Hal, I don’t think you quite get that while you were right this time, you are not entirely infallible. We can’t just immediately follow you and trust you aren’t maf because sometimes you will be or sometimes you will be wrong. We should have trusted you this time, but that doesn’t mean we can always sheep you blindly in the future, especially when you do something scummy like accusing someone who hasn’t even spoken as being scum. You are clearly a good mafia player, but you have the same chance at being scum as the rest of us, so we had to consider that possibility
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NOC Lovers Dance Mafia Game Thread: Game Over, Scum Win!
- Thread starter Nuxl
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I would've said as on outsider town that I would never auto townlock someone D1, but hal was still the towniest person imo from his attitude towards the game. Not town locking him and not sheeping him are one thing, but I don't think he was ever a good D1 lynch.
Yeah sorry they both were in so I couldn’t stop them after one voted
Actually I mentioned that in our scum chat that this is part of why scum win rates are so high in akogon kocs, because daychat is effectively an additional PR for scum )and why many setups tie that access to the mafia encoder role)
LOl Hal, chill out
This setup sucks and is boring.
I only joined because you people asked on EiMM. Not sure what did you expect
This setup sucks and is boring.
I only joined because you people asked on EiMM. Not sure what did you expect
PS: The setup sucked, but I think that was forced due to low player count. I'm sure this can be much more engaging with more players.
Because if I'm playing your game, you're either GOD or you really need a one more player
Because if I'm playing your game, you're either GOD or you really need a one more player
was not a gambit btw he rlly did claim scum, tell me i wouldnt have the guts to say it in chat cause i was paranoid, and claimed his partner
pre-game SETUP:
i found this setup on mafiascum and ripped it. the 13p was edited by me but the 9p and 17p are both existing setups with both town and scum wins. thought the concept was interesting and the neighborhoods would help get people get a read off each other.
in order, i wanted to host 17p > 9p > 13p because that's how i felt the balance was. oh how wrong I was lmfao.
-at a glance, the 9p setup seemed fine because it was a white flag sort of deal that didnt really open up bussing but instead forced the scum to look as towny as possible. also needed the least mislynches for scum to win(but i confused that for proportional mislynches lol)
then hal made his first post and i was like. "shit this is incredibly townsided". oops. sorry scum. at least you guys still won i suppose?
upon review, i probably should have edited the gentleman/lady into 2 maf scum(either or)/7 town. probably would open up a lot more combinations/maybe make people talk more? idk the level of apathy kinda bugged me but maybe that was the setups fault so i dont really have anything to blame but myself
the 3 day/3 day split wasn't really something i expected to happen either, the original design was just to have 2 phases: matching, and then a long period of time for people to talk in neighborhoods and vote. the pairs never intended to change and I'm pretty sure the multiple days thing confused people because they thought they would re match. but the votes were like 4 for 3 days, 1 for 6, and the rest didnt care so i was like fuck it
ideally this would be 17p but smogon's in a lull right now ): but yeah that's p much it. game kinda borked in the sense that the game could just be poed by an obvtown(which should have happened) so im sure that is incredibly demotivating for scum which i apologize for
game:
yea apricity's plan was very good. actually not just very good. it was just optimal and probably the "read by the book" way to sort out the game to achieve town victory. 2 town pairs regardless would instantly solvve the game
idk i dont relly know how much i shoudl say in regards to this portion. the level of apathy in pre-dance was alarming and everyone literally would have died regardless had i not extended it. there were some posts where players can get some reads but there wasnt too much which left the game kind of at a standstill until village leader apricity got back and took control of the game again. maybe that sjust the problem with the setup considering it left the game so formulatic?
