At the same time, if a mon is OU viable, the mega should be made not to outclass the base form. So for Dragonite I can see the point. Compare Garchomp and Mega Garchomp who serve very different roles.
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Megas For All (Read the whole 1st post and check current slate)
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Empoleon-Mega
Type: Water/Steel>>>Water/Fairy
Stats: 84/86/88/111/101/60>>>84/136/88/131/101/90
Ability: Torrent/Defiant>>>Regal(reduces damage from incoming attacks by 30%)
Movepool: +Play Rough +Dazzling Gleam +Roost
Type: Water/Steel>>>Water/Fairy
Stats: 84/86/88/111/101/60>>>84/136/88/131/101/90
Ability: Torrent/Defiant>>>Regal(reduces damage from incoming attacks by 30%)
Movepool: +Play Rough +Dazzling Gleam +Roost
So fairy type was added cause fairy tales are all about kings and shit like that which my submission was focused on the kingly aspect of empoleon(no kings shield cause op)
Roserade-Mega
Type: Grass/Poison
Stats: 60/70/65/125/105/90>>>60/80/85/155/125/110
Ability: Poison Point/Natural Cure/Technician>>>Technician
Movepool: +Nasty Plot
Type: Grass/Poison
Stats: 60/70/65/125/105/90>>>60/80/85/155/125/110
Ability: Poison Point/Natural Cure/Technician>>>Technician
Movepool: +Nasty Plot
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Mega Empoleon
Mega Bibarel
Mega Kricketune
Mega Roserade
Empoleon (Empoleonite)
Type: Water/Steel -> Water/Steel
Abilities: Torrent (Defiant) -> Pressure
New Moves: Roost
HP: 84 -> 84
Atk: 86 -> 96 (+10)
Def: 88 -> 118 (+30)
SpA: 111 -> 141 (+30)
SpD: 101 -> 131 (+30)
Spe: 60 -> 60
BST: 530 -> 630
Type: Water/Steel -> Water/Steel
Abilities: Torrent (Defiant) -> Pressure
New Moves: Roost
HP: 84 -> 84
Atk: 86 -> 96 (+10)
Def: 88 -> 118 (+30)
SpA: 111 -> 141 (+30)
SpD: 101 -> 131 (+30)
Spe: 60 -> 60
BST: 530 -> 630
Mega Bibarel
Bibarel (Bibarelite)
Type: Normal/Water -> Normal/Water
Abilities: Simple, Unaware (Moody) -> Unaware
New Moves: Slack Off, Aqua Jet
HP: 79 -> 79
Atk: 85 -> 115 (+30)
Def: 60 -> 100 (+40)
SpA: 55 -> 55
SpD: 60 -> 110 (+50)
Spe: 71 -> 41 (-30)
BST: 410 -> 510
With access to Scald, Super Fang, and Slack Off combined with Unaware, Mega Bibarel is amazing at stopping any attackers, eating through tanks, even making trouble for walls
Type: Normal/Water -> Normal/Water
Abilities: Simple, Unaware (Moody) -> Unaware
New Moves: Slack Off, Aqua Jet
HP: 79 -> 79
Atk: 85 -> 115 (+30)
Def: 60 -> 100 (+40)
SpA: 55 -> 55
SpD: 60 -> 110 (+50)
Spe: 71 -> 41 (-30)
BST: 410 -> 510
With access to Scald, Super Fang, and Slack Off combined with Unaware, Mega Bibarel is amazing at stopping any attackers, eating through tanks, even making trouble for walls
Mega Kricketune
Kricketune (Kricketunite)
Type: Bug -> Bug/Dragon
Abilities: Swarm (Technician) -> Huge Power
New Moves: Dragon Dance, Dragon Claw, Sacred Sword
HP: 77 -> 77
Atk: 85 -> 105 (+20)
Def: 51 -> 71 (+20)
SpA: 55 -> 55
SpD: 51 -> 71 (+20)
Spe: 65 -> 105 (+40)
BST: 384 -> 484
Kricketune really needs something ridiculous to be useful. In comes Huge Power, a Dragon typing, and Dragon Dance. It has SD too, so go wild.
Type: Bug -> Bug/Dragon
Abilities: Swarm (Technician) -> Huge Power
New Moves: Dragon Dance, Dragon Claw, Sacred Sword
HP: 77 -> 77
Atk: 85 -> 105 (+20)
Def: 51 -> 71 (+20)
SpA: 55 -> 55
SpD: 51 -> 71 (+20)
Spe: 65 -> 105 (+40)
BST: 384 -> 484
Kricketune really needs something ridiculous to be useful. In comes Huge Power, a Dragon typing, and Dragon Dance. It has SD too, so go wild.
