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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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I built my read on Texas around my thinking he was jk and tried to signal that to him. Scum!me would have spent this game PR hunting and would have killed Texas as a result.

I hate taking risks. 50/50 is too risky for me, anything that can backfire is out of the question. Both taking away the opportunity to get a 1 for 1 from the godkill and bussing a PR are anathema from a scum!me perspective.
 
Hitmonleet said:
Ok, life (and my FATE campaign) has finally stopped being a problem, so now I have the time to make a big post.

First, I'm going to make a quick thoughts post:
Asek - Gut Town due to how he's using a lot of evidence in his posts. I don't exactly think his support off King as a lynch is the best idea, but given his reason for actually doing it, I'm inclined to think he's probably town trying to get people to discuss and debate.

Josh - He's still posting really short posts and one-liners, which just feels kind of odd to me, what with how I'm used to seeing him play. Scumlean.

Jalmont & Aubisio - Who? Where did these guys go? Do they even have the minimum 5 posts? (Ignore the fact that I haven't made 5 posts yet)

Hawkie - I really don't know with this guy. He's pretty confident and aggressive in his thoughts, which is exactly how I'd expect Josh to be. He might be coached, but that's really unlikely, imo. Null, scumread if Josh is scum.

Blazade - I don't know his meta either, which makes me a bit confused as to what to read him. His posts are a bit aggressive and demeaning, which, unlike Hawkie, rub me the wrong way. He does bring up valid points tho. Gut Scum.

Texas - He's pointing things out, and although his rationale does have me a bit bemused atm, I'm feeling a bit confident in him being Town.

Ullar - Is Ullar. Gut Ullar, aka ??????

Haruno - He's like he normally plays. I get how people scumread him for it out of policy, but I think this Haruno is town. I watched him play scum in OCNOC, and this is subtly different. He isn't aggressively pushing something specific, he's spreading the love. Town Lean.

Former Hope - In just about every game I'm in, I manage to somehow clash with FH over something over a misunderstanding, so gut town atm. His actual posts are, honestly, not too memorable to me.

King - I want to say this is Town!King, I honestly do. His more meme-y types of posts and one-liners are prevalent in the thread, and he's being active, at the least. Town Lean.

Paperblade - Paperblade is paperblade. I really haven't found anything that stands out to me (I literally can't remember any contributions he's made to discussion, but I might have just missed it). It makes me think he's trying to mostly just pass by in the night without being scrutinized. Scumlean.

Knights - He's trying. He's bringing up topics, making reads, and overall playing like I'd expect him to play. Plus, he hasn't tried to RQS! *Town*.

Moody - Another person who I honestly can't remember too well. Null.

Anyways, it's late over here, so I'll be back in the morning, and talk about:
  • Asek
  • Hawkie
  • The King lynch
  • Why Josh sux (jkjk)
  • Anything I'm forgetting
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From this i'm getting Blazade was his first planned push so LW is cleaner. The Knights and Texas reads seem really off to me, particularly the Knights one.
Hitmonleet said:
That actually makes some sense. Unvote. You're still suspect to me, but your explanation does make sense.

Also, I've attempted to be productive, but everyone ignores what I ask them, so nothing comes of it.

Yeti does seem a bit suspicious, now that you're mentioning it, but I'm going to look over some posts real quick.
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yeti town he was obv going to try and shift the lynch to them

Hitmonleet said:
Yeti's entrance that Josh mentioned. It's a very ...decisive entrance. A lot of definite scum and definite town in their opinion, which feels very odd. Especially when you scumread one of the biggest townreads in the game, along with 3 of the most active players, it just feels like attempting to sow a lot of discord. I don't like it. They then townread Hawkie without much fanfare, which just feels like they're attempting a concession to appear less suspicious. This, combined with Ullar's prior antics, makes me want to Vote Yeti atm.

Empoof I suppose this would be my shot.
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yup yeti town

Hitmonleet said:
I don't have a gamesolve. I don't have confidence in my reads, so I've been abstaining from lynching a lot lately.

I suppose, if I HAD to try and gamesolve atm, I'd be saying Josh/Yeti + Texas + Papercake, I suppose. I'm not sure of any of these rn (except Yeti/Josh), so it's more my general leanings rn.
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had said fuck all about texas since that wall reads post TRing him. alarm bells

Hitmonleet said:
Sure!

