeing how there aren't any rapid spinners that I can't setup on, I plan to have Stealth Rock for a while.
Also, something I forgot to add, Dragon Pulse with Pearl Orb makes Ice Beam redundant. Let me repeat that. Don't suggest Ice Beam. I'm lazy so I'm just going to pull a Jumpman and throw numbers at you to make Ice Beam go away:
Dragon Pulse = 90 * 1.5 (stab) * 1.25 (orb)
Dragon Pulse = 168.25
Ice Beam = 95 * 2 (se)
Ice Beam = 190
Seeing how I'd be using Dragon Pulse for other dragons primarily I don't see the need for Ice Beam; when I hit the stuff I'm trying to hit with Dragon Pulse I get 337.5 base power to play with, which is miles above Ice Beams and the only exception to this is when it's Rayquaza, who dies anyways. Thus Dragon Pulse is better. Also I realize that Space Break has a CH rate but, honestly, I cannot think of a scenario where I would like 10 more power for lessened accuracy and - more relevantly - less PP. So much more has Pressure it's ridiculous so by sacrificing my 10 power, which I should remind you doesn't affect my ability to 2HKO or OHKO everything during drizzle, I effectively lose about 2-3 attacks with my non-hit/run dragon move. Thus, for this particular Palkia, I don't see the point.
Waterfall because I 2HKO max defense, max hp Blissey with it during Drizzle. Also, provided I hit it on the switch with Surf or Meteoric Swarm, I can follow up and kill it with Waterfall on the following turn. So that limits Blissey's safe switch-ins to Dragon Pulse, really. Meteoric Swarm is filler btw. It OHKOs a bunch of stuff and hits like 54% min on max sdef/max hp Kyogre so I stuck it in arbitrarily but I'm kind of reconsidering it... although I haven't seen a better option present itself. Why can't Palkia learn Calm Mind? :(
Blissey @ Leftovers
- Natural Cure
~ Light Screen
~ Stealth Rock
~ Wish
~ Seismic Toss
EVs I don't know on this one since I don't have a clue whether Blissey will be forced to toss a shitload of special defense to wall threats. But more or less it's Blissey. Because there's no sponge like Blissey. It sets up the Stealth Rock that lets Palkia kill everything. Light Screen because I realized Latios could come in and surprise buttsecks everything here so I decided ppassing Light Screen to Meta was my best chance. Wish because I have CBgross, Giratina, Palkia and figured that with all that wish support was probably a good idea.
Threat list:
Groudon: Latias, Kyogre - and on that note, asides from Blissey it's going to have a bitch of a time getting in, especially CB versions.
Latios: Metagross - don't have a great answer for this one, I know.
Latias: Metagross - slightly better answer if only because Latias isn't as good as hitting things.
Lugia: No real answer for this one at the moment. Metagross kind of. But Reflect versions kind of lol at that. Kyogre can stall with it, maybe.
Rayquaza: Kyogre, Latias, Blissey - Kyogre beats the physical versions, Latias and Blissey work together to beat special ones. Metagross sponges random CB Outrages and MMs back for the kill.
Palkia: Nothing truly counters Palkia but Latias can scare it off unless it gets caught in the Meteoric Swarm (in which case Latias is more or less, well, dead).
Dialga: Kyogre, Blissey - Blissey beats special versions whereas Kyogre stops any physical shenanigans with Bulk Up. Metagross too if Dialga lacks Earthquake. Wally, spongy versions meant to take hits are kind of lol because of no dragon resist and the eq weak.
Deoxys-F: No real answer. Metagross after it's killed something unless there's Fire Punch shenanigans. Fire Punch produces complications.
Deoxys-L: No real answer, just that it doesn't do much back to Metagross and my team doesn't really have a Stealth Rock weak.
Ho-oh: The combination of Latias, Stealth Rock and bulky Kyogre should assure Ho-oh's annoyance is small.
Metagross: Kyogre - I'm bulky.
Manaphy: Latias - explains itself. Palkia can come in too on the 4x resistant Surf and start breaking shit.
Celebi: Latias - see Manaphy. Exchange Palkia for Metagross in the second part.
Mew: No real answer because I'd have to know what Mew's set is. I'm guessing Kyogre can absorb sleep from stuff with Hypnosis and Metagross can probably threaten him; Latias and Giratina can probably keep him out of my hair too by just scaring him out but I'm not sure how reliable that is nor for what sets that applies so yeah.
Mewtwo: No real answer. Kyogre beats physical versions, Latias can go toe-to-toe with non-Taunt specials and the Taunt versions are beaten by Metagross. Adherence Glasses can be beaten by Blissey unless I get Focus Bombed. But really there isn't a counter for every Mewtwo version in one pokemon unless someone cracks the game completely.
Arceus: I would have to know its set. I have a suspicion that if there's something I've overlooked it's some version of this thing that everyone else is salivating over that I haven't thought of. I'd hope that the fat Kyogre beats or at least forces out physical versions and Latias takes out specials but there's probably something I've missed.
Tyranitar: Metagross and Kyogre.
Heracross: Arceus if he's added, if not Giratina right now.
Darkrai: Blissey + Metagross effectively beats him and I have Kyogre to absorb sleep.
From that list I've come to the conclusion that Lugia and Deoxys-L give me annoyances and I'm way to dependant on Kyogre for taking physical hits, absorbing status and pretty much everything. So I need solutions. I'm also probably going to change Giratina for Ghost Arceus very shortly once I finish running around with numbers. Anyways. The only thing I ask is that you please refrain from altering the core strategy, which isn't actually much of a strategy but just getting a Stealth Rock tossed up during Drizzle so Palkia can surprise buttsecks everything to death with his moves.
