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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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Ironic Double (2): Fort Colorcastle, Texas Cloverleaf
rssp1 (2): Hawkie, Moodycloud
Fort Colorcastle (1): KnightsofCydonia
Moodycloud (1): Lightwolf
Yeti (1): Empoof

Not Voting (3): Ironic Double, rssp1, Yeti
 
Asek said:
first noticable leet post at #313 and literaly nothing there pings me as scum and to be honest i dont even disagree with his noticable scum read on blazade. the rest of the reads are fine as well. of the 2 confirmed town we have so far leet town read both. he even gave a null on jalmont!

he backs up his josh read on #321 and its fine. i can see where hes coming from but i dont really agree with it

i seriously dont get how people r gonna scumread him for pointing out texas is gonna see him as being visibile on #680 like doesnt everyone on this fuckign forum expect to be invis so nobody knows what ur doing? i would love to be invisible from certain users who can see what im doing but i cannot.

kinda janky that theres a massive gap in his posts here tho

#767 pulls back on josh a bit, seems like logical progression in his read. a bit shallow if anything

he confidently townreads me in his next post (#769). does anyone scumread me itg anymore

#805 reads pretty sincerely like a frustrated town moreso then a frustrated scum

the hawkie questions on #889 are rather 'icky' in the words of my friend shubaka

#898 is towny

Overall he lacks any kind of scummy agenda and pushing into anyone. he isnt bandwagonning common shit and is going against the grain in a lot of his content. my only real concern with leet is the weirdo rqs like shit on 889 and the fact that his activty is so damn low, which is more reminiscent of a scumgame ive seen from him (deathnote) then it is from a town game (popcorn)
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There's scum in Asek slot/Blazade slot
If I'm wrong on this you can flame me in postgame
 
Asek said:
is that inherently scummy

i dont think it is

i dont think people would of been innclined to listen to him if he posted anyway, especially if he were to follow up on his scumreads that late
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Asek said:
i should state its just confusing to me how such a large group of players have come to the conclusion that hitmonleet is scummy when he hasnt done anything to cause such a concensus

like how did 4 'good' (hawkie, josh, tex, and blazade) all come to the conclusion he was scum? how did they all flip so quickly in the face of a wagon change? things just dont add up here.
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Asek said:
i dont want to scumread blazade after popcorn but i do (scumread him)

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/matrix-12-noc-day-2.3602966/page-26#post-7346135
i havent played as scum in like 7~ months can someone tell me whether you think jalmont would ask his teammate blazade here this question? its a small interaction but one that keeps pinging me off.
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The definition of hard defending
 
Asek said:
OK I'm going to be level with you guys

Former hope is incredibly scummy

the post I called gas (reads post) had nothing of content in it. It was literally stating what players had done, and I think he attached null to one of them and nothing to the other. This is town posturing done extremely poorly. His response has been shit to everyones conversation with him. His play so far is scum.

The problem lies in however that former hope looks incredibly scummy literally every single game. This makes him prime mislynch material and I think the wagon forming on him could be problematic. I do see one person itt rn that if former hope flips town i immediatly tunnel, so its not like its a lynch of 0 value . And I do think I should vote former hope if his antics continue. But for now I'm going to push other angles

(josh quote asking to vote a typo of shubaka's name here)
holy crap town read


I havent forgotten where my vote is btw
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does asek make this post about his partner on p5 if it's asek/ID?
 
Asek said:
why do you null read jalmont and hawkie

nullreading josh is too much of a cop out btw

i think hes town rn.
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asek started with a town read on josh.

also click the arrow on this post and go read 244 or w/e above it. i dont think that post can be quoted w/o losing its quotes so go see it on p10. is it just me or is that a lot of... fluff?

Asek said:
yeah i think im gonna have to lynch king_ or fh today after those posts.
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does asek make this post about teammate-fh?
 
Asek said:
King_ - this guy sucks so freaking hard its amazing. He literally rvs'd shubaka like 2 posts after i made the opening vote onto aubisio then has the gall to accuse me of going for easy lynches in the rvs later on. His logic is amazingly bad as usual, he reads me for something i havent even done / complete bullshit, he doesnt substantiate any of his other reads. I covered most of my opinion of him in past posts. Scum. Only reason I don't lynch here is so his fighting with ullar may provide amusement to us all.

Moodycloud - I said a few pages back that there was somebody i would instantly switch onto should former hope flip town and i may as well come to the open and say its moodycloud. The post here reeks of scum trying to push a wagon into traction that was forming (oppurtunistic). I think that could very well be what was happening here and moodycloud hasnt done anything memorable to me aside from this post whcih reads like bandwagonny shenangians so yeah.

former hope - another regular suspect. his entrance into the thread was taking an obvious sarcastic post seriously for whatever reason and he followed it up with a 'reads list' that had 2 people listed and he gave them both null reads. This screams to me of scum not knowing how to contribute and trying to glide through with what is often given the clean bill of health here with a reads list. Thats not gonna roll whilst im around busta. My main gripe is that this guy always looks freaking scummy except for the 1 noc where he was scum and ended up being the last scum alive.

Shub - I appreciate his efforts in continuously scum reading me but hes unfortunately wrong.

Haruno - I find my noc games are more enjoyable when i treat haruno like the guy with the dunce hat in the corner of the classroom in those old cartoons. Ignoring the stupidity for now if you dont catch my drift.

Hawkie + walrein had some good pushing and opening yesterday but have kind of done nothing today. Hawkie breaks a strong town whilst walreins just kinda on the town side of the fence but I'm optimistic about both of these 2 being town

texas reads weird for now. I dont remember him trying to buddy before in past town games and he kinda read weirdly conciliatory to haruno in one post and i wouldnt expect that. His reads are towny but tonally / logically i find him kind of off.

jalmont has done nothing i can really read him for. i mean he voted me which i dont think he does as scum so theres that

hitmonleets posts arent as bad as people say they are, they havent struck me as gas like former hopes town read list did. need more posts tho I dont think id lynch him today

is ullar waiting for his scum team to tell him where to push and what to post or some shit he said he was gonna post and didnt do anything except pick a bone with king

josh is probably town, hes pushing the people id expect him to and he reads tone for me as town. I will note however this is the hardest slot in the game for me to read with objectivity.

i will reserve judgement for blazade until later. the ghost of popcorn mafia shall haunt me 5ever

aubisio seems like he would like to help at least, town for now

ill need more posts from pblade. his tone is very neutral and a fair bit of his content is just 'generic helpful' stuff i would consider NAI. his post where he called aubisio town was good tho.

did i miss anyone? dont think so. if I did i probably dont remember you doing anything noteworthy which is usually a scum sign

(blazade quote here)
ehh id argue its completely differant. I think i post a lot but im concise with what i say.... i dont really waste words. In a real time format that would still be floody and drown out other players which would be suboptimal for town imo. Then theres people who pad out their posts with useless shit or stuff that contradicts itself which is just talking for the sake of talking which doesnt help us at all.

mind you this is very unrelated to our game and i havent played real time in 4~ years unless ToS counts
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i bolded the asek reads of every still-living player

iunno i really dislike how in-line asek fell with josh onto the king push. my feelings about king are known and knights has also pointed out how king being borderline policy lynch is garbo.

the aubisio and blazade reads are by far the biggest cop-outs. moody and fh both have 3 lines of thought-out reasoning and then you get shubaka who asek doesnt even READ one way or another just calls them wrong, aubisio with nada, and blazade with even more nada.
 
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