  • Josh/Yeti feels too directly antagonizing to be TvT, imo. At least one of them is likely scum. Plus, they each have other reasons to be lynched (Yeti has that horrible entrance, Josh has the constant changing [although he did explain that])
  • Texas has had some shoddy reasonings overall, and his posts have felt really bloated with irrelevant or obvious statements.
  • Papercake, honestly, I just don't like. It's really a gutread, but it's the strongest scum I have after these two/three.
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bs read on texas
Hitmonleet said:
Personally though, there is someone I dislike more, now that I think about it.

Unvote Vote Texas Cloverleaf.

Stop stuffing your posts and start providing helpful thoughts.
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be aware that ID was well into bussing Hitmon at this point. feeling this team so much rn

Texas Cloverleaf said:
alright looked into a couple things and I don't think i'm comfortable lynching ironicdouble before hitmonleet. i think if hitmonleet flips scum there's enough reasoning below the surface to lock ID as town and as before if he flips town it makes asek more likely scum. for the time being unvote Vote Blazade
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Texas Cloverleaf said:
this isn't accurate btw, what i said was that we don't vote him unless there's a better alternative which is signaling to the thread to start looking for the other scum mates while coming back to leet later

moreover i came to the conclusion that we dont lynch ID before leet which was the primary counterwagon
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this was d2 so im guessing they hadn't used the strongman yet.

Lynch Texas
 
Empoof said:
kid just dumbtold that he didn't try to kill texas during one of the no kill nights

dude's just town
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i kind of get what you're saying but can you explain how EXACTLY you think its a dumbtell he didnt try to?

i saw his post as a lot more WIFOMy but ill unvote until you can elaborate
 
i think its kind of funny moody gave us the Dank info that only one of hawkie and texas can possibly be scum but that info is totally useless, actually, bc there is only one scum left and one being town says nothing about the other
 
Yeti said:
i kind of get what you're saying but can you explain how EXACTLY you think its a dumbtell he didnt try to?

i saw his post as a lot more WIFOMy but ill unvote until you can elaborate
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texas was the n5 "save" in a knights scum world, so he would know that he tried to kill him.

imo it's obvious he's not "going" for a dumbtell, he's trying to defend himself by saying texas is still alive even though he thought he was the JK

He also would know that texas WASN'T the JK the day before unless texas targetted exactly the scum that pushed the kill which would have been a RED CHECK and texas would've acted very differently about it.
 
i did think that the ID bus onto leet was prompted by a majority-village push onto leet on D1

that has played out so far that at least 4/5 MUST be town

i still think the blazade-hawkie slots twinning their votes is too weird for one to be mafia so i have a real problem there

i either remove everyone left itg besides knights and fort from my PoE pool and then think it must be knights bc fort is out for other PoE reasons namely saving my slot D1

or contend texas hopped aboard the leetwagon D1 looking for some juicy towncred
 
MoodyCloud said:
Targets were
n1 DLE
n2 Asek (nokill)
n3 Hawkie (nokill)
n4 Empoof
n5 Texas (nokill)
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Asek was the n2 target for how heavy he was getting townread
Hawkie was the n3 target for how heavy he was getting townread or he's scum who carried the kill while being largely townread and likely JK target
Texas was the n5 target because they thought he was JK or he's scum
 
also if the moody n5 block was a red check then there was no way for moody to save himself n6

i again think the smartest play for scum was to intentionally idle their kill and hope moody targeted me with jk and i get mislynched

but possibly texas takes the opportunity to kill moody before he could be rehooked n7?

if that had happened i would have accepted the mislynch bc no way i could make it to LYLO but texas would be the one i call out as most likely to perpetrate such a scheme
 
i personally thought it was pretty clear texas wasnt jk, i actually thought he was trying to soft to josh with whatever off-site mumbo jumbo that HE was the jk but then his thing about ID being jk as the actual soft made me think nahhh

i had been thinking it was hawkie, i doubt i would have believed forts claiming jk (n/o), i would have expected a cc if knights did but wouldnt have lynched him that day
 
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