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Yeah, archeops is not that spooky...

BUT
WAIT A MINUTE.

Archeops@Pinsirite
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly nature
- Head Smash / Stone Edge
- Return
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack / Roost

170 Base Attack? Speed tie with Mewtwo? Stronk Flying STAB? A good Ability? Yes, please. Also with 100% more Priority.
 
JustAMan said:
Yeah, archeops is not that spooky...

BUT
WAIT A MINUTE.

Archeops@Pinsirite
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly nature
- Head Smash / Stone Edge
- Return
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack / Roost

170 Base Attack? Speed tie with Mewtwo? Stronk Flying STAB? A good Ability? Yes, please. Also with 100% more Priority.
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Scary indeed. Good thing it's easily revenge killed, but that doesn't stop it from just switching out to murder something else another day. Hm….

Actually, standard Skarmory can be sort of a counter if it runs Iron Head.

252 Atk Pinsirite Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 114-135 (34.1 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Why standard Ubers Skarmory apparently doesn't run Leftovers, I've no idea.

0 Atk Skarmory Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsirite Archeops: 164-194 (56.3 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you really want to take it out, though, there's Sablenite Skarmory:

252 Atk Pinsirite Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sablenite Skarmory: 91-108 (27.2 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

0 Atk Sablenite Skarmory Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsirite Archeops: 182-216 (62.5 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Pinsirite Jirachi tanks it and threatens an OHKO with an uninvested Meteor Mash.
 
FlameUser64 said:
Scary indeed. Good thing it's easily revenge killed, but that doesn't stop it from just switching out to murder something else another day. Hm….

Actually, standard Skarmory can be sort of a counter if it runs Iron Head.

252 Atk Pinsirite Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 114-135 (34.1 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Why standard Ubers Skarmory apparently doesn't run Leftovers, I've no idea.

0 Atk Skarmory Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsirite Archeops: 164-194 (56.3 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you really want to take it out, though, there's Sablenite Skarmory:

252 Atk Pinsirite Archeops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sablenite Skarmory: 91-108 (27.2 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

0 Atk Sablenite Skarmory Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsirite Archeops: 182-216 (62.5 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Pinsirite Jirachi tanks it and threatens an OHKO with an uninvested Meteor Mash.
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Still Head Smash threatens Skarm for 2HKO, with Sablenite risking it after some previous damage. IDK bout Rachi tho. Also, just thinking: Banettite Shuckle seems a cool option for support, with all the hazards and Power Split. Also, Banettite Skarm, with RestTalk, WW and BB
 
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If the whole point of this meta is that a Pokemon receives the same changes upon mega evolving that the regular user of the stone would, (ex. Pinsirite changing secondary to flying but not changing its primary etc.) shouldn't Aggronite remove the user's secondary typing as it does with Aggron?

Edit: Derp
 
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Heliolisk @ Sceptilite
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 Satk/252 Spd/4 HP
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast
-Electrify

Type: Electric/Dragon

Stats: 62/80/62/149/94/134

Spam Electrify and win. This set is basically beaten only by faster Pokémon and priority, assuming they don't switch into Electrify. It's advisable to run this with heavy hazard stacking to avoid costant switching from the opponent in the attempt of neutering Electrify.
 
PieRomancer said:
If the whole point of this meta is that a Pokemon receives the same changes upon mega evolving that the regular user of the stone would, (ex. Pinsirite changing secondary to flying but not changing its primary etc.) shouldn't Aggronite remove the user's secondary typing as it does with Aggron?
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It does.

FlameUser64 said:
Aggronite:
Atk +30, Def +50, Sp. Def +20, lose secondary typing, gain Filter, increase weight by 35 kg
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Right there in the OP. Emphasis mine.

Spam Electrify and win. This set is basically beaten only by faster Pokémon and priority, assuming they don't switch into Electrify. It's advisable to run this with heavy hazard stacking to avoid costant switching from the opponent in the attempt of neutering Electrify.
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It sounds like you're under the impression that Electrify is a permanent status. It isn't: It only lasts the one turn.

Regardless, I like it.
 
I know that Electrify lasts one turn only, but nothing is preventing you from spamming it until you gather the boosts required to sweep. Since I mentioned hazards, Gyaradosite Nidoqueen is likely one of the best abusers, sporting Mold Breaker Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock. For the record, her stats are 90/122/127/85/125/76, with a very neat Poison/Dark type; she also has STAB Crunch(Crunch>Knock Off in this meta btw, since it will very likely be overloaded with Mega Stones).

