Latias (QC 3/3) [GP 2/2]

Set up to +2 (or more), screens, intimidate, and anti weather all help. Like I said don't be dense (meaning have a good team, don't leave latias to die when you can switch etc). Set up when given the opportunity to do so. I wouldn't be recommending this if I didn't think that it worked lol...

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-48141699
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-49872234
vs IHH- tbh I didn't see anywhere where the offensive boosts paid off immensely. Not to mention he has nothing that can hurt Dragon-types; 252+ SpA Cresselia can't even 3HKO a 0/0 Latias with Ice Beam, and the spread he ran was likely not 252+. A standard Latios set or the Latias set posted above could have accomplished the same thing without too much difficulty.

vs rockerdawb- I again see a team that is not well put together (lacks synergy, I basically see a standard Rain team with Mean's Mamo+Nadus core thrown in for some random reason). Rotom-W completely walls that team. Not to mention the team is using moves like Acid Armor and Lunar Dance.... If you have any points that those replays make, I'd like to hear them.
 
vs IHH- tbh I didn't see anywhere where the offensive boosts paid off immensely. Not to mention he has nothing that can hurt Dragon-types; 252+ SpA Cresselia can't even 3HKO a 0/0 Latias with Ice Beam, and the spread he ran was likely not 252+. A standard Latios set or the Latias set posted above could have accomplished the same thing without too much difficulty.

vs rockerdawb- I again see a team that is not well put together (lacks synergy, I basically see a standard Rain team with Mean's Mamo+Nadus core thrown in for some random reason). Rotom-W completely walls that team. Not to mention the team is using moves like Acid Armor and Lunar Dance.... If you have any points that those replays make, I'd like to hear them.
My point in showing these battle video's was to demonstrate that latias can take sun boosted heat waves (ergo rain boosted surfs) and nonstab ice beams and keep the sub up. Doesn't this suffice as enough evidence? The skill level of my opponent is irrelevant. Latias was able to deal with the shit I wanted it to. On the hail team, it helped take care of sun teams, and on the sand team it helped with rain teams. I have one or two battle videos against good opponents too, but for the most part I'm using different teams. Also, I don't want to post a battle video in which I'm battling someone on here, because I don't want my first couple of posts to be a source of bad vibes lel.

Here's a new battle where sub cm latias pulls through with the W if that's what you're looking for:
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-smogondoubles-50111585
 
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Do you want to know why?

Because you just said this: "The skill level of my opponent is irrelevant."
Give up on this one dude :|
 
Do you want to know why?

Because you just said this: "The skill level of my opponent is irrelevant."
Give up on this one dude :|
You blind kiddo? I wrote an entire fucking paragraph explaining why I selected those battle videos. Also, it's not exactly easy trying to find opponents that don't suck on ps...

If you want a battle against someone who's decent, here's one. It's even against a smogonite too:

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-49879599

This is such a joke - at this point I really don't care whether you put the sub cm latias set in or not.
 

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You blind kiddo? I wrote an entire fucking paragraph explaining why I selected those battle videos. Also, it's not exactly easy trying to find opponents that don't suck on ps...
Yeah, if it's hard to find good players on PS, then why tf don't you go on #doubles and prove your worth there. The PS ladder is still extremely inexperienced in this metagame on average; therefore you cannot judge the effectiveness of a set through playing extremely stupid players.
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If you want a battle against someone who's decent, here's one. It's even against a smogonite too: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-49879599
LOL BLANK WHAT ARE YOU DOING! But still, if blank had not gone for Detect, then he would have come past your Latais easily. I am saving this replay though, to forever annoy blank <3
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This is such a joke - at this point I really don't care whether you put the sub cm latias set in or not.
Why the hell are you still here then? As far as I can tell, this discussion fills up about a half of your entire smogon posting history.