Mega Roserade
Roserade (Roseradenite)
Type: Grass/Poison -> Grass/Poison
Abilities: Natural Cure, Poison Point (Technician) -> Natural Cure
New Moves: Aromatherapy, Earth Power
HP: 60 -> 60
Atk: 70 -> 70
Def: 65 -> 95 (+30)
SpA: 125 -> 155 (+30)
SpD: 105 -> 130 (+25)
Spe: 90 -> 105 (+15)
BST: 515 -> 615
Roserade is a fast yet bulky supporter and it's Mega attempts to make that role viable. It's not sweeping any time soon but it has good coverage and can serve as a general attacker with Sleep Powder just to annoy/force switches.
Type: Grass/Poison -> Grass/Poison
Abilities: Natural Cure, Poison Point (Technician) -> Natural Cure
New Moves: Aromatherapy, Earth Power
HP: 60 -> 60
Atk: 70 -> 70
Def: 65 -> 95 (+30)
SpA: 125 -> 155 (+30)
SpD: 105 -> 130 (+25)
Spe: 90 -> 105 (+15)
BST: 515 -> 615
Roserade is a fast yet bulky supporter and it's Mega attempts to make that role viable. It's not sweeping any time soon but it has good coverage and can serve as a general attacker with Sleep Powder just to annoy/force switches.
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Pumpkaboo is based on a jack-o-lantern. Jack-o-lanterns traditionally have lit candles inside of them. As such, Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist play on this by having access to fire moves representing their inner flames. I don't think Roserade should get it based on them having it.
Another issue with base forms and mega forms is the unpredictability shenanigans... most of the OU viable pokemon's mega don't have radically different stat distributions. Instead, it's just a few changes in abilities (and to a lesser extent, typing and speed) that shifts this. And, correct me if I'm wrong, the issue seems to be only with radical role changes, not the minor (relative to the one's we see here) ones of OU. It could be argued that there's no precedent for those kind of changes.
And we already have Charizard to try and out predict... now every single pokemon on the opponent's team can mega evolve (and with some of the changes here, have a different set of checks) and some of them even have X and Y versions (admittedly not as diverse as Charizard's thanks to the way they're done). It's not like I dislike the megas and there's no single one that's really problematic, it just seems that all of them being together would unhealthy for the metagame (and considering all of them are supposed to be OU viable, suddenly it's a lot more likely you come across at least a few things that you can't prepare for no matter what, making the game more matchup reliant).
And we already have Charizard to try and out predict... now every single pokemon on the opponent's team can mega evolve (and with some of the changes here, have a different set of checks) and some of them even have X and Y versions (admittedly not as diverse as Charizard's thanks to the way they're done). It's not like I dislike the megas and there's no single one that's really problematic, it just seems that all of them being together would unhealthy for the metagame (and considering all of them are supposed to be OU viable, suddenly it's a lot more likely you come across at least a few things that you can't prepare for no matter what, making the game more matchup reliant).
Attack stat would be 135, not 125
Empoleon
Water/Steel
Ability: Torrent/Defiant --> Swift Swim
84/86/88/111/101/60 --> 84/116/108/141/111/70
New Moves: Iron Head, Icicle Crash, Hurricane
"It swims as fast as a jet boat. The edges of its wings are sharp and can slice apart drifting ice." - The X/Y Pokedex
This entry isn't here to steal the thunder of Mega Swampert, Omastar or Swanna, but Swift Swim just fits too well for our Antarctic friend, transforming it from a great hazard controller to a fearsome sweeper. It is slower than both Mega Omastar and Swanna (we don't know Mega Swampert's stats yet, but Mega Empoleon's speed is probably similar) and has similar Special Attack to them as well. Empoleon finds its niche in having enough bulk to set up and being capable of mixed sweeping. It's special attack is not quite as high as Life Orb Empoleon's, but in the rain, its Hydro Pumps/Surfs are much more powerful than an Agility Empoleon's and it obviously does not take the Life Orb damage. Hurricane develops Empoleon's smallish special movepool while Iron Head gives Empoleon a better physical Steel STAB move and Icicle Crash makes sense and adds to its physical movepool.
Kricketune
Bug --> Bug/Fighting
Ability: Swarm/Techincian --> Tap Tap Revenge (Multiplies power of a move by 1.5 when a move is used in succession)
77/85/51/55/51/65 --> 77/125/61/55/61/105
New Moves: Sucker Punch, Close Combat, Mach Punch
I really don't know what I'm thinking with this entry, but it might be crazy enough to work (probably not). Remember Fury Cutter? Well this is the one Pokemon that could probably use Fury Cutter successfully in the metagame. Kricketune also has fairly spammable moves/moves that can be used on weakened Pokemon like Power-Up Punch, Fell Stinger, Mach Punch, Knock Off and such...I guess you can think of it as a stranger Moxie? I can't really explain myself. How about I show a calc?
