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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins
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Welcome to LightWolf's Read Post Extravaganza Part 2. We are checking back into Days 4 and 5 for an exclusive scoop to determine, who could the last scum be! Empoof is left out, and ID is looked at.
Hawkie
#2106 Considering what is happening now, I have to question this. Based on day1-3 you were at the start of day 4 CERTAIN, Texas was clean. Using the same timeframe for a lot of your reasonings you now see him as confirmed scum? What leads to this sudden change? I would really like you to reflect on this, I will not state my opinion yet because I don't want to just let you say what you think will please me. #2571 Don't get this attack on ID. Why over ID not having the same opinions on pancake as you? I feel if this was scum v scum, you'd have talked to him in scumchat and instructed him to parrot your points, rather than this stunt. Odd I only need clarifications from you, but why did you react like that when ID didn't match your suspicions on pancake? #2598 Heavy anti ID sentiment after ID lynch seemingly started losing traction, previous post was more than enough to claim they suspect ID, this feels overboard for scum. #3127 Find this engage interesting, he did it BEFORE Texas switched to ID, so pre ID wagon. I don't think that scumHawkie, drops ID's PS name just like that, not without a lynch already having been started and this used as distancing and gaining brownie points with rssp1. #3168 And also getting brownie points on the guy you end up getting lynched at the end of the day is hardly beneficial. Considering the hard ID yesterday, I doubt scumHawkie decides to save ID now. #3553 Close to lynch excuse for the incoming rssp1 mislynch or honest opinion.
Final Thoughts: His very anti ID behavior, especially at times when ID was the safest seemingly overpower suspicious or questionable moves. His bursts of activity at this point are consistent enough for me to accept too. Wouldn't Lynch till LYLO.
KnightsofCydonia
#2043 Highlighted for the ID read, which is really meh. The whole delight and would have to be a sadist is a very weak reason to town read, and seems tacked on to make the whole line feel more robust, rather than just saying ID voted on the Leet wagon. Compared to other reads in the same post, it seems off. #3135 After a 1000 posts this is still somehow your defense for ID? This is the Chainsaw all over again.
Final Thoughts: Nothing new really. As one of my mains suspects during the last days, I mostly touched upon all my problems with him. Worth mentioning I hate his WALLPOSTS. At first his outrage lead me to let up on him, but his follow up to people not doing ISOs was posting a gigantic pile of quotes where ID was ever mentioned. I do not think the info in them was even really utilised by himself at all. This negates any of my hesitations from his Day 7 behavior. Want to lynch before LYLO.
Texas Cloverleaf
#2066 Always like when an universal Town read gets pressured, on the other hand where is the same treatment for Josh, who in general got the same problem as hawkie. Maybe just a personal bias and assuredness of Josh's innocence. #2222 This is about ID being the JK isn't? The implication here is p obvious after Texas explains wrong in what context. It is odd to just say it though, I question why this had to be brought up in such a hushy way. While I could see some sort of long con being possibly set up before, where ID would claim JK when the time was right, and Texas could jump on it since he already thought so. But then there is no reason to publicly suggest Texas no longer thinks this to be the case. Could be the plan was just dropped, but the theatrics are still unneeded. #2470 I don't like the hypocrisy here, considering with Yeti dropped in this very post, it nearly always came back to 'bad opening'. #2874 Why oh why do this after Josh pulled it the day before? #2929 Now here I don't like this vagueness. It's like asking permission to be antitown if town deems it okay, and then it's on the townies who said ok not Texas himself. #2960 So why do I not like this, firstly it's an excuse why you didn't lynch ID, which was not needed, it's like hammering home the fact you'd have lynched him if it wasn't for that read. Secondly ID is in peril, the JK would need to die, or you will likely be caught before you can figure it out. This is the second time you bring up JK during day 5, and it's a prime chance to listen to people's reactions and opinions to both ideas and try and find them. Thirdly, what reason was there to do this as town, "I thought ID was JK, now I don't", the only possible thing this can serve outside of the above is explaining away the mind merge convos with Josh that some had qualms about. Considering previous statements that you shouldn't make it to LYLO, it makes little sense to set up chances for the JK to slip or catch the scum's attention just to make yourself look better. #2999 Good time as any to ask, why do you think all of ullar voters being Town is less likely, than both King and Pancake being all town? #3585 Predisposed to dislike drunkenness as an excuse, also the unvote is directly responsible for ID surviving...