Alright, I am now going to put extensive arguments forth to prove how bad this set is in general.
· Even with a good typing, Pokemon are not consistent enough to pull off CM sweeps in Doubles (assuming you are playing a good player). Dark / Bug types are everywhere, and many of these are physical; Tyranitar, Bisharp, Heracross, etc. These will all break through Latias with ease.
· Latias has an epic support movepool; the combination of Tailwind and Helping Hand is unique. It is madness to miss out these two moves on a Pokemon with such an awesome typing.
· You put forth arguments about how it counters Rain teams. No, it doesn't.
252+ SpA Life Orb Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 416-494 (114.28 - 135.71%) -- guaranteed OHKO
· You put forth arguments about how it counters Sun teams. No one cares, Sun teams suck anyway.
· The above two are also kind of irrelevant for your specific set, as the Standard set right now does this just as well.
· Steel-types completely fuck up it's day; it is basically dead weight in your team slot, and you "wouldn't want to waste a free sub"; Sure man, let a guy kill your entire team, and then precision-nuke your last Pokemon, which happens to have one attacking move that isn't unrestisted.
· Good players will not usually allow Latias a free turn; definitely not two, which is the time it takes to set up a Substitute and a Calm Mind. It relies on free turns, and if you are giving your opponents free turns, then you should probably rethink your strategy.
· Your grandpa's ballsack probably hits harder than Latias's Dragon Pulse. It's weak.

You might have noticed that a lot of these points put emphasis on how experienced players will have an extremely easy time playing around this set. And then try to ask yourself this question:
Why are we making these analyses?

The answer is simple: to make Doubles more competetive, to prevent gimmicks, to form an idea for newer players about how the Pokemon work on a competitively high level.

At a competitively high level of Doubles, SubCM Latias is basically dead weight for your team, and probably setup fodder for the few viable sweepers, or just creating free space for your opponent. It should therefore not be included in a competitive Doubles analysis. I hope that you see why it's a bad idea now.

Edit: damn, I should probably have used this time to write the frickin Overview or something... successful troll is successful ;_;
 
LOL BLANK WHAT ARE YOU DOING! But still, if blank had not gone for Detect, then he would have come past your Latais easily. I am saving this replay though, to forever annoy blank <3
I liked the part where he didn't bring in Scarf Mamoswine.... again. :>
 

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Laga , this writeup needs to be expanded on alot more before i check it. like, not askin for a research paper or anything but there are plenty of moments where you can really heighten and go in-depth on what you're writing. for example in the overview all you mention about latias is that it has good bulk and speed, as well as tailwind access (you dont really need to mention hh in the oveview since that doesn't differenciate it from cress, who you're saying outclasses it). for example, mentioning its many useful resists (water, electric, grass, fire, etc) and how great levitate is would be a good idea. also, you should really go into clearly differenciating and defining what seperates it from what it has competition with. like, somethin along the lines of how it's very useful as a check to common pokes that cress doesn't check as well (think rotom-w and stuff) and has more of an offensive presence than cress as well, while the added bulk allows it more longevity than latios (if you have any relevant calcs that'd be cool too, but i cant come up w/ any off the top of my head)

also, on the moves, there are lots of one-line descriptions which don't really say all that much. don't be afraid to go into more depth on why a move is a good choice for the set (for example if you're sayin tailwind is so important mention how it makes latias an even better weather check, since your team can handle swift swimmers and such alot better, as opposed to stating just the move's effect). or w/ helping hand, saying how it helps teammates net important kos or allows latias to continue supporting the team even after a SpA drop or using tailwind is a statement that tells the reader alot more than just "prevents Latias from becoming dead weight". same goes for section on partners. like w/ scizor & metagross, mention how they threaten ttar who gives latias a hard time instead of simply goin into type synergy.

in general something to keep in mind is that the reader is ultimately readin the analysis to learn about latias, so trying to make sure your analysis covers relevant info on how to use it in battles, what it goes with, and why one should bother using it should be a huge priority. while unnecessarily long prose is never a good thing, it's equally important to not gloss over important details.
 