252 Atk Mega Kricketune Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 109-130 (32.6 - 38.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Mega Kricketune Close Combat (on second consecutive turn) vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 165-195 (49.4 - 58.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
This means it has a chance to 2HKO one of the bulkiest physical walls in the metagame on the switch-in. I would probably use a set like this if I were to use Mega Kricketune in OU:
Kricketune @ Kricketite
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Close Combat
- Fury Cutter/X-Scissor
- Mach Punch/Sucker Punch
It would set up a substitute for revenge killers and the like and then begin to spam something. Swords Dance could be put on here, but it is hard to give up STAB and priority. Mega Kricketune is incredibly Talonflame weak, but really, what isn't these days? I hope that I have given you at least an okay idea of what Mega Kricketune is all about, though I doubt that I have.
Water/Steel
Ability: Torrent/Defiant --> Swift Swim
84/86/88/111/101/60 --> 84/116/108/141/111/70
New Moves: Iron Head, Icicle Crash, Hurricane
"It swims as fast as a jet boat. The edges of its wings are sharp and can slice apart drifting ice." - The X/Y Pokedex
This entry isn't here to steal the thunder of Mega Swampert, Omastar or Swanna, but Swift Swim just fits too well for our Antarctic friend, transforming it from a great hazard controller to a fearsome sweeper. It is slower than both Mega Omastar and Swanna (we don't know Mega Swampert's stats yet, but Mega Empoleon's speed is probably similar) and has similar Special Attack to them as well. Empoleon finds its niche in having enough bulk to set up and being capable of mixed sweeping. It's special attack is not quite as high as Life Orb Empoleon's, but in the rain, its Hydro Pumps/Surfs are much more powerful than an Agility Empoleon's and it obviously does not take the Life Orb damage. Hurricane develops Empoleon's smallish special movepool while Iron Head gives Empoleon a better physical Steel STAB move and Icicle Crash makes sense and adds to its physical movepool.
Kricketune
Bug --> Bug/Fighting
Ability: Swarm/Techincian --> Tap Tap Revenge (Multiplies power of a move by 1.5 when a move is used in succession)
77/85/51/55/51/65 --> 77/125/61/55/61/105
New Moves: Sucker Punch, Close Combat, Mach Punch
I really don't know what I'm thinking with this entry, but it might be crazy enough to work (probably not). Remember Fury Cutter? Well this is the one Pokemon that could probably use Fury Cutter successfully in the metagame. Kricketune also has fairly spammable moves/moves that can be used on weakened Pokemon like Power-Up Punch, Fell Stinger, Mach Punch, Knock Off and such...I guess you can think of it as a stranger Moxie? I can't really explain myself. How about I show a calc?
252 Atk Mega Kricketune Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 109-130 (32.6 - 38.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Mega Kricketune Close Combat (on second consecutive turn) vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 165-195 (49.4 - 58.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
This means it has a chance to 2HKO one of the bulkiest physical walls in the metagame on the switch-in. I would probably use a set like this if I were to use Mega Kricketune in OU:
Kricketune @ Kricketite
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Close Combat
- Fury Cutter/X-Scissor
- Mach Punch/Sucker Punch
It would set up a substitute for revenge killers and the like and then begin to spam something. Swords Dance could be put on here, but it is hard to give up STAB and priority. Mega Kricketune is incredibly Talonflame weak, but really, what isn't these days? I hope that I have given you at least an okay idea of what Mega Kricketune is all about, though I doubt that I have.
There's no reason whatsoever to post things like this every single round, don't be an ass.
(and every other Raichu submission other than nightsitter's was total garbage. Every other Celebi besides the winning one was also total garbage, and every other Machamp submission just turned Machamp into Conkeldurr or made him worse. I have no idea WHY you'd be unhappy with the winning submissions this round.)
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Biberal is missing 10 points
time for me to do one of these again:
Made dis myself don't hate pls
Mega Kricketune
Typing: Bug --> Bug / Dragon
Ability: Swarm / Technician --> Technician
Stats:
Hp: 77
Attack: 85 --> 135 (+50)
Defense: 51 --> 66 (+15)
Sp. Atk: 55 --> 55 (+0)
Sp. Def: 51 --> 61 (+10)
Speed: 65 --> 90 (+25)
Moves: Dragon Dance, Dual Chop, Outrage
Small note that I am not going to make these entries with as much explaining as I used to because it takes a lot of time. So flavor wise this really makes like 0% sense, Kricketune doesn't learn any Dragon moves, none of it's Pokedex entries say anything about a Dragon and it doesn't look as intimidating as let's say any Dragon aside from maybe Altaria. However let's face it, if we were keeping Kricketune's original flavor he would either suck or have Huge Power and I wanted to be original. Besides Mega Pinsir pulled wings out of his butt so Kricketune can just be a Dragon if he wants to be.