(hard to say what would have happened w/o an extension. maybe some people lurking would pair up and win the game for their alignment lmfao)
apricity lynch was weird. it's not that the suspicion of him is completely unreasonable(scumpricity could pair and obvtown winning the game as the last pair remaining) but it is just a lot more unlikely that apricity is scum here than he is just town trying to poe the game lmao. i probably shouldnt have counted jalmont's post as a vote but i read it like one so that's my mistake 100%. i dont think it lost the game though and at least apricity's flip gave his wincon path validity
and then it wasnt followed d2. scum could kinda bus here and go for dusk/ken and then set up a texas/jalmont 1v1 but i suppose they didnt have much option here and just went for the jugular. both pairings went for the hammer in 10 minutes and that was game gg. i feel like inferno should've been more suspicious of texas (even though it felt like the chat was erroneously painted when Jalmont asked him) but caved in and went for oddish. ken was originally suspicious of oddish so vote makes sense here
neighborhood chats were kinda interesting. my favorite was hal emotionally abusing his lady viper. someone please get them a marriage therapist or something. viper's paranoia eventually subsided but was unconvincing towards the rest of the game.
oddish/jalmont's was completely dead lol
ken/dusk and texas/inferno had small discussions about the game which was cool. i think texas did a p good job coercing his lover here outside of the main thread, getting inferno's vote while dusk's positioning throughout most of the game was p fine and lead to the last suspect being oddish.
overall, i think the setup was kind of broken which is totally my fault, but i suppose scum team pulled through in an insanely townsided setup so kudos. game thread was kind of dead and uninteresting which is unfort but that's also probably part of setup
i hope you guys had at least some sort of fun and ty for letting me host, really appreciated that there were enough signups to get the game rolling, so thanks everyone for taking the time to play :)
i found this setup on mafiascum and ripped it. the 13p was edited by me but the 9p and 17p are both existing setups with both town and scum wins. thought the concept was interesting and the neighborhoods would help get people get a read off each other.
in order, i wanted to host 17p > 9p > 13p because that's how i felt the balance was. oh how wrong I was lmfao.
-at a glance, the 9p setup seemed fine because it was a white flag sort of deal that didnt really open up bussing but instead forced the scum to look as towny as possible. also needed the least mislynches for scum to win(but i confused that for proportional mislynches lol)
then hal made his first post and i was like. "shit this is incredibly townsided". oops. sorry scum. at least you guys still won i suppose?
upon review, i probably should have edited the gentleman/lady into 2 maf scum(either or)/7 town. probably would open up a lot more combinations/maybe make people talk more? idk the level of apathy kinda bugged me but maybe that was the setups fault so i dont really have anything to blame but myself
the 3 day/3 day split wasn't really something i expected to happen either, the original design was just to have 2 phases: matching, and then a long period of time for people to talk in neighborhoods and vote. the pairs never intended to change and I'm pretty sure the multiple days thing confused people because they thought they would re match. but the votes were like 4 for 3 days, 1 for 6, and the rest didnt care so i was like fuck it
ideally this would be 17p but smogon's in a lull right now ): but yeah that's p much it. game kinda borked in the sense that the game could just be poed by an obvtown(which should have happened) so im sure that is incredibly demotivating for scum which i apologize for
game:
yea apricity's plan was very good. actually not just very good. it was just optimal and probably the "read by the book" way to sort out the game to achieve town victory. 2 town pairs regardless would instantly solvve the game
idk i dont relly know how much i shoudl say in regards to this portion. the level of apathy in pre-dance was alarming and everyone literally would have died regardless had i not extended it. there were some posts where players can get some reads but there wasnt too much which left the game kind of at a standstill until village leader apricity got back and took control of the game again. maybe that sjust the problem with the setup considering it left the game so formulatic?
(hard to say what would have happened w/o an extension. maybe some people lurking would pair up and win the game for their alignment lmfao)
apricity lynch was weird. it's not that the suspicion of him is completely unreasonable(scumpricity could pair and obvtown winning the game as the last pair remaining) but it is just a lot more unlikely that apricity is scum here than he is just town trying to poe the game lmao. i probably shouldnt have counted jalmont's post as a vote but i read it like one so that's my mistake 100%. i dont think it lost the game though and at least apricity's flip gave his wincon path validity
and then it wasnt followed d2. scum could kinda bus here and go for dusk/ken and then set up a texas/jalmont 1v1 but i suppose they didnt have much option here and just went for the jugular. both pairings went for the hammer in 10 minutes and that was game gg. i feel like inferno should've been more suspicious of texas (even though it felt like the chat was erroneously painted when Jalmont asked him) but caved in and went for oddish. ken was originally suspicious of oddish so vote makes sense here
neighborhood chats were kinda interesting. my favorite was hal emotionally abusing his lady viper. someone please get them a marriage therapist or something. viper's paranoia eventually subsided but was unconvincing towards the rest of the game.
