Lucario Discussion

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The last discussion was in January, and I expect this may be the last discussion on lucario untill d/p is released.

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Lucario is a new pokemon of the Diamond and Pearl generation.(And my favorite pokemon of this gen) He has a very unique typing of fighting/steel that isn’t shared by any other pokemon. I’m going to go over Lucario’s stat’s, his move pool, and some move sets you could use with him.


Let’s take a look at Lucario’s stats:

HP 70 / Attack 110 / Defense 70 / Sp. Attack 115 / Sp. Defense 70 / Speed 90


As you can see Lucario has great attacking stats, both of which are above average. It’s speed is also great enabling him to reach speeds in the 300's as well as being able to reach the speed 264 without using a plus speed nature, that allows lucario to use another nature to boost it’s already high attacking stats.


Lucario doesn’t have the best defenses with 70/70/70 all around but it makes up with these lack luster defenses with resists provided by it’s steel/fighting type:



Resistances:
4x resist to Rock, Dark, Bug
2x resist to Normal, Steel, Ghost, Ice, Grass, Dragon
Immunity to Poison

Weaknesses:
2x weakness to Fighting, Ground, Fire


These help Lucario out tremendously enabling him to switch into powerful Rock, Dark, and perhaps a Somersault or a Heracross megahorn. It can also switch into weaker Normal, Steel, Ghost, Ice, Grass, or Dragon types just don’t push your luck when doing so because it cannot take these type of attacks as well as it does Rock, Dark and Bug types. Immunity to Poison is a plus that’s rather self explanatory toxic won’t hurt it nor moves like sludge bomb.


Lucario’s weaknesses are very few having only 3 of them. They should be easy to predict and using a pokemon like Gengar blocks all of them except for fire.


Now I’m going to move on to what makes Lucario unique and a monster to face on the battle field it’s amazing move pool. I’m going to break the list into Physical moves, Special moves, Support moves, and Egg moves.(Note I’m going to list moves that will likely be used on lucario on a competitive basis)


Physical Move pool:

Feint
In-fight
Extremespeed
Focus Punch
Frustration
Iron Tail
Earthquake
Return
Brick Break
Drain Punch
Shadow Claw
Stone Edge
Rock Slide


Special Move pool:

Dark Pulse
Pulse Bomb
Dragon Pulse
Psychic
Shadowball
Focus Bomb
Luster Cannon
Hidden Power


Support Move pool:

Detect
Counter
Metal Sound
Anticipate
Swords Dance
Calm Mind
Roar
Toxic
Protect
Rest
Attract
Endure
Substitute


Egg Moves:

Cross Chop
Detect
Bite
Mind Reader
Sky Uppercut
Hi Jump Kick
Agility
Vacuum Blade
Crunch
Low Kick
Iron Defense
Blaze Kick
Palette Punch

Possible future move sets:

Endure/Reversal Set
Lucario (M) @ Salac
Trait: Inner Focus/ Humble Heart
EV’s to be determined by metagame
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
-Endure
-Reversal
-Crunch
- Swords Dance

This is the set that will make Lucario famous as the only reversaler with STAB that isn’t affected by Sandstorm. Bring it in on a "not very effective attack" SD once, or twice if your lucky. Then use endure and proceed to sweep.

Sub/Reversal Set
Lucario (M) @ Liechi
Trait: Inner Focus/ Humble Heart
EV’s to be determined by metagame
Adamant Nature (+ Atk, - Sp. Atk)
-Agility
-Substitute
-Reversal
-Crunch

Another variation of Reversal Lucario. As with the first set bring it in on a "not very effective attack" Agility on the upcoming switch and sub down into Liechi range. This set isn’t as effective as the endure reversaler in terms of power, but you can use the extra ev’s left over to put into defense or hp to let Lucario switch in more often. This set can also be messed up by stealth rock even though Lucario has a x4 resistance to it.


Swords Dancer Set

Lucario (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus/Humble Heart
EV’s to be determined by metagame
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -Sp. Atk)
-Sword Dance
-In-Fight/Hi Jump Kick/Sky Uppercut/Cross Chop
-Stone Edge/ Rock slide
-Extremespeed/Blaze Kick/Crunch/Shadow Claw

This is one of my favorite Lucario set’s because it doesn’t just have one chance to sweep like the reversal sets. Once it’s in then your opponent is going to be guessing. Will Lucario hit my Gyarados with a Stone Edge? Hit my Metagross with a Blaze Kick. After Lucario’s counters are gone or weakened or Pokemon that don’t out-speed Lucario aren’t threats anymore that’s when you Sword dance and sweep.


Calm Mind Set
Lucario (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus/Humble Heart
EV’s to be determined by metagame
Timid/Modest nature
-Calm Mind
-Pulse Bomb
-Dark Pulse/Shadowball/Sub
-Dragon Pulse/Sub

A Calm Mind Set, I really don’t think this a great set for Lucario but it is an option.

Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus/Humble Heart
EV’s to be determined by metagame
Lonely/Naive nature
-Infight/Cross Chop
-Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
-Stone Edge/Rock slide
- Dragon Pulse/Pulse Bomb

Mixed Lucario. Life Orb power’s up both of Lucario’s attacking stats making him a terror to be seen. I only listed a very varations on this set I know there are a lot more. The advantage Lucario has with this is the ability to powerfully attacking pokemon on each side of the spectrum, since most pokemon are focused on one side when it comes to walling (ex Blissey Skarmory) this will hit most pokemon very very hard.


Overall Lucario is a pokemon that is very versatile and can be a threat to many teams as well as being a powerful allied member to your own.


So what do you think of Lucario in a competitive aspect?
 
I think Lucario could be the most awesomest reversaler in D/P, but i don't know if there really is a reason to use this aside from that and it's versatility.
Coolest looking poke of this gen hands down.
 
Lucario is gonna MURDER. Pure MURDER.

Poor Blaziken. Now that Lucario jacked his Reversal position, he's almost useless =/
 
I'm very much liking the idea of a max speed@Life Orb set. He seems like a great cleaner to me and the Endrev set will be very much expected.
 
I believe that Reversal Lucario will be more popular at the start, but on WiFi, Special Lucario will see more use.
 
Lonely/Naive nature
-Infight/Cross Chop
-Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
-Stone Edge/Rock slide
- Dragon Pulse/Pulse Bomb
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Sorry but what kind of moveset is this? The one above can almost fit the bill but this is, as the sticky rules say, just a summary of Lucario's movepool?

Anyway, if you are going to do as Misty says this thing never sees use outside of Reversal. However, I don't find its Speed that fantastic. 90 is nice, but it's still slower than a lot of important Pokemon (including Dugtrio, who will usually survive unboosted Extremespeed and really hurt with SE Earthquake).

Nonetheless a very good Pokemon.
 
I actually really like the Choice Band Lucario. In Fight 2hkos Skarmory and Suicune; Stone Edge brings down Gyarados; Crunch kills Claydol and Yonowaru; and Extremespeed kills Dugtrio 100%.
 
That was supposed to be a sample life orb set, it kinda sucks :x If anyone could post a better one that would be fine.
 
Mekkah said:
Sorry but what kind of moveset is this? The one above can almost fit the bill but this is, as the sticky rules say, just a summary of Lucario's movepool?
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It's not so much a summary as it is very similar moves combined using slashes.
In Fight and Cross Chop are both physical Fighting moves, but one drops your defenses by one-third, and the other sometimes misses. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse are almost the same move, having the same type advantages, but one is ineffective against Normals and one is NVE against Fightings. Stone Edge and Rock Slide is just a case of power vs. accuracy. The only moves that are more than marginally different are Pulse Bomb and Dragon Pulse. The moves are just listed there to inform people that they have a choice between more accurate moves or more powerful moves, etc.
 
nicely said Yashichi, i noticed the same thing about that moveset. I agree that Lucario has more versatility than Gengar. it can do anything it wants and has the movepool to do so. i dont think its speed is any kind of hinderance, seeing as tyranitar and metagross are slow yet they appear on most all OU teams. 90 isnt half bad anyways. Lucario's unpredictability is so amazing that a wrong assumption will allow the user to easily set up and wreck havoc on a team or even sweep the entire thing. expecting only the reversaller set will catch so many people off guard whether its a calm mind version, or a swords dancing version, or even a Cb or AG version. There are lots of suport moves available to Lucario and its amazing resistances already allow it to nicely set up. Lucario is such an underrated threat, because unlike the landshark or sala or even tyranitar, Lucario doesnt have a definite counter and its much easier to switch into then the above mentioned pokemon. I love lucario and it will easily find its way on many of my teams. You will soon learn how much of a team player Lucario is.
 
Haven't thought this out too much but I feel it's a waste to not use Anticipate on the only pokemon who really can use it. Just thought of this two seconds ago and of course haven't decided on evs or nothin like that.

Lucario (M) @ Okka/Beautiful Skin/Lefties
Trait: humble heart
(+atk, -sp. atk)
Anticipate
Agility
Stone Edge
In Fight

I figure bring it out against something it resists, Agility on the switch, and start anticipating. I haven't decided on the item yet and I guess that along with the EVs will depend on the metagame. I just put Okka since you can't anticipate special moves it'd probably be best to have something to block a special fire move if it happens to go through.
 
Honestly, I wish this thing would show up more often when this hits the US. On wifi currently, I have yet to see a lucario for about 2 months since everybody who has used them has either not used them correctly or it has failed them. It's a shame I dont see this thing as often as I used to. I know that as soon as april 22 comes, I will see alot more lucarios etc since everybody wants to try all of these pokes out that a few of us have had for over 6 months. Over that time period I have raised 3 gablias's lol. The set for lucario that I have seen with most success is the Swords dance + extreme speed set. People, do not use the reversal set. It is so predictable and is also what most people will be expecting. Try a special set or something since it can really throw an opponent off.
 
good job on advertising Lucario;
you're gonna make everyone in teh world use one.... >_>

edit: what are some counters for lucario?
im sure evolutia will know some good ones....
 