Battle wise this would make Kricketune would be OU viable. However if you look at the stats and the beautiful art I made you will see that it is really similar to Dragonite. However it does have a few advantages over Dragonite like Bug type STAB and Technician. With Technician Kricketune can also hit quite hard:
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 220-261 (64.5 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Technician Kricketune Dual Chop (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO
And that is with Kricketune being Jolly and Dragonite having and Adamant nature. Kricketune might find a hard time setting up a Dragon Dance but if you can get one up you will almost be guaranteed to sweep. Ow yeah Kricketune also has Knock Off over Dragonite. So in short Kricketune would be similar to Dragonite with enough differences to set it apart and give it a unique niche.
Made dis myself don't hate pls
Mega Kricketune
Typing: Bug --> Bug / Dragon
Ability: Swarm / Technician --> Technician
Stats:
Hp: 77
Attack: 85 --> 135 (+50)
Defense: 51 --> 66 (+15)
Sp. Atk: 55 --> 55 (+0)
Sp. Def: 51 --> 61 (+10)
Speed: 65 --> 90 (+25)
Moves: Dragon Dance, Dual Chop, Outrage
Small note that I am not going to make these entries with as much explaining as I used to because it takes a lot of time. So flavor wise this really makes like 0% sense, Kricketune doesn't learn any Dragon moves, none of it's Pokedex entries say anything about a Dragon and it doesn't look as intimidating as let's say any Dragon aside from maybe Altaria. However let's face it, if we were keeping Kricketune's original flavor he would either suck or have Huge Power and I wanted to be original. Besides Mega Pinsir pulled wings out of his butt so Kricketune can just be a Dragon if he wants to be.
Battle wise this would make Kricketune would be OU viable. However if you look at the stats and the beautiful art I made you will see that it is really similar to Dragonite. However it does have a few advantages over Dragonite like Bug type STAB and Technician. With Technician Kricketune can also hit quite hard:
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 220-261 (64.5 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Technician Kricketune Dual Chop (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO
And that is with Kricketune being Jolly and Dragonite having and Adamant nature. Kricketune might find a hard time setting up a Dragon Dance but if you can get one up you will almost be guaranteed to sweep. Ow yeah Kricketune also has Knock Off over Dragonite. So in short Kricketune would be similar to Dragonite with enough differences to set it apart and give it a unique niche.
time for me to do one of these again:
Made dis myself don't hate pls
Mega Kricketune
Typing: Bug --> Bug / Dragon
Ability: Swarm / Technician --> Technician
Stats:
Hp: 77
Attack: 85 --> 135 (+50)
Defense: 51 --> 66 (+15)
Sp. Atk: 55 --> 55 (+0)
Sp. Def: 51 --> 61 (+10)
Speed: 65 --> 90 (+25)
Moves: Dragon Dance, Dual Chop, Outrage
Small note that I am not going to make these entries with as much explaining as I used to because it takes a lot of time. So flavor wise this really makes like 0% sense, Kricketune doesn't learn any Dragon moves, none of it's Pokedex entries say anything about a Dragon and it doesn't look as intimidating as let's say any Dragon aside from maybe Altaria. However let's face it, if we were keeping Kricketune's original flavor he would either suck or have Huge Power and I wanted to be original. Besides Mega Pinsir pulled wings out of his butt so Kricketune can just be a Dragon if he wants to be.
Battle wise this would make Kricketune would be OU viable. However if you look at the stats and the beautiful art I made you will see that it is really similar to Dragonite. However it does have a few advantages over Dragonite like Bug type STAB and Technician. With Technician Kricketune can also hit quite hard:
252+ Atk Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 220-261 (64.5 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Technician Kricketune Dual Chop (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO
And that is with Kricketune being Jolly and Dragonite having and Adamant nature. Kricketune might find a hard time setting up a Dragon Dance but if you can get one up you will almost be guaranteed to sweep. Ow yeah Kricketune also has Knock Off over Dragonite. So in short Kricketune would be similar to Dragonite with enough differences to set it apart and give it a unique niche.
Um, Pinsir is based off of a beetle, which have wings. It didn't just pull wings out of its ass.
