First notable interaction is a Blazade RVS on Paperblade (Town) at #14
Doing RVS by gut alone feel weird.
vote Moody
Followed by Knights RVS on Moody (town) at #16
Hey
I'm à vt
meows
do not lynch aubisios or harunos
They are greatly oppressed in our society
At #30, Aubisio (Fort Colorcastle) hard claims VT and throws in a defense of haruno
Flip flopping is a silly argument. Uninformed people should update their opinions, which is usually why I like to attach some sort of confidence level to my reads.
Blazade’s second post of note is game theory commentary soft defending walrein
vote Paperblade
heya!!!!!!!!!!!
Hawkie’s first post at #38 RVSing paperblade (town)
as i was readin thru what's happened so far i was searching for how to describe how i felt about Walrein's posts and he done it for me. from a tonal standpoint i feel like he's being disingenuous because i really have no memory of him ever being this wishy-washy
Second post casts suspicion on walrein (town), follows up with #49 and switches vote to walrein at #54 which results in hawkie getting townread by walrein for the first time at #57
im sorry but what? you're lynching Asek for CREATING DISCUSSION D1? hi hello why
At #59 hawkie defends asek from jalmont’s vote, potential town defense, potential scum distancing
Well this game started with a bang.
hawkie said:
we're lynching Jalmont then Josh the town Vigilante will shoot Blazade
But this statement is just plain weird. Especially less than 6 hours after the game has started. Could just be cockyness, but it's rather unsettling to come to a conclusion like this so quickly.
Especially since theirs only 4/12 with a town vig. So the automatic assumption that there is one at all stands out as particularly insightful (especially if it's proven there is one that isn't hawkie).
Yeti This pair of posts by former hope is what drove me to think he might be the jailkeeper, former hope is the first person to jump on a setup spec post and the first person to go in that territory at all. His description of this as insightful suggests he’s placing particular meaning on it which I interpreted to mean he was looking for more information to determine which set up we were in as a jailkeeper. As it turned out this was equally applicable to the Mafia OS strongman.
Former flipping mafia does suggest a higher probability of Hawkie being town, it would be very bizarre for scum to specifically make a scum theatre just for the sake of their strongman trying to bait setup spec and claims; it makes significantly more sense for the OS strongman to jump on the inevitable town post doing the same. Former also sets up hawkie for a possible mislynch in the event a vig is impossible to be in the game.
Referenced in “On myself” is a series of post between FH/me/hawkie that are me scum reading FH town reading hakwie and FH pushing hawkie while I defend hawkie. As it is impossible for hawkie and I to be scum together the possible conclusion are as follows: Hawkie is scum distancing from scum!FH while being buddied by Town! Texas; Texas is scum distancing from scum!FH while buddying town!hawkie; or Texas and Hawkie are town pushing scum!FH.
i dont think former is scum. this situation literally played out in paranoia mafia d1 and he flipped town later on that game
However Hawkie does defend former at 108
Hitmonleet makes his entrance at 112
When you wake up to a new game and we're already out of RVS.
Some thoughts right out of the gate:
- Josh isn't being nearly as verbose and direct as in Deathnote, which is a bit troubling.
- Hawkie is kind of confusing to me, tbh. I've never played in a game with him/her/them before, I don't really know their meta all that much. He seems very direct and quick to make decisions, which feels somewhat towny to me (to be fair, I tend to be that way sometimes, so it might just be me seeing people play like I play and liking that).
- Tbh, I agree with Walrein and Moody in that Texas' reasoning is pretty wierd, but I understand where he's coming from (I was recently a noobtown as well), but to me, it feels almost like he's trying to look like he's protecting Hawkie, and buddying him for fun and profit. I don't know Texas' scum meta though, so I'm not sure if it would work.
- Aubisio still hasn't posted.
Since we lack a majority rule for today, I think I'm going to
Vote Josh atm, as he's showing the most diversion from his normal meta.
Hitmonleet as we know is inexperienced and thus not likely to do scum misdirection plays. Therefore when we look at his read on hawkie we see that he is seeing hawkie as town but not wanting to commit to it. Knowing hitmonleet is scum this could be because he already knows hawkie is town but doesn’t want to lock him in with all the other town reads he’s gotten. If hitmonleet and hawkie were scum together it is highly likely hitmonleet would hard town read hawkie in order to create that consensus that would protect them both in the future and reduce the chance on one being mislynched. An experience scum might make this comment as a means to avoid being associated with each other, but we know hitmonleet isn’t experience as evidence by his waffling early reads which are more indicative of scum than town. Hitmonleet essentially follows public opinion without committing hard.
He then does the exact same thing with me, putting suspicion on each of me/josh/aubisio
Yo Hawkie after I made my second post I literally went to sleep so you can chill out lol. That said I loved you in that one NOC you were in here and it's good to see you back.