Final Thoughts: Despite the amount of rambling and unsureness I had done above, I actually overall like Texas. My feelings are, he essentially took over Josh's position once Josh was gone. As much as I don't like the JK questions, they make less sense as scum, than just having ID actually cc JK whenever it comes up. Wouldn't Lynch till LYLO.
Yeti
#2004 Nonchalant mention of ID and Hitmon both possibly being scum right at the start of the new lynch day. Very bold if scum, such a statement seems too early when ID may improve relations and nixing him there would make scumYeti's life a living hell. I feel scum would not suggest ID is scum that hard that early, rather expresses still having scumleanings on ID. #2082 Why would scumYeti disprove Hawkie and Yeti possible scum team, if her flipping would implicate Hawkie. In general Yeti makes a good number such things, where she torpedoes combinations we now know are impossible and one has to be town at least. While Yeti states this is done because anything that suggests she is scum has to be wrong, but at the same time isn't afraid to bring up Ullar interaction that do actually work as scum buddies(also disproven by now) so it is a question of suggested ones being problematic. Personally I'd think as scum I would relish in false combos like that(bot from now on I will call both out as either alignment mwahahaha) and it's hard to justify such clear anti scum behavior. #2188
#2650 This has always felt like a forced read. Why is it odd, that a sub has a different view and read of the game than the previous player in the slot. Saying it's weird and focusing a paragraph on it as a reason to suspect ID is kinda feeling like an easy excuse for scum to suspect ID, but not enough of a one to push him on it.
Final Thoughts: I'm not ever gonna be confident in reading Yeti. Especially the fighting beneficial scum pairings for her is affecting my perception of her. Honestly I'd likely say I never lynch her, but that is actually impossible, unless Empoof dies before LYLO. So the best I can give her is Wouldn't Lynch Till LYLO.
Fort Colorcastle
#2100 Never explained here, but if pancake moved up from null to scum, why was that? Also in the post after it is stated pancake is the prefered lynch over ID. This early it feels like ScumFort is expressing suspicions towards ÍD, but would rather lynch pancake. At least worth remembering if this pattern keeps up. #2139 Good to bring up selfdestructive tendencies Fort shared, among others with ID. Obviously Yeti's conspiracy theory is wrong as ID was in anything but a good position. It's kinda hard to imagine both go for the same style of defeatism at this point in the game, with FCC consistently advocating today is the day he should die regardless of alignment. While if this is a scum trick, ID would be the worst partner to risk this with. #2186 Switches to ID as preferred lynch, feels a bit early to condemn his partner just for activity, though could have been due to scumchat, will continue watching the pattern. #2335 Except as well documented here, you initially put Pancake as your preferred lynch, ergo biggest scum, only switching back to ID later. I do not however see why as scum he'd lie(likelier he forgot). Overall ID continues be his focus. And the day ends with Fort still on ID. While one can say it was relatively safe for ID at the end of it, Fort had had their vote on ID for so long, it'd have been hard to pull of and off vote if the votes were tied, and suicidal FCC seems unlikely to value the town cred of lynching suicidal ID. It seems contradictory to the assumed game plan of appearing useless to coast on self hate to LYLO. #2985 Why 4 days, day 4 you were on ID solidly, and it was a counterlynch against the mislynch, claiming the 4th day as another strike against you is VERY much playing into the defeatist for defeatism's sake persona. #3492 ID does not leave his list, and his vote keeps being parked there.
Final Thoughts: I don't see Fort+ID working as a pair. Beside my predisposed belief that Aubisio is extremely unlikely to be scum due to Hitmons EoD1 read, I can't buy both last scum betting on this suicidal nature to carry them, while Fort p much hard votes ID constantly. Wouldn't Lynch till LYLO.