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ok Laga, writing has improved. still got a few more things i'd liked changed before i stamp though. main problem is just that the analysis places too much emphasis on tailwind for latias's success. rename the set o support and slash thunder wave w/ tailwind (you can consult w/ other qcers before you do soif you want but i've used thunder wave extensively on latias and can say it works). also, lines like "When it comes to countering Latias, the easiest way to do so is by overwhelming Tailwind with Speed control of your own; Thunder Wave and Trick Room are Tailwind's worst enemies, and therefore also Latias's worst enemies." need to disappear, since Latias isn't completely dependent on Tailwind to the extend you claim in the writeup.

tl;dr dont hype its ability to set tailwind so much. once that's done lemme know and ill stamp it
 

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Finally got to editing this finished. I have avoided over-hyping it's ability to set Tailwind and tried to focus more on synergy in team options and a little bit of guidance with the move's explanations.

sorry for taking so long Audiosurfer :(
 

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Laga, you did a good job writing this analysis overall. You still forgot to slash T-Wave and move the mention of T-Wave into Set Comments, as per Audiosurfer's suggestion. If you oppose this suggestion, you should say something. Otherwise make the appropriate changes.

I wont mention Dragon Gem until I bring up the offensive spread, since a gem boost would be wasted on Latias with uninvested special attack.

Add Genesect and bulky Trick Room setters like Cresselia and Dusclops onto the Checks & Counters.

Thanks for getting this done, Laga.

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[Overview]

<p>At first glance, Latias seems to be outclassed in any role that it wants to play can perform, due to the seemingly omnipresent(are they omnipresent or aren't they) Psychic-types, Cresselia and Latios, in Doubles. Cresselia usually pulls off the supportive a support role better, courtesy of its mind boggling bulk; something Latias can only dream to rival. Latios, on the other hand, often outclasses Latias as an offensive Pokemon, due to it's its higher Special Attack stat. That said, thanks to its good bulk, useful resistances to common attacking types&mdash;Water, Fire, Electric, and Fighting&mdash;and Speed, combined with its access to Tailwind, Latias is one of the best Tailwind setters in the metagame.(separate these into 2 sentences imo; first sentence talk about resistances+bulk and 2nd sentence talk about tailwind)</p>

[SET]
name: Speedy Support
move 1: Tailwind / Thunder Wave
move 2: Draco Meteor
move 3: Helping Hand
move 4: Protect / Psyshock
item: Sitrus Berry / Haban Berry
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With this set, Latias pieces together all of its positive traits together to make the most out of itself as a fast supporter in the Doubles metagame. Tailwind is the main move of the set, and is a fantastic support move, helping your team wreck havoc throughout the 4 four turns that it lasts,(RC) without fear of getting outpaced,(RC) ;(semicolon) but Thunder Wave is a perfectly viable alternative that's permanent, but that permanently affects the opponent's Speed; keep in mind, though, that it can only hit one opponent at a time. Draco Meteor may might seem odd on a supportive support(supportive: providing encouragement or emotional help.) Pokemon, and Dragon Pulse looks a bit more appealing on paper, but Draco Meteor provides fantastic utility by being able to OHKO many popular Dragon-types in Doubles, and makes sure Latias can perform an alternative role as opposed to a fully support-orientated support-oriented Pokemon.</p>

<p>To show the benefit of using Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse, here are some important damage calculations.</p>

<ul="damage_calculation">
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Salamence: 396-468 (119.27 - 140.96%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 356-422 (109.2 - 129.44%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 374-444 (104.46 - 124.02%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 302-356 (100.33 - 118.27%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
</ul>