I was looking for Ground types with Crunch, as they would make great offensive users of the Gyaradosite, but I didn't found anything noteworthy. Same for Ground types with Dragon Pulse while searching for adeguate Ampharosite users. At least we do have adeguate Ground types with Outrage i.e. Rhyperior(115/160/150/105/75/30), or Landorus-T(89/165/110/155/100/81).

But while there isn't a whole lot that is useful with Gyaradosite, Gyarados itself is a great user of many Mega Stones including Altarianite, Pinsirite, Salamencite, Charizardite X, Aerodactylite, Blue Orb and probably a lot more that I'm missing.

Also maybe group every Pokémon in the OP under their respective Mega Stone, just to have a more ordered OP?
 
I was thinking mostly of using Red Orb on mons that has ground or rock as first type (because it would get rid of that 4x water weakness) like Tyranitar, but i guess i should think more "outside of the box" with mons that would really enjoy those stats, type and ability (not only to eliminate water attacks like i was thinking).

How about Blue Orb on Scizor to get rid of 4x Fire weakness AND a huge +50 atk boost and +20 SpDef?

Dragon Ascent on Tornadus/Tornadus-T for a no weakness pokemon lol

Blissey with Aggron mega-stone is like +50 def and almost no weakness too (Filter).

Kyurem with Pidgeonite has 195 SpAtk/115 Speed and spams Blizzard + Focus Blast like a boss.

Greninja with Heracrosite to spam Water Shuriken.
 
Neverman said:
I was thinking mostly of using Red Orb on mons that has ground or rock as first type (because it would get rid of that 4x water weakness) like Tyranitar, but i guess i should think more "outside of the box" with mons that would really enjoy those stats, type and ability (not only to eliminate water attacks like i was thinking).

How about Blue Orb on Scizor to get rid of 4x Fire weakness AND a huge +50 atk boost and +20 SpDef?

Dragon Ascent on Tornadus/Tornadus-T for a no weakness pokemon lol

Blissey with Aggron mega-stone is like +50 def and almost no weakness too (Filter).

Kyurem with Pidgeonite has 195 SpAtk/115 Speed and spams Blizzard + Focus Blast like a boss.

Greninja with Heracrosite to spam Water Shuriken.
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Tornadus doesn't get Dragon Ascent, only Rayquaza and Smeargle get it, plus Greninja can't use Heracronite (Thats the name) since it's an uber and that's not its specific mega stone
 
Neverman said:
I was thinking mostly of using Red Orb on mons that has ground or rock as first type (because it would get rid of that 4x water weakness) like Tyranitar, but i guess i should think more "outside of the box" with mons that would really enjoy those stats, type and ability (not only to eliminate water attacks like i was thinking).

How about Blue Orb on Scizor to get rid of 4x Fire weakness AND a huge +50 atk boost and +20 SpDef?

Dragon Ascent on Tornadus/Tornadus-T for a no weakness pokemon lol

Blissey with Aggron mega-stone is like +50 def and almost no weakness too (Filter).

Kyurem with Pidgeonite has 195 SpAtk/115 Speed and spams Blizzard + Focus Blast like a boss.

Greninja with Heracrosite to spam Water Shuriken.
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Scissor does appreciate the blue orb.
However, you'd have to play BH Mix N Mega in order to have dragon ascent Tornadus
 
Oh i thought every mon could learn Dragon Ascent in this metagame as a "free way" to give Rayquaza mega's stats and ability for all. Didn't remember about Greninja Uber lol
 
I should say that for mega blissey slowbronite is much better than aggronite. compare:
Slowbronite: +0/+70/+30/+0/+0
Aggronite: +30/+50/+0/+20/+0

Blissey prefers the special attack to the attack(foul play) and the extra 20 defense is much more useful than the 20 special defense since it won't die to any special attack

for a set:
Blissey @ Slowbronite
255/10/80/105/135/55
Normal
Shell Armor
-Wish/Softboiled
-Protect/Calm Mind
-Toxic
-Hyper Voice/Seismic Toss
 
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Throbulator36 said:
I should say that for mega blissey slowbronite is much better than aggronite. compare:
Slowbronite: +0/+70/+30/+0/+0
Aggronite: +30/+50/+0/+20/+0

Blissey prefers the special attack to the attack(foul play) and the extra 20 defense is much more useful than the 20 special defense since it won't die to any special attack

for a set:
Blissey @ Slowbronite
255/10/80/95/135/55
Normal
Shell Armor
-Wish/Softboiled
-Protect/Calm Mind
-Toxic
-Hyper Voice/Seismic Toss
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Dude you calculated Blissey's special attack wrong, it should be 105
 
Considering MMX stone get unsuspected then Rampardos with it comes to 245 base Atk lol

Still a slow glass cannon, but now cool.