This is town Walrein. Maybe like 70% confidence since he seems to be motivated in the abstract and I haven't seen a scumgame from him in a while.
Willing to bet this is town Hawkie too, I like the balls so far.
Asek's post volume early breaks better for him on town games so like maybe 55% there.
Nothing stands out as suspicious as of yet.
Blazade at 114 is useless but throws town reads on two people who’ve flipped town and hawkie who is all but confirmed.
Not wanting to start an NOC that went to 5 pages this fast while i'm at school @.@
Let's try to wake up everyone else now that i'm awake
Lynch King_
Flyhn (yeti slot) enters at 116 with a vote on town!king
This really isn’t quotable but at 117 Aubisio makes a post soft pressuring hitmonleet. At this point all of hawkie/texas cloverleaf/aubisio have put some kind of pressure on leet. Is it more likely that one of us is mafia for starting this or all of us are town?
Haruno thinks that the only type of "not retarded" discussion is setup speculation which is just not true.
Texas (apparently) believes that his first post was meta enough that there's "one or two people" who "know" he only makes a post like that when he's town and that someone in this game has a strong town read on him as a result. wtf.
Don't really agree with paper regarding town reads: certainly it's better than doing nothing, but it's also a great way to avoid looking lazy. Giving scum reads is much better in terms of forcing people to take stands on otheers that they have to back up.
unvote vote texas can't get over how weird those two posts are lol...
This doesn’t need commentary. Keep in mind that scum!me has to be doing my initial town signalling while knowing that I was going to be getting pressure from both town and scum while also knowing I’d have to be careful about interactions with other scum AND that jalmont has to go out of his way to vote me here after pressuring me before rather than in a different direction.
The only way scum!me makes sense at this point is if the scum team decides outright at the beginning of the game for me to hard bus and hard distance everyone for town cred.
Alternatively that’s called scum hunting.
Knight’s makes some posts that are actually mind numbing and NAI
Jalmont's "vote through the stall" strat has a slight opportunism feel to it, but as long as he doesn't try to put his money where is mouth is I'm considering it null.
Waiting to hear from Josh and Texas. Josh ignoring the ping doesn't do him any favors.
I would have added Hawkie to the previous queries, but 66 has already been questioned and explained. I'm not getting pinged by the explanation, either.
Also does this though, singling out jalmont as scum!knights seems kind of weird to do here
Blazade has made some more empty posts to this point
Correct me if I'm wrong as I didnt see this amywhere. But there's no set up where a town member can automatically know which one it is right?
So ironic in hindsight
Current reads:
Lean Town: Hawkie
Null: Jalmont, Josh
Lean scum: Texas
I'm placing Josh as null right now. He's playing kinda like he wants to win by giving everyone else an aneurysm, but attitude is NAI. If he's Town, he might want to consider the benefits of actually being readable.
Until I hear from Texas, he's a scum lean. There were no indicators that other players had built any reads off his own reads and yet that's exactly what he's bragging. It comes off as trying to create your own Towncred.
Knights first reads post at 169. Odd that he nulls jalmont but mentions josh, and addresses me but ignores hawkie.
Even though you're acting like this, I don't actually feel any ill intent in this chaos. This feels more like the stereotypical kid cranked up on too much sugar than it does an attempt to spread chaos as scum.
You wrecked your chance to get my first full Townread, though.
I really hate how I can’t read knights at all
this post rubs me the wrong way. the whole confused town evaluating the situation feels really disingenuous to me. there's also a lot more to have commented on at that point than he did and he made no effort to acknowledge what else was going on the game/give his views
Vote Hitmonleet
Hawkie putting early pressure on. I seem to recall someone thinking I was scum for hard pushing leet d1?
really don't like how jalmont/texas just slung POV confirmation bias at each other, inclined to believe 1 is scum. Jalmont > Texas since all Texas did was reply
I don’t have anything to say about this I just liked it
uhhhhh I wanted your response not your vote lol. I think you're town trying to figure this game out which is why I'm engaging you. I legitimately don't understand your thought process.
Back from work, lot of weird stuff, let me take stock of it and I'll get something else out there before I go out tonight.
This is something like blazade’s 8th post in the game. He’s contributed exactly nothing at this point.
immersed in between these is knights + jalmont weirdo rqs + answer segment. Why do you ask these questions knights? Literally every answer is non alignment indicative, and its more often then not just people going to try gather free townie points. You tried to drag the game into rqs during oc noc where you were scum as well whilst I had pulled us out of that stage iirc. scummy.
Asek on Knights is basically why I have such an annoying time with him early, his posts have no substance that can be used to evaluate his position.