<p>The third slot is another move that prevents Latias from becoming dead weight after using Tailwind and/or or Draco Meteor. Helping Hand is extremely useful, as it can help boost her teammates's(teammate's;teammates';teammates's) moves after Tailwind has been set up, helping Latias fill the role of a supportive teammate supporter more effectively. The last slot has two main options. Protect is very useful for playing mindgames, and is a general staple for many Pokemon in Doubles, but because Latias is as bulky as she is, Protect is not nearly as necessary (as it would have been where?). Psyshock is another viable option, and it can hit hits common Fighting-types such as Hitmontop and Breloom for solid damage.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread and Nature are extremely straightforward. Latias has a great 110 base Speed stat, and when fully invested, it can outpace key threats such as Salamence, Terrakion, and Garchomp, as well as speed tie with Latios. The rest of the EVs goes to HP since Latias is used primarily a supportive Pokemon.(seems like fluff; just say that it gives it max bulk and allows it to outrun x y and z etc)
An alternative spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD may might look appealing for added additional bulk, but Latias's Speed is what really sets it apart from Cresselia, and it is much harder to set Tailwind or use Thunder Wave if Latias is slow. Sitrus Berry is the main item, as it will help helps with Latias's overall longetivity longevity, but on the other hand, Haban Berry will help helps it deal with opposing Dragon-types much more effectively, as it can survive any Dragon-type attack and retaliate by either setting up Tailwind or hitting back hard with a Draco Meteor. Dragon Pulse could work over Draco Meteor, but it misses out on the important OHKOs listed above. Psychic is an option to hit Pokemon such as Breloom and Landorus-T for more damage, but Psyshock hits most Pokemon harder due to the metagame being more specially defensive in general.</p>

<p>First and foremost when it comes to picking teammates, know that anything with middling to high Speed appreciates the (twind?) support from Latias. Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Heracross, and Victini are all good Pokemon to use in on Tailwind teams, and should therefore be considered to be used alongside Latias. Even more notable teammates under this category are Ground-(AH)types that benefit from Tailwind. Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Mamoswine are all fantastic teammates, as they can freely use Earthquake when sided by Latias due to Latias's immunity to it. Steel-types synergize extremely well with Latias, as they resist attacks that hit Latias for super effective damage, so Pokemon such as Scizor and Metagross are good teammates as well. Finally, teams weak to Sun sun and Rain rain teams will appreciate the presence of Latias, as its presence alone will be a thorn in the side for of the archetypes of those teams.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>If you could describe Latias's movepool with a single word, it would be 'colossal'(add quotes; it seems like the word is colossal[like it has a lotta letters XDDD]). That said, even with plenty of attacking and supportive options, Latias often fails at using them as effectively as the moves listed on the main set. There are two item options worth mentioning though, and they are :(colon) Yache Berry and Dragon Gem. Yache Berry is fairly self-explanatory; it helps counter Latias in countering Blizzard teams and take taking Ice-type attacks comfortably in general. Dragon Gem, on the other hand, seems like complete madness, but since it Latias secures OHKOs on Breloom, Kyurem-B, and Chandelure with it, it is a perfectly viable option if you wish to fling an extra hard-hitting Draco Meteor in your opponent's direction.</p>

<p>Since Latias is mostly seen as a supporter, additional moves that help her support naturally get the first mentions. Icy Wind can be used as a different way to use Speed control, but it is often better used by more bulky Pokemon such as Cresselia. Heal Pulse is an interesting option that lets Latias heal a teammate, but should be used with precaution; it will hit the opponent if either your teammate goes down or the opponent uses Follow Me. Safeguard also deserves a mention, as it cuts the opponent’s opponent's ability to spam repeatedly use(or w/e you wanna say but no spam plzzzzz)Thunder Wave, which is considered on of to be one of Tailwind's worst enemies. Reflect and Light Screen seem great for Latias on paper, but she is no Cresselia, and therefore has a hard time setting said screens up. Sunny Day or and Rain Dance are options to help either support your weather team or disrupt opposing problematic opposing weather teams. Role Play can help perform this, as well as copy useful abilities such as Intimidate, but it is generally hard to consistently pull off successfully, due to the move's gimmicky nature. Magic Coat is useful for avoiding Taunt and bouncing back Taunt and Thunder Wave(unless im being a dumbass here), but it is very situational. Swagger can be used in tandem with a teammate carrying a Lum Berry to boost their attack Attack for free, and also to disrupt the opposition, but relying on coinflips is usually a terrible idea.</p>