IronicScum
Finally names. #2498 Moody and FCC for scum, one has flipped town. Hawkie texas asek josh for town, 2 flipped actual town. Does not mention Me, Yeti, pancake or Knights. Uncertain where he'd put his partner, considering this was likely meant to be his final fuck you to the village on day 4. Will see if he changed these or provided reasonings. #2584 Moves Knights to the scum pile. #2603 Explanation of Texas read, would he explain his partner first as part of his town reads? Reasoning very easy and completely day 1 early game rooted. #2608 Yeti added to scum list all of a sudden, smack down in the middle. If no explanation could be trying to distance, but could also be trying to capitalize on Hawkie's anti Yeti sentiments. #3051 New reads. Asek Hawkie Texas remained village reads, Moody was re added to the suspect list after being absent from his would lynch list eod4. Yeti moved more middle of the road. #3460 Scum read on Knights, but only after prompted by me on his promised deathbed. He is very clearly however sticking to his previous read post, rather than thinking things over, ergo he is stick to the story he set at the start of the day. #3519 Why did ID not vote rssp1. Now that ID flipped this is a question that appears in my mind. Was it just a ploy to appear towny and force others to make the decision in his favour? Or just dedication to his read list till the very end. Sadly not telling, as I see no benefit, outside of a very minimal chance Yeti missed deadline on purpose, for which the tie was necessary.
Final Thoughts: ID stuck to seemingly a pre set idea on how to read everyone, maybe fed to him maybe not, but clearly not even being lynched made him vote rssp1, because he already town read Asek hard. The only meaningful thing is 2498, where it's a three way split with 2 scum, 4 town, 4 not mentioned, but it's hard to justify which groups should have the scum. It'd be worth checking back when one block is confirmed to be all town, and then maybe something could come from it. Interactions are hard to justify, simply because he was p much forced to make them all beyond naming names, so he had p much no thought behind who to pick for each besides the aforementioned first post.
Hawkie
#2106 Considering what is happening now, I have to question this. Based on day1-3 you were at the start of day 4 CERTAIN, Texas was clean. Using the same timeframe for a lot of your reasonings you now see him as confirmed scum? What leads to this sudden change? I would really like you to reflect on this, I will not state my opinion yet because I don't want to just let you say what you think will please me. #2571 Don't get this attack on ID. Why over ID not having the same opinions on pancake as you? I feel if this was scum v scum, you'd have talked to him in scumchat and instructed him to parrot your points, rather than this stunt. Odd I only need clarifications from you, but why did you react like that when ID didn't match your suspicions on pancake? #2598 Heavy anti ID sentiment after ID lynch seemingly started losing traction, previous post was more than enough to claim they suspect ID, this feels overboard for scum. #3127 Find this engage interesting, he did it BEFORE Texas switched to ID, so pre ID wagon. I don't think that scumHawkie, drops ID's PS name just like that, not without a lynch already having been started and this used as distancing and gaining brownie points with rssp1. #3168 And also getting brownie points on the guy you end up getting lynched at the end of the day is hardly beneficial. Considering the hard ID yesterday, I doubt scumHawkie decides to save ID now. #3553 Close to lynch excuse for the incoming rssp1 mislynch or honest opinion.
Final Thoughts: His very anti ID behavior, especially at times when ID was the safest seemingly overpower suspicious or questionable moves. His bursts of activity at this point are consistent enough for me to accept too. Wouldn't Lynch till LYLO.
KnightsofCydonia
#2043 Highlighted for the ID read, which is really meh. The whole delight and would have to be a sadist is a very weak reason to town read, and seems tacked on to make the whole line feel more robust, rather than just saying ID voted on the Leet wagon. Compared to other reads in the same post, it seems off. #3135 After a 1000 posts this is still somehow your defense for ID? This is the Chainsaw all over again.
Final Thoughts: Nothing new really. As one of my mains suspects during the last days, I mostly touched upon all my problems with him. Worth mentioning I hate his WALLPOSTS. At first his outrage lead me to let up on him, but his follow up to people not doing ISOs was posting a gigantic pile of quotes where ID was ever mentioned. I do not think the info in them was even really utilised by himself at all. This negates any of my hesitations from his Day 7 behavior. Want to lynch before LYLO.