EDIT: Victini with MMX stats spamming V-Create lol
 
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Blissey that can actually hit something? I'm impressed. The problem is that if you want STAB Hyper Voice you need a coverage move (Ghosts, Steels, and Rocks say hi), which means giving up Toxic. (You could run, for example, Hyper Voice + Shadow Ball, which is only resisted by Bisharp and Tyranitar.)
 
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jordanthejq12 said:
Blissey that can actually hit something? I'm impressed. The problem is that if you want STAB Hyper Voice you need a coverage move (Ghosts, Steels, and Rocks say hi), which means giving up Toxic. (You could run, for example, Hyper Voice + Shadow Ball, which is only resisted by Bisharp and Tyranitar.)
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Nobody uses Hyper Voice on Blissey though, Flamethrower is a better option
 
Neverman said:
Considering MMX stone get unsuspected then Rampardos with it comes to 245 base Atk lol

Still a slow glass cannon, but now cool.

EDIT: Victini with MMX stats spamming V-Create lol
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Keep in mind, though, that the Mewtwonite X turns Victini into a Psychic-Fighting Pokémon, making it lose STAB on V-Create. While it might not seem like an huge deal, it actually is when you realize that Aerodactylite allows you to hit harder while also having more bulk and speed. Even Metagrossite allows Victini to hit harder.

252 Atk Victini-Mewtwonite X V-create vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 205-242 (50.7 - 59.9%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Tough Claws Victini-Metagrossite V-create vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 285-336 (70.5 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Tough Claws Victini-Aerodactylite V-create vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 321-378 (79.4 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner, but:

Rotom-Frost with Pidgeotite
50/65/112/170/117/106
Ability: No Guard

This beast can launch 100% accurate STAB Thunders and Blizzards off of a massive 170 SpA stat. It's like BoltBeam coverage but better.

Granted, it's still outsped by a decent portion of the meta, and Electric/Ice is pretty abysmal defensively, but... STAB Thunder/Blizzard with No Guard, guys.

Nobody uses Hyper Voice on Blissey though, Flamethrower is a better option
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Why not? It's Blissey's strongest special STAB move, isn't it?
 
The Pizza Man said:
Nobody uses Hyper Voice on Blissey though, Flamethrower is a better option
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That was before, when it was a special wall and used it to bop Steel-types to have something over Chansey. Now, if you're using a stone that makes you a bulky special attacker, then you'd want to pack STAB.

Also here's a cool mon - Blue Orb Dragonite.

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91/184/95/130/120/80

I know at first the Pinsnirite Dragonite might be much more appealing. However, this makes Dragonite immune to Wisp and gives it pseudo-STAB on Water-type moves. It can also use Thunder or Hurricane on the side to bop whatever physical wall you want. Or don't, it's all up to you. This Dnite has a lot of options. You can even go full special, although 130 SpA is nothing compared to that destructive 184 Attack. Also it has really good bulk in 91/95/120. Only issue is its meh speed which can be fixed.
 
The Reptile said:
That was before, when it was a special wall and used it to bop Steel-types to have something over Chansey. Now, if you're using a stone that makes you a bulky special attacker, then you'd want to pack STAB.

Also here's a cool mon - Blue Orb Dragonite.

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91/184/95/130/120/80

I know at first the Pinsnirite Dragonite might be much more appealing. However, this makes Dragonite immune to Wisp and gives it pseudo-STAB on Water-type moves. It can also use Thunder or Hurricane on the side to bop whatever physical wall you want. Or don't, it's all up to you. This Dnite has a lot of options. You can even go full special, although 130 SpA is nothing compared to that destructive 184 Attack. Also it has really good bulk in 91/95/120. Only issue is its meh speed which can be fixed.
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Primodial Sea does not make you immune to Will-O-Wisp, as it only blocks attacks, not status moves
 
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