<p>Latias can also pack a punch, so a fully offensive spread with 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe and a Timid Nature is actually viable, as it has due to it having more bulk than Latios. Main moves for this set would be Draco Meteor, Psyshock, and Hidden Power Fire. But that doesn't mean it's that its attacking movepool ends there. Thunderbolt and Thunder can be used to hit many bulky Water-types hard, and Grass Knot and Energy Ball can do the same, but they both hit different Water-types(why is it 'but'worthy). You could also opt to using use Psychic over Psyshock, but since most Pokemon in Doubles invest into in Special Defense over regular rather than Defense, Psyshock will hit hits most targets harder. Finally, Latias's humoungous list of other options ends with a rather peculiar option: Mist Ball. This move works as a STAB move and a pseudo-Snarl at the same time, but Psyshock is a more consistent STAB Psychic-type attack.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Steel-types, such as Metagross and Bisharp, have no trouble walling Latias's attacks, and can do a good amount of damage in return. Bug-types, such as Heracross, Genesect, and Scizor, can easily KO it with their STAB moves, and in Volcarona's case, even set up on Latias. Thundurus and Tornadus are problematic if you need Latias needs to set up Tailwind, as they can both Taunt it, the latter also being able to deal a big number with Flying Gem-boosted Acrobatics. Another huge problem for Latias is bulky or fast Dark-types, such as Tyranitar and Weavile respectively, as they can take it out with a STAB move of choice. Most Trick Room setters can both wall Latias and undermine it's its Speed control, especially bulky setters such as Cresselia and Dusclops. Chandelure succeeds in both setting up Trick Room and dealing super effective damage against Latias, making it one of the big thorns in the side as well. Latios will win against Latias if it gets lucky; it needs to win the Speed tie, and hope that Latias doesn't carry Haban Berry, but if the situation is this so, Latias gets OHKOed easily by any a Draco Meteor, boosted or not. Finally, Sableye is a Pokemon that will make Latias rip its (non-existing)(w/o brackets it doesnt flow that well) hair out, due to it's its ability to shut it down with Taunt,(RC) and burn the potential physical attackers standing at Latias's side.</p>

though i didn't do this in the check, please standardize it/she and its/hers
its is possessive and it's = it is ;_; y u no know laga
don't use future tense
uhh the commas seem to stretch out in c&c so you might wanna see that but it's ok if you don't do anything
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Thanks for the quick check :)

Sorry, I know about its and it's, I just write way too fast to notice ;_;
 
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[Overview]

<p>At first glance, Latias seems to be is outclassed in any role most roles / almost every role (choose one or something you prefer) that it can perform, (remove comma) in Doubles due to the omnipresent Psychic-types, Cresselia and Latios, in Doubles. Cresselia usually pulls off a support role better, (remove comma) courtesy of its mind boggling bulk; (change to comma) something Latias can only dream to rival of rivaling. Latios, on the other hand, often largely outclasses Latias as an offensive Pokemon, (remove comma) due to its higher Special Attack stat. That said, thanks to its good bulk, useful resistances to common attacking types&mdash;Water, Fire, Electric, and Fighting&mdash;and Speed, Latias is one of the best Tailwind setters in the metagame.</p>