Texas Cloverleaf
#2066 Always like when an universal Town read gets pressured, on the other hand where is the same treatment for Josh, who in general got the same problem as hawkie. Maybe just a personal bias and assuredness of Josh's innocence. #2222 This is about ID being the JK isn't? The implication here is p obvious after Texas explains wrong in what context. It is odd to just say it though, I question why this had to be brought up in such a hushy way. While I could see some sort of long con being possibly set up before, where ID would claim JK when the time was right, and Texas could jump on it since he already thought so. But then there is no reason to publicly suggest Texas no longer thinks this to be the case. Could be the plan was just dropped, but the theatrics are still unneeded. #2470 I don't like the hypocrisy here, considering with Yeti dropped in this very post, it nearly always came back to 'bad opening'. #2874 Why oh why do this after Josh pulled it the day before? #2929 Now here I don't like this vagueness. It's like asking permission to be antitown if town deems it okay, and then it's on the townies who said ok not Texas himself. #2960 So why do I not like this, firstly it's an excuse why you didn't lynch ID, which was not needed, it's like hammering home the fact you'd have lynched him if it wasn't for that read. Secondly ID is in peril, the JK would need to die, or you will likely be caught before you can figure it out. This is the second time you bring up JK during day 5, and it's a prime chance to listen to people's reactions and opinions to both ideas and try and find them. Thirdly, what reason was there to do this as town, "I thought ID was JK, now I don't", the only possible thing this can serve outside of the above is explaining away the mind merge convos with Josh that some had qualms about. Considering previous statements that you shouldn't make it to LYLO, it makes little sense to set up chances for the JK to slip or catch the scum's attention just to make yourself look better. #2999 Good time as any to ask, why do you think all of ullar voters being Town is less likely, than both King and Pancake being all town? #3585 Predisposed to dislike drunkenness as an excuse, also the unvote is directly responsible for ID surviving...
Final Thoughts: Despite the amount of rambling and unsureness I had done above, I actually overall like Texas. My feelings are, he essentially took over Josh's position once Josh was gone. As much as I don't like the JK questions, they make less sense as scum, than just having ID actually cc JK whenever it comes up. Wouldn't Lynch till LYLO.
Yeti
#2004 Nonchalant mention of ID and Hitmon both possibly being scum right at the start of the new lynch day. Very bold if scum, such a statement seems too early when ID may improve relations and nixing him there would make scumYeti's life a living hell. I feel scum would not suggest ID is scum that hard that early, rather expresses still having scumleanings on ID. #2082 Why would scumYeti disprove Hawkie and Yeti possible scum team, if her flipping would implicate Hawkie. In general Yeti makes a good number such things, where she torpedoes combinations we now know are impossible and one has to be town at least. While Yeti states this is done because anything that suggests she is scum has to be wrong, but at the same time isn't afraid to bring up Ullar interaction that do actually work as scum buddies(also disproven by now) so it is a question of suggested ones being problematic. Personally I'd think as scum I would relish in false combos like that(bot from now on I will call both out as either alignment mwahahaha) and it's hard to justify such clear anti scum behavior. #2188
Final Thoughts: I'm not ever gonna be confident in reading Yeti. Especially the fighting beneficial scum pairings for her is affecting my perception of her. Honestly I'd likely say I never lynch her, but that is actually impossible, unless Empoof dies before LYLO. So the best I can give her is Wouldn't Lynch Till LYLO.
Fort Colorcastle
#2100 Never explained here, but if pancake moved up from null to scum, why was that? Also in the post after it is stated pancake is the prefered lynch over ID. This early it feels like ScumFort is expressing suspicions towards ÍD, but would rather lynch pancake. At least worth remembering if this pattern keeps up. #2139 Good to bring up selfdestructive tendencies Fort shared, among others with ID. Obviously Yeti's conspiracy theory is wrong as ID was in anything but a good position. It's kinda hard to imagine both go for the same style of defeatism at this point in the game, with FCC consistently advocating today is the day he should die regardless of alignment. While if this is a scum trick, ID would be the worst partner to risk this with. #2186 Switches to ID as preferred lynch, feels a bit early to condemn his partner just for activity, though could have been due to scumchat, will continue watching the pattern. #2335 Except as well documented here, you initially put Pancake as your preferred lynch, ergo biggest scum, only switching back to ID later. I do not however see why as scum he'd lie(likelier he forgot). Overall ID continues be his focus. And the day ends with Fort still on ID. While one can say it was relatively safe for ID at the end of it, Fort had had their vote on ID for so long, it'd have been hard to pull of and off vote if the votes were tied, and suicidal FCC seems unlikely to value the town cred of lynching suicidal ID. It seems contradictory to the assumed game plan of appearing useless to coast on self hate to LYLO. #2985 Why 4 days, day 4 you were on ID solidly, and it was a counterlynch against the mislynch, claiming the 4th day as another strike against you is VERY much playing into the defeatist for defeatism's sake persona. #3492 ID does not leave his list, and his vote keeps being parked there.