To be honest, my Celebi submission was about me trying to make a joke idea into a feasible and not broken idea.
Don't worry about it, I wasn't directing those comments at anybody in particular (plus you make good shit all the time anyway), and I don't even remember which one was yours, we cool
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Shit, went back and read yours
That has to be the most complicated ability ever made
You're a coder, what if that had won
Why would you do that to yourself
time for me to do one of these again:
Small note that I am not going to make these entries with as much explaining as I used to because it takes a lot of time. So flavor wise this really makes like 0% sense, Kricketune doesn't learn any Dragon moves, none of it's Pokedex entries say anything about a Dragon and it doesn't look as intimidating as let's say any Dragon aside from maybe Altaria. However let's face it, if we were keeping Kricketune's original flavor he would either suck or have Huge Power and I wanted to be original. Besides Mega Pinsir pulled wings out of his butt so Kricketune can just be a Dragon if he wants to be.
Hush, child. Give it a fabulous hair to match its gorgeous 'stache instead. It would make 100% sense, trust me. Just look at Mega Ampharos.
252 Atk Technician Kricketune Dual Chop (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 204-240 (59.8 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Technician Kricketune Dual Chop (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 306-360 (89.7 - 105.5%) -- approx. 25% chance to OHKO
Am I missing something?
EDIT: Your calc takes Kricketune's base attack as 155.
EDIT 2: But only after a DD too.
So so so, this time there isn't a single winner I agree with ^^'
But anyway, another two submissions by the almighy me: MEGA-BIBAREL and MEGA-EMPOLEON
Mega Bibarel (Bibarelite)
Typing: Normal/Water ------> Ground/Water
Abilities: Moody/Simple/Unaware ------> Floodilate (it causes all Normal-type moves used by the Pokémon to become Water-type and receive a 30% boost)
Stats: 79/85/60/55/60/71 ------> 79/115/90/55/70/101
New Moves: Earthquake, Ice Fang, Swords Dance
Description
Since Bibarel has to do a lot with mud, I thought that a Ground typing would fit it perfectly (besides the fact it has now only one weakness, instead of three). Its brand new ability makes it capable of using some of its old weapons (Body Slam, Return and the STABbed priority Quick Attack), but this time with an additional boost of 1.3x and a new typing: this, combined with a new great STABbed Earthquake, a quick boosting move in Swords Dance, and a flavor coverage like Ice Fang, makes Mega-Bibarel a capable physical attacker.
THREATS
Although its boosts in both of the defensive sides, Bibarel has still poor bulk for a Mega. And regardless of Ice Fang, most of the grass types are going to wall it completely, so you have to remove those threats before you can put Mega-Bibarel in work.
Mega Empoleon (Empoleonite)
Typing: Water/Steel ------> Water/Steel
Abilities: Defiant/Torrent ------> Sheer Force
Stats: 84/86/88/111/101/60 ------> 84/116/98/136/116/80
New Moves: Air Slash, Iron Head, Nasty Plot
Description
Mega-Empoleon goes offensive, tired of being a special utility wall. Thanks to Sheer Force, every move with a secondary effect would lose that effect and gain a 1.3x boost, instead of it. Which means: on the physical side, Rock Slide, Waterfall and the brand new STABbed Iron Head; on the special side, Flash Cannon, Ice Beam, Scald, Signal Beam and the brand new Air Slash (for flavor and coverage against Fighting types). With access to Swords Dance, and now even to Nasty Plot, Mega-Empoleon has become a bulky offensive threat: it can easily raise its attack to high levels, it can go both Physical and Special (or even mixed up things to catch you off guard), and it has a very good coverage in its movepool. Be aware!
THREATS
The worst thing about Mega-Empoleon is the lack of recovery, since now it can't even rely on Lefties for gaining back HP. And since its speed isn't the best out there, it can be slowly worn down by faster opponents.
I feel an overwhelming urge to punch you in the face. I'm so sorry we're not working hard enough to please you master, please don't strike me! >.<
Seriously, no one gives any shits about if YOU like the megas, the winners spent their valuable time to make these megas for everyone's enjoyment, and we don't need you to tell us how we should operate.
You probably forgot to change Kricketune's type to Dragon so maybe it didn't get the STAB boost.
A ton of things are, actually. And some slated things are already completed and on the google doc. So I have no idea what.
No, I did that. I moved Atk to 135 and included Technician as well.
Well than I probably made a mistake. Thanks for noting :)
So my computer got a major virus and I have to hard-reset it, which is taking longer than expected. I'll try to restore a backup later tonight, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. I had drafts for the next two slates of submissions on it, so hopefully it'll recover by tonight.
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