[SET]
name: Speedy Support
move 1: Tailwind / Thunder Wave
move 2: Draco Meteor
move 3: Helping Hand
move 4: Protect / Psyshock
item: Sitrus Berry / Haban Berry
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With this set, Latias pieces together all of its positive traits to make the most out of itself as a fast supporter in the Doubles metagame. Tailwind is the main move of the set, and is a fantastic support move, helping your team wreck wreak havoc throughout the four turns that it lasts without fear of getting outpaced; (change to comma) but Thunder Wave is a perfectly viable alternative that permanently affects a Pokemon on the opponent's team's Speed; keep in mind, though, that it can only hit one opponent at a time. Draco Meteor might seem odd on a support Pokemon, and Dragon Pulse looks a bit more appealing on paper, but Draco Meteor provides fantastic utility by being able to OHKO many popular Dragon-types in Doubles, (remove comma) and makes sure Latias can perform an alternative role as opposed to just being a fully support-oriented Pokemon.</p>

<p>To show the benefit of using Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse, here are some important damage calculations. (change to colon)</p>

<ul="damage_calculation">
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD 4/0 Salamence: 396-468 (119.27 - 140.96%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD 4/0 Hydreigon: 356-422 (109.2 - 129.44%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD 4/0 Garchomp: 374-444 (104.46 - 124.02%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
<li>4 SpA Latias Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD 0/4 Latios: 302-356 (100.33 - 118.27%) -- guaranteed OHKO</li>
</ul>

<p>The third slot is another move that prevents Latias from becoming dead weight after using Tailwind or Draco Meteor. Helping Hand is extremely useful, as it can help boost her Latias's teammates' moves after Tailwind has been set up, helping Latias it fill the role of a supporter more effectively. The last slot has two main options. Protect is very useful in the last slot for playing mindgames, (remove comma) and is a general staple for on many Pokemon in Doubles, but because Latias is as bulky as she it is, Protect is not nearly as necessary as it would be on an offensive Pokemon. Psyshock is another viable option, and as it hits common Fighting-types such as Hitmontop and Breloom for solid damage.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given spread allows Latias to use its amazing speed Speed tier to outpace key threats such as Terrakion, Salamence, and Garchomp. An alternative spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD might look appealing for additional bulk, but Latias's Speed is what really sets it apart from Cresselia, and it is much harder to set Tailwind or use Thunder Wave if Latias is slow. Sitrus Berry is the main item, as it helps with Latias's overall longevity, but on the other hand, Haban Berry helps it deal with opposing Dragon-types much more effectively, as it can survive any Dragon-type attack and retaliate by either setting up Tailwind or hitting back hard with a Draco Meteor. Dragon Pulse could work over Draco Meteor, but it misses out on the important OHKOs listed above. Psychic is an option to hit Pokemon such as Breloom and Landorus-T for more damage, but Psyshock hits most Pokemon harder due to the metagame being more specially defensive in general.</p>

<p>First and foremost when it comes to picking teammates, know that anything with middling to high Speed appreciates the Speed speed control support from Latias. Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Heracross, and Victini are all good Pokemon to use on Tailwind teams, (remove comma) and should therefore be considered to be used for use alongside Latias. Even more notable teammates Pokemon under this category are Ground-types that benefit from Tailwind. Garchomp, Landorus-T, and Mamoswine are all fantastic teammates, as they can freely use Earthquake due to Latias's immunity to it. Steel-types synergize extremely well with Latias, as they resist attacks that hit Latias for super effective damage, so Pokemon such as Scizor and Metagross are good teammates as well. Finally, teams weak to sun and rain teams will appreciate the presence of Latias, as its presence alone will be a thorn in the side of the those archetypes of those teams.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>If you could describe Latias's movepool with a single word, it would be 'colossal'. That said, even with plenty of attacking and supportive options, Latias often fails at using them there are few if any combinations Latias can use as effectively as the moves listed on the main set. There are two item options worth mentioning though: Yache Berry and Dragon Gem. Yache Berry is fairly self-explanatory; it helps Latias in countering Blizzard teams and taking Ice-type attacks comfortably in general. Dragon Gem, on the other hand, seems like complete madness, but since because Latias secures OHKOs on Breloom, Kyurem-B, and Chandelure with it, it is a perfectly viable option if you wish to fling an extra hard-hitting Draco Meteor in your opponent's direction.</p>