Final Thoughts: I don't see Fort+ID working as a pair. Beside my predisposed belief that Aubisio is extremely unlikely to be scum due to Hitmons EoD1 read, I can't buy both last scum betting on this suicidal nature to carry them, while Fort p much hard votes ID constantly. Wouldn't Lynch till LYLO.
IronicScum
Finally names. #2498 Moody and FCC for scum, one has flipped town. Hawkie texas asek josh for town, 2 flipped actual town. Does not mention Me, Yeti, pancake or Knights. Uncertain where he'd put his partner, considering this was likely meant to be his final fuck you to the village on day 4. Will see if he changed these or provided reasonings. #2584 Moves Knights to the scum pile. #2603 Explanation of Texas read, would he explain his partner first as part of his town reads? Reasoning very easy and completely day 1 early game rooted. #2608 Yeti added to scum list all of a sudden, smack down in the middle. If no explanation could be trying to distance, but could also be trying to capitalize on Hawkie's anti Yeti sentiments. #3051 New reads. Asek Hawkie Texas remained village reads, Moody was re added to the suspect list after being absent from his would lynch list eod4. Yeti moved more middle of the road. #3460 Scum read on Knights, but only after prompted by me on his promised deathbed. He is very clearly however sticking to his previous read post, rather than thinking things over, ergo he is stick to the story he set at the start of the day. #3519 Why did ID not vote rssp1. Now that ID flipped this is a question that appears in my mind. Was it just a ploy to appear towny and force others to make the decision in his favour? Or just dedication to his read list till the very end. Sadly not telling, as I see no benefit, outside of a very minimal chance Yeti missed deadline on purpose, for which the tie was necessary.
Final Thoughts: ID stuck to seemingly a pre set idea on how to read everyone, maybe fed to him maybe not, but clearly not even being lynched made him vote rssp1, because he already town read Asek hard. The only meaningful thing is 2498, where it's a three way split with 2 scum, 4 town, 4 not mentioned, but it's hard to justify which groups should have the scum. It'd be worth checking back when one block is confirmed to be all town, and then maybe something could come from it. Interactions are hard to justify, simply because he was p much forced to make them all beyond naming names, so he had p much no thought behind who to pick for each besides the aforementioned first post.
I will be Voting KnightsofCydonia then. My readings have not changed my previous opinions, and I just don't see Texas, especially with the Hawkie 180 from day 4. If it's not Knights, then I will be forced to abandon my small town signs, and evaluate people with out those, but for now this is where I have arrived.
That being said duck you Texas for calling out my activity as scummy, I'm fucking starving here trying to get this done too, it's 2 AM and I haven't eaten since 3 PM. I will be around till I chow down, but then I really need to sleep.
That being said duck you Texas for calling out my activity as scummy, I'm fucking starving here trying to get this done too, it's 2 AM and I haven't eaten since 3 PM. I will be around till I chow down, but then I really need to sleep.
u are the bestest
can't you see he was desperate and seeing if either you/knights/yeti lynch would take off to save himself.
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Texas Cloverleaf (2): Hawkie, Yeti L-2
KnightsofCydonia (2): Fort Colorcastle, Lightwolf L-2
Lightwolf (1): Texas Cloverleaf
Empoof (1): Empoof
Not Voting (1): KnightsofCydonia
Texas Cloverleaf (2): Hawkie, Yeti L-2
KnightsofCydonia (2): Fort Colorcastle, Lightwolf L-2
Lightwolf (1): Texas Cloverleaf
Empoof (1): Empoof
Not Voting (1): KnightsofCydonia
I set out the reevaluate my previous reads, now that it shrunk down to Knights only from my previous suspects within a single cycle. Maybe I went in biased, but I tried my hardest to find anything that'd lead me to another viable target, or something to justify the Texas lynch to me. Neither ended up happening.
I honestly don't know, at this point I convinced myself too hard it has to be him to reasonably judge others without him actually flipping town. Maybe look at fort or Texas, in a less rushed and hungry way.
Deadline in 3 hours and 25 minutes.
i know we arent im just asking lw what hed do
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