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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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i just read d1-d2 and i scumread Ullar again

Ullar said:
hi sry

i disagree with the current lynch on king_; it's just him taking everything personally and being a general high-falutin oaf, which is tbh NAI

josh is being whatever the fuck he is; im a little wary of his tunneling, but eh, whats new

texas im not sure about tbh; he's looking for read substantiation, but im not sure how much is behind it. null for now

walrein seems towny to me imho; he's contributing and being his walrein-y self

i like asek, he's holdin folks accountable

Knights is being his usual self, hard to get a read on atm

haruno should seriously re-evaluate the choices in his life that led him to this playstyle on internet mafia; he's frustratingly hard to read as a result (which is maybe good? idk?)

pblade hasnt contributed overmuch beyond counterpoints, but iirc thats his usual playstyle; he may be tryna slip underneath the radar tho

blazade is sensitive like i wasnt even talking about you??? lol i kinda like him as town tho

aubitchio

jalmont i dont remember enough of his posts tbh

shuBADGUY (actually idk, i think he's playin fairly towny atm)
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fuck im realizing these are a lot of townreads

hawkie im not sure tbh; this seems similar to what i recall of your past playstyles, but smth feels off. ill elaborate when i nail down words; maybe its how he swooped on leet and others too easily? idk?

tbh id wouldnt like a fh lynch; he takes shit far too seriously, and is prob confusedtown imo.

im sure there are folks ive missed, but i think ive covered all the important stuff

vote hawkie i rly dont like where youve been swinging your vote; its a little too easy for you for my liking, and im wary of those who place you in a conftown pile
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disagrees with king lynch for towncred then lynches me for going after his partner

Hitmonleet said:
Ok, life (and my FATE campaign) has finally stopped being a problem, so now I have the time to make a big post.

First, I'm going to make a quick thoughts post:
Asek - Gut Town due to how he's using a lot of evidence in his posts. I don't exactly think his support off King as a lynch is the best idea, but given his reason for actually doing it, I'm inclined to think he's probably town trying to get people to discuss and debate.

Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.

Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)

Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.

Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.

Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.

Ullar - Is Ullar. Gut Ullar, aka ??????

Haruno - He's like he normally plays. I get how people scumread him for it out of policy, but I think this Haruno is town. I watched him play scum in OCNOC, and this is subtly different. He isn't aggressively pushing something specific, he's spreading the love. Town Lean.

Former Hope - In just about every game I'm in, I manage to somehow clash with FH over something over a misunderstanding, so gut town atm. His actual posts are, honestly, not too memorable to me.

King - I want to say this is Town!King, I honestly do. His more meme-y types of posts and one-liners are prevalent in the thread, and he's being active, at the least. Town Lean.

Paperblade - Paperblade is paperblade. I really haven't found anything that stands out to me (I literally can't remember any contributions he's made to discussion, but I might have just missed it). It makes me think he's trying to mostly just pass by in the night without being scrutinized. Scumlean.

Knights - He's trying. He's bringing up topics, making reads, and overall playing like I'd expect him to play. Plus, he hasn't tried to RQS! *Town*.

Moody - Another person who I honestly can't remember too well. Null.

Anyways, it's late over here, so I'll be back in the morning, and talk about:
  • Asek
  • Hawkie
  • The King lynch
  • Why Josh sux (jkjk)
  • Anything I'm forgetting
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Ullar - Is Ullar. Gut Ullar, aka ??????

Asek said:
leaning ullar as per hawkies reasoning and i think ullar may have been going for free town cred off of defending king in his reads posts when theres not really a basis to do so
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Being able to read someone like aseks posts after his townflip is a godsend

Jalmont said:
Walrein / Haruno, Ullar > King_ if it comes down to it. Honestly don't think either ullar or king_ are as good of options as the first two.

i just don't think "townread the whole game" is a good strategy in general and it's why i keep going back to walrein. he hasn't laid down an actual mafia opinion except for this haruno one. (townread aubisio after two posts? k.)

unfortunately for me i have to agree with walrein's analysis on haruno. I disgaree with whoever said (josh?) that this is how haruno always plays? i don't even recall haruno bitching about "blah blah day 1 is useless" or spending an inordinate amount of time on setup speculation. if people don't want to go walrein than i'm fine with haruno.

setup speculation. this is a big scum move. glad no one took the bait.

vote haruno
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Jalmont said:
Honestly think this is better than King_ or Ullar, too much of those two is caught up in them fighting over nothing and I think it's worthwhile to give them some time to actually play and see what happens. I'm not super convinced that one of the two is definite mafia (I don't get that sense) so I don't think either is a great vote today.
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Why is Jalmont so against lynching between King/Ullar??????????????????? Sidenote: King_ flipped town.

Unvote vote Yeti
 
Thetwinmasters said:
Votecount
Ullar (4): Hawkie, Blazade, King_, Asek
Asek (2): Shubaka, Haruno
Haruno (2): Walrein, Jalmont
King_ (2): Josh, Paperblade
Hawkie (1): Ullar
Hitmonleet (1): Texas Cloverleaf
Josh (1): Hitmonleet
KnightsofCydonia (1): Moodycloud


Not Voting (3): Da Letter El, KnightsofCydonia, Former Hope
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KnightsofCydonia said:
Don't feel comfortable voting a weak D1 scumread, but all my scumreads right now are weak. I'm going with the one I think is advocating navel gazing over scumhunting.
vote Haruno
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Starts the flip to Haruno that eventually saves Ullar. Yeti/Knights???
 
Walrein said:
hmm

idk if i like how quickly this haruno wagon's picked up

someone who's been here all day, gimme a temperature read: has haruno always been in the back of everyone's minds? is this sudden wagon maybe not quite so sudden? or should i be giving this the side-eye
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Texas Cloverleaf said:
my thoughts exactly, feels pretty likely one of jalmont/king/knights is scum

hint hint
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Walrein said:
would agree that knights's vote feels the worst out of the three
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d1 looks bad but not scummy to me, i wouldn't be fond of the slot if i had subbed into dle's instead of his but the dude gets into too many rere fights.

i cant explain ullar's mindset making those posts so not gonna try.

leet nulls other people/cops out on them so thats not like, specific to ullar.

jalmont isnt against lynching ullar/king, certainly not "so" against, he just wants towncred for saying "i said theyd be a mislynch!!!" after the fact.

scum who are confident they'll outwit later are fine getting towncred for protesting early mislynches onto mislynch bait. jalmont gets cred for saying "man king/ullar seem like bad lynches" knowing those 2 are not able to defend themselves and gonna be lynched soon enough.

he probably sets up a push onto josh or texas, maybe asek, at that point depending on who pushed the king+ullar wagons hardest.

my theory, we'll never know cause walrein owned him
 
i think that everyone should iso/read back on the thread when considering their reads or pushes like hawkie is

the problem with just reading what other ppl are isoing and quoting like i did yday, going into it thinking "hm is there evidence asek is scum," is these are obviously cherrypicked quotes to support a narrative.

i found enough things within my own iso and moody's stuff to think yeah asek is scummy! but i think i neglected stuff that i also saw that was contrary to scum!asek bc i was intent on only supporting scum!asek in what i quoted.

failfish me
 
Ullar said:
unvote
vote Haruno

self preservation

im a vanilla townie

best claim ever amirite
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