<p>Since As Latias is mostly seen as first and foremost (you're listing support moves first because that's what Latias is good at, not because people usually see it as a supporter) a supporter, additional moves that help her it support naturally get the first mentions. Icy Wind can be used as a different way to use Speed form of speed control, but it is often better used by more bulky Pokemon such as Cresselia. Heal Pulse is an interesting option that lets Latias heal a teammate, but should be used with precaution caution; it will hit the opponent if either your teammate goes down or the opponent uses Follow Me (Are you positive about this? I can't find anything to back this up anywhere, and I thought this was just a Showdown glitch; not saying you're wrong, but just want to make sure this is accurate). Safeguard also deserves a mention, as it cuts the opponent's ability to repeatedly use prevents the opponent from repeatedly using Thunder Wave, which is considered to be usually one of Tailwind's worst enemies. Reflect and Light Screen seem great for Latias on paper, but she it is no Cresselia, (remove comma) and therefore has a hard time setting said screens up. Sunny Day and Rain Dance are options to help either support your weather team or disrupt problematic opposing weather teams. Role Play can also help perform this, as well as copy copying useful abilities such as Intimidate, but it is generally hard to consistently pull off use effectively due to the move's gimmicky nature. Magic Coat is useful for bouncing back Taunt and Thunder Wave, but it is very situational. Swagger can be used in tandem with a teammate carrying a Lum Berry to boost their its Attack for free, (change to semicolon) and also to it can also be used to disrupt the opposition, but relying on coinflips coin flips is usually a terrible idea.</p>

<p>Latias can also pack a punch, so a fully offensive spread with 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe and a Timid Nature nature is viable due to Latias having more bulk than Latios. Main moves The main moves for this set would be Draco Meteor, Psyshock, and Hidden Power Fire. But that doesn't mean that its attacking movepool ends there. Thunderbolt and Thunder can could also be used to hit many bulky Water-types hard, and Grass Knot and Energy Ball can could do the same; they both hit against different Water-types. You could also opt to use Psychic over Psyshock, but since because most Pokemon in Doubles invest in Special Defense rather than Defense, Psyshock hits most targets harder. Finally, Latias's humoungous humongous list of other options ends with a rather peculiar option: Mist Ball. This move works as a STAB move and a pseudo-Snarl at the same time, but Psyshock is a more consistent STAB Psychic-type attack.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Steel-types, such as Metagross and Bisharp, have no trouble walling Latias's attacks, (remove comma) and can do a good amount of damage in return. Bug-types, such as Heracross, Genesect, and Scizor, can easily KO it with their STAB moves, and in Volcarona's case, even set up on Latias. Thundurus and Tornadus are problematic if Latias needs to set up Tailwind, as they can both Taunt it, the latter also being able to deal a big number with Flying Gem-boosted Acrobatics. Another huge problem for Latias is bulky or fast Dark-types, such as Tyranitar and Weavile respectively, as they can take it out with a STAB move of choice. Most Trick Room setters can both wall Latias and undermine its Speed speed control, especially bulky setters such as Cresselia and Dusclops. Chandelure succeeds in both setting up Trick Room and dealing super effective damage against Latias, making it one of the big thorns in the Latias's side as well. Latios will win against Latias if it gets lucky; it needs to win the Speed tie, (remove comma) and hope that Latias doesn't carry Haban Berry, but if the situation is so, Latias gets OHKOed easily by a Draco Meteor, boosted or not. Finally, Sableye is a Pokemon that will make Latias rip its (non-existing non-existent) hair out, due to it's its ability to shut it Latias down with Taunt and burn the potential physical attackers standing at Latias's its side.</p>


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Laga
Please do standardize 'it' and 'her', i still see instances of latias being referred to as both :]
Edit- fuck, just realized what i saw
I saw melvni's check, after which i presume you standardized it and she.
i suck lol
 
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went over with ctrl+f, nothing refers to latias as she or her after melvni's check; this means that it is in fact done.
 
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