oddish/jalmont's was completely dead lol
ken/dusk and texas/inferno had small discussions about the game which was cool. i think texas did a p good job coercing his lover here outside of the main thread, getting inferno's vote while dusk's positioning throughout most of the game was p fine and lead to the last suspect being oddish.
overall, i think the setup was kind of broken which is totally my fault, but i suppose scum team pulled through in an insanely townsided setup so kudos. game thread was kind of dead and uninteresting which is unfort but that's also probably part of setup
i hope you guys had at least some sort of fun and ty for letting me host, really appreciated that there were enough signups to get the game rolling, so thanks everyone for taking the time to play :)
Thanks for hosting nuxl, I sincerely apologize for lack of activity. Tbh I feel like the game probably would've been more interesting and active with more players? But I think the setup was kinda offputting to some of the more regular players (or mayhe smogon noc really is dead lol). I don't think I've seen a lover's game on this site before, at least, definitely not in recent memory. This game would've probably been more popular on a site like mafiascum or mafiauniverse, where that setup is a bit more common. I think part of the lack of activity can be attributed to people genuinely not knowing how to progress this game. I know it was certainly out of my element.
The game was definitely incredibly townsided, and hal's plan was pretty good. This really should have been the easiest town win in probably smogon noc history. I feel kinda bad for suspecting him, and he definitely didn't deserve to be hammered like that. I maintain that inferno at least had a reason to be scared, but I honestly expected more discussion to come out of the suspicion, which is why I held off voting hal, but *linkin park voice* in the end it didn't even matter because by the time I got back, he was already lynched. I probably could've tried generating that discussion myself but...I had no clue what to say lol.
Speaking of that hammer, that was an incredibly opportunistic move on dusk's part and I'm amazed anyone let him come away from it without much suspicion. I almost called him out on it, but got distracted and fucking forgot. ADHD is a bitch. And then of course, by the time I get back I'm fucking hammered and game is over lol. If I was the type of person to get mad at mafia, I probably would've been pissed.
Anyway, if there's one thing I can takeaway from this game, it's that my proposal was the best. That is all
The game was definitely incredibly townsided, and hal's plan was pretty good. This really should have been the easiest town win in probably smogon noc history. I feel kinda bad for suspecting him, and he definitely didn't deserve to be hammered like that. I maintain that inferno at least had a reason to be scared, but I honestly expected more discussion to come out of the suspicion, which is why I held off voting hal, but *linkin park voice* in the end it didn't even matter because by the time I got back, he was already lynched. I probably could've tried generating that discussion myself but...I had no clue what to say lol.
Speaking of that hammer, that was an incredibly opportunistic move on dusk's part and I'm amazed anyone let him come away from it without much suspicion. I almost called him out on it, but got distracted and fucking forgot. ADHD is a bitch. And then of course, by the time I get back I'm fucking hammered and game is over lol. If I was the type of person to get mad at mafia, I probably would've been pissed.
Anyway, if there's one thing I can takeaway from this game, it's that my proposal was the best. That is all
The setup clearly wasn't so broken that it was an auto-win...
Idk I can't have any complaints, I gave no fucks and then when I tried to start, the game sort of got thrown away for no real good reason. I'm not going to whine about that (although it is disappointing...), but instead look at it as motivation to improve! As far as things I controlled, I definitely could have and should have been more proactive and more steadfast and clear in my views w.r.t other players.
Thanks Nuxl for hosting! Thx everyone for playing (and sry energy that u had to die first although u did win a smogtour daily so props)
Until the next one...
Idk I can't have any complaints, I gave no fucks and then when I tried to start, the game sort of got thrown away for no real good reason. I'm not going to whine about that (although it is disappointing...), but instead look at it as motivation to improve! As far as things I controlled, I definitely could have and should have been more proactive and more steadfast and clear in my views w.r.t other players.
Thanks Nuxl for hosting! Thx everyone for playing (and sry energy that u had to die first although u did win a smogtour daily so props)
Until the next one...