Misty said:
I actually really like the Choice Band Lucario. In Fight 2hkos Skarmory and Suicune; Stone Edge brings down Gyarados; Crunch kills Claydol and Yonowaru; and Extremespeed kills Dugtrio 100%.
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If you KO a poke with the other moves, Extreme Spd isn't going to matter much against Dugtrio. It can KO reversal Lucarios and finish off certains pokes, but it can really be seen as a specialized Dugtrio counter. A swdanced Extreme Spd is quite good though and something Dugtrio can't counter.
 
Lucario as a reversaller won't really do as much as you think. Yukinooh's hailstream kills it like other reversalers died to sandstream, a lot of stuff will carry Ice Pebble for Gablias, and there is a myriad of other quick attack moves to stop reversal. Not to mention A-Scarf which means a Reversaler never knows how much speed it needs (and sometimes it can't get that number)
 
e4protector said:
Lucario as a reversaller won't really do as much as you think. Yukinooh's hailstream kills it like other reversalers died to sandstream, a lot of stuff will carry Ice Pebble for Gablias, and there is a myriad of other quick attack moves to stop reversal. Not to mention A-Scarf which means a Reversaler never knows how much speed it needs (and sometimes it can't get that number)
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I can promise you that you will see little to none of Yukinooh in OU.. he will simply get raped with his only average stats and atrocious typing.
 
I just thought to mention it because it does stop reversal lucario...

but A-Scarf is a real threat, along with all of the new quick attacks...
 
I think sub might be more popular than endure on reversal sets simply because of the anticipated proliferation of quick attack clones.
 
Not to mention that it's easier to rack up multiple Swords Dances behind a Substitute while you need to have a very clear idea about your opponent's attacking range when using Endure.

However, when you think about it, if Stealth Rock will be as popular as predicted, you can only get to like 21-22% with Subbing unless you switch multiple times.
 
Lucario will be extremely annoying for the simple fact that it's too unpredictable. If you predict it's got a certain set and it has another one, it will throw you off-balance. Just like Infernape will.

CB Lucario, Physical Lucario, Special Lucario, Mixed Lucario, AS Lucario, and Reversal Lucario are just some of the sets that it can pull off.
 
Agreed and I love pokemon with versatility..I'm tempted to make a team centering around Lucario and Infernape, actually I think I'm gonna try and do that now.
 
Lone Star said:
Haven't thought this out too much but I feel it's a waste to not use Anticipate on the only pokemon who really can use it. Just thought of this two seconds ago and of course haven't decided on evs or nothin like that.

Lucario (M) @ Okka/Beautiful Skin/Lefties
Trait: humble heart
(+atk, -sp. atk)
Anticipate
Agility
Stone Edge
In Fight

I figure bring it out against something it resists, Agility on the switch, and start anticipating. I haven't decided on the item yet and I guess that along with the EVs will depend on the metagame. I just put Okka since you can't anticipate special moves it'd probably be best to have something to block a special fire move if it happens to go through.
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Interesting, however I was planning on having more knowledge of the meta-game before I made an Anticipate set. This is a good base though.

I know that Lucario, Infernape, and Gengar are going to be strong threats to a team because it's very very hard to predict them.
 
Judging from the posts in this topic, Lucario seems a tad underrated. A lot of people are recommending the Reversaler set, but I don't think that taps Lucario's potential at all. He has good enough defenses and speed, and a ton of attack boosters to hit things without falling to 1 HP. In fact, I'd rather use it for its resistances than throw it away immediately by trying to Reversal =/

Lucario@Leftovers
Calm Mind
Pulse Bomb
Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
Counter/Substitute/Vacuum Blade

Lucario@Leftovers
Swords Dance
Hi Jump Kick
Stone Edge
Counter/Substitute/Pallete Punch/Extremespeed

If only he got Baton Pass, he'd be very near broken. Other options are Metal Sound + Roar with Spikes support. Focus Punch/Substitute go together as well as always, and most of the other moves you can figure out yourself.

Being able to hit this well on both sides of the spectrum, and even mix it up a bit will make him very dangerous. It's able to switch in easily on CB Rock/Normal/Bug anything and start dominating; I think people will very much appreciate it being able to come in on 2 of CB Tyranitar's moves and take very little damage. Immunity to Sandstream, 4x resistance to Stealth Rock, and and being able to hit Dugtrio hard on both sides of the spectrum are nice additions as well. If it's not being looked at now, I think Lucario is quickly going to become a very popular Pokemon, and definitely will see use outside of Reversal.
 
I was thinking of this Lucario set earlier.

Lucario @ Leftovers
Sassy 252 HP/150 Def/108 Special Attack
Close Combat
Vacuum Blade
Swords Dance
Crunch

Takes advantage of Lucario's unpredictability, and the gaping hole in the metagame for fighters to abuse. Weaville loses to Vacuum Blade, with this EV spread this guy survives a CBWeaville Brick Break. Crunch for Ghosts, and Close Combat for Tar.

Vacuum Blade does a Number to Dugtrio, but Extremespeed doesn't OHKO Weaville even after a S-dance, which is why Vacuum Blade is on this guy instead.
 
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