QuentinQuonce
formerly green_typhlosion
As I said, the specific flavour of the moves it learns - Quick Guard and Helping Hand and Coaching - speaks more loudly than the amount of moves. Lots of Pokemon get Brick Break, but not Quick Guard.
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(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon
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Helping hand is a normal type move and lot of mons get it. A lot of mons get quick guard only coaching is rare
Electivire has also existed for 3 more generations to accumulate moves from, and inherits some moves as egg moves, which isn't even an option for Zeroara. Zeroara has never been available in a game with Rock Smash or Power-Up Punch as TMs for example, but given their distribution and the other moves it learns it's safe to assume it probably would learn them if it was.
Although I don't think learning a lot of moves of a given type necessarily means that it should be that type.
Also that Pokedex entry is literally describing a physical Electric attack, not a Fighting one. If anything you could use it as an argument that Electivire should get a physical Electric-typed signature move based on it.
Although I don't think learning a lot of moves of a given type necessarily means that it should be that type.
Also that Pokedex entry is literally describing a physical Electric attack, not a Fighting one. If anything you could use it as an argument that Electivire should get a physical Electric-typed signature move based on it.
Sorry for nitpicking, but the measurements typically associated with fighting types are force (which explains their powerful punches) or energy (which explains their ability to lift massive amounts of weight), while the Pokédex entry for Electivire shows volts, which has nothing to do with strength.
Unless you are talking about the tail part of its entry, in which it seems more akin to how biologists explain animal movements like an anaconda wrapping itself around its victims and crushing then with massive amounts of force before eating them. It looks to be more of a biological instinct rather than a fighting tactic.
I understand your point about Electivire's insane amounts of fighting coverage though.
It's a game based on creatures battling. What did you expect?
Your examples of Fighting types which "don't make sense" are not very good:
Heracross is heavily based on the concept of throwing opponents over its body, which is analogous to a martial arts move. Additionally, the species it is based on is used for insect-fighting in real life.
Emboar is based on a character from a story that involves fighting and martial arts.
The Swords of Justice are based on characters from an adventure novel and incorporate a sword theme.
Crabominable's prevo theme is "crab with boxing gloves", which it carries over.
Primeape literally has boxing glove hands.
Toxicroak is probably a weird case, given that it only has only one Fighting-type move in its level-up pool. However, the existence of some questionable typing decisions is not a good argument for slapping Fighting on whatever physically-based humanoid Pokemon you want.
Electivire has nothing aside from "being based on a humanoid creature and somewhat bulky". There's one mention of it using punches across 15 years worth of Pokedex entries.
Furthermore, it's pretty clear that types such as Fairy and Fighting (and sometimes Dark and Dragon) can be assigned somewhat arbitrarily based on vibes. There's a ton of examples of "could be <x> type" and arguments for "<x> should be <y> type" with no further elaboration are done to death.
Plus, a lot of them are inherited from Electabuzz, and we all know that movepools that stretch back to Gen 1 are going to be filled with tons of random junk.
On the topic of missed secondary typings, one hill that I will fucking die on is that Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie should have been given Fairy typing, on account of, you know, being literal fairies. Their names are even based on fairy-like creatures. GameFreak seems really adverse to retconning the types of legendaries though, even if they were only single-typed to begin with.
If nobody mentioned how Mawile should be at least half Dark, I'm doing it.
delet dis, cease and desist already
Team "I thought Mawile was Dark-type" assemble!
Seriously, it bites, it's based on a malicious youkai, and it learns more Dark-type offensive moves than attacks of other types by leveling up. And it's partially black.
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There hasn't been a Rock/Ground since Rhyperior. Mind another speedy rock type would make things more interesting
Rock / Ground per se was more a product of gen 1 doing weird things, kinda like the ton of normal/flying birds and bug/flying early bugs. They havent exactly made more of these considering the two types toghether are... kinda redundant anyway, since they represent very similar concepts.
Reminder that Lycanroc exists and sucks ass.
First mon I outright dropped in a run since... Wow, I can't even remember.
Tbh, Lycandusk is actually pretty solid. Since on top of being a fast glass cannon, it also has a good ability to back it up.
Not rock/ground types
Not more broken than Darmanitan, Cinderace, Greninja etc
I mean, Cinderace is banned, one of Darmanitan formes also is and Greninja was banned (though for me, it didn,t deserve it, but I am minority there) in ORAS, so not the best examples the ones you are giving.
U really think a rock/ground glass canon would be so broken it would be banned from OU unless it has absurd stats or ability.
There are many things that can make a pokemon broken. Generally it's a combination of things.
If G-Darmanitan was Ground/Rock, it'd have also been banned (in fact, even faster, since it'd resist stealth rock), because what made it broken was the insane combo of Gorilla Tactic, another Choice item, and high stats with high BP attacks.
If Blaziken was Ground/Rock it'd also have been banned (in gen 6-7), because what made it broken wasn't the typing (fire/fight isnt even that amazing since it gets walled by things like Toxapex or the slow twins), it was the fact it had decent stats, Sword Dance, and Speed Boost, and the game didn't have anything.
Ground Rock is a actually insanely good offensive typing, a glass cannon Ground Rock would very easily run over teams unless it has some glaring flaws. They'd get quickly in the scenario where you're forced to have Aqua Jet users everywhere or run Swift Swimmers.
It doesn't matter if defensively it's trash when once it gets in it can claim a kill every turn. Plenty of other glass cannons like Pheromosa or Deoxys proved it already. Even your beloved Weavile is a clear example of how it doesn't matter if you have one of the worst defensive typing in the game if your stab are strong (and the only thing keeping Weavile from ban is the fact its stabs are either low BPs, unreliable or punishable super hard by rocky helmet).
Rock/Ground even gets free switchin on electric types which are super common because Volt Switch is a thing.
Fun fact: before Rhyperior, the only Rock/Ground types not introduced in Gen 1 were Larvitar and Pupitar. In fact, Rock/Ground remains the sole non-exclusive type combo from Gen 1 not to have gotten any new evolutionary lines since Gen 2.
how about nodelet dis, cease and desist already