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thdhted said:
I would actually run focus blast over D-pulse, then you don't get walled by any variant of heatran.
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252 SpA Charizard-Red Orb Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran-Sablenite in Harsh Sunshine: 165-195 (42.7 - 50.5%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Only regular Heatran(likely going to not be used) and Heatran with a type changing Mega Stone will be able to take a Fire Blast from Red Orb Charizard.

And Pokémon such as Victini, Volcarona, Typhlosion, Hydreigon, Goodra, Togekiss or even Nidoking seem like better special abusers of the ability thanks to wider movepools and/or a secondary type and/or better stats.
 
Oh that reminds me: FlameUser64 you don't present an example case of why Kangaskhanite is barred from other Pokemon in the OP. I'm legitimately curious as to your line of reasoning beyond "well it's broken on Mega Kangaskhan".
 
Ghoul King said:
Oh that reminds me: FlameUser64 you don't present an example case of why Kangaskhanite is barred from other Pokemon in the OP. I'm legitimately curious as to your line of reasoning beyond "well it's broken on Mega Kangaskhan".
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252+ SpA Parental Bond Smeargle Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 166-198 (39.5 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

A pokemon with 40 SpA is capable of 3HKOing specially defensive hippowdon with parental bond
 
And? It also has STAB on a ridiculously powerful move and Hippowdon is neither an Uber nor has it been granted a defensive Mega Stone in your calc. That's not as good of a benchmark as you're suggesting.
 
How does luponite Staraptor sound
It has 130 speed
180 attack
Close combat/return give unresisted coverage with scrappy
and get's u-turn to punch holes and maintain momentum
Ambipom could work to
with 145 speed after megaing not much bar priority can hit it
It has 160 base attack and can abuse fake out to guarentee a safe mega
Knock off is usable however the debuff here make's it's use questionable
U-turn is definitely an option for momentum
well it doesn't get many fighting stabs it does get low kick to break heavy things considering that the only things that resist return are rock/steel types this shouldn't be a problem

The most powerful u-turn in the game has been up rooted
252+ Atk Adaptability Mega Beedrill U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 188-222 (55.1 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 189-223 (55.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Adaptability Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 202-238 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(lucarionite)
252+ Atk Tough Claws Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 211-249 (61.8 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(charizarditex)(unfortunitly loses bullet punch stab)
just for fun
252+ Atk Adaptability Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 226-266 (66.2 - 78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(bedrilite)

Yes Stab/pixilate boom burst has been brought up

On mewtwonite x
it is glaringly inferior to other items do to a near useless ability
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mew Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 208-246 (60.9 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(charizardite x)
252+ Atk Mew Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 184-217 (53.9 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(mewtwonite x)

khan juniours
becuase it's ability is blatently superior to virtualy every thing else and plus 30 attack/20 spAtack means that nothing can match it
252+ Atk Parental Bond Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 337-397 (98.8 - 116.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Adaptability Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
it would be over centralizing and the only other mega stone's that would see use are the ates and maybe the orbs(out side of species clause)
it is basicly a 1.5 boost on every move with a bonus effect
the ability out classes everything
2.25 on stabs
1.5 on non stabs
th only abilities simlar to this are weathers, strong jaw, mega launcher, and technition
which are extremely limited in their usefulness do to generically low power moves(and limitec effect
 
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I wrote this when i was lurking, and its theorymon but w/e

Nidoking w/Charizardite X
Stats
81/148/110/106/75/85
EV's: 252hp, 252 atk, 4 spdef?
Type: Poison/Dragon
Ability: Tough Claws
Moves:
Outrage/Dragon Tail,
Poison Jab,
Coverage/support
Coverage/support

Coverage examples: thunderpunch, fire punch, ice punch, aqua tail, sucker punch, head smash, megahorn, superpower, shadow claw, power-up punch

Support examples: stealth rock, dragon tail(listed), torment, disable

That's alot. He can succesfully deter fairies with his poison moves and/or torment, he can break various checks with his giant movepool, he can surprise people seriously he can carry stab tough claws dragon tail, stealth rock and tough claws sucker punch in his moveset and something to deal with flairies. Or he can run disable torment, which is terrible and awesome with his 81/110/75. You could also theoretically run this on the queenie with more bulk and less speed and power, and if you wantex to on either you could use one of their vast array of special olympics moves. His only real weakness is his slowocity and less-than-juggernaut attack, which i mean, isnt necessarily the best.

tell me why im worng
edit: i didnt mean for that to be combative but w/e
 
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This set has some promise, actually.

Poison/Dragon is actually a pretty solid improvement defensively. The Water weakness becomes a resist; Electric is still a resist even if it's not an immunity; Rock becomes neutral while Grass becomes a double-resist, and the only weakness it picks up is Dragon. Unfortunately, the offensive typing hurts a bit less, as Dragon over Ground results in lost neutral coverage. Klefki in particular is completely immune to its STABs (provided it uses a stone that doesn't change its Fairy type). You'll probably need Fire Punch for it.

The trouble with either Nido is the loss of Sheer Force, but given the fact that many of the stones result in ability changes, this is probably going to happen to a lot of pokes. Poison Jab remains the STAB of choice to get dem fairies, while on the Dragon side you're stuck with Outrage. Fire Punch gets you past Klefki (and any other Steels, for that matter). For your final slot can either toss rocks or, if you have another setter, run Dragon Tail to rack up hazard damage. (Not to mention that even at 60 BP, a TC/STAB-boosted DT can actually hurt things.)
 
khan juniours
becuase it's ability is blatently superior to virtualy every thing else and plus 30 attack/20 spAtack means that nothing can match it
252+ Atk Parental Bond Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 337-397 (98.8 - 116.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Adaptability Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
it would be over centralizing and the only other mega stone's that would see use are the ates and maybe the orbs(out side of species clause)
it is basicly a 1.5 boost on every move with a bonus effect
the ability out classes everything
2.25 on stabs
1.5 on non stabs
th only abilities simlar to this are weathers, strong jaw, mega launcher, and technition
which are extremely limited in their usefulness do to generically low power moves(and limitec effect
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Because everybody knows Blissey wants Kangaskhanite over defensive choices.

Kangaskhanite also has a weak Speed boost (Absolite is +40, for instance) compared to most other choices, at only +10. There's also several Mega Stones which, due to lowering some stat or another, are substantially more min-maxy -most Pokemon won't care about either the +30 Attack or the +20 Special Attack, putting it at more like +70/+80, where Tyranitarite is +100 delivered in full for a Physical attacker (And is a 50% Special Defense boost if you're a Rock type) or Heracronite is effectively +110 if you're a Physical attacker who expects to be outsped anyway. (Or expects to outspeed even with 10 less Speed -Heracronite Shell Smash Cloyster?)

It's also the case that Parental Bond's behavior comes with downsides that just don't crop up on Mega Kangaskhan -it double-triggers Close Combat's defense-downs just like it double-triggers Power Up Punch, for example, so it's a dangerous choice over a lot of other Mega Stones if you need a move with such an effect for some reason.

I readily admit that Kangaskhanite is very good, but that's not remotely the same thing as saying that it's broken or over-centralizing. The worst thing this says about it is that it's likely to be a staple Mega Stone on teams -you can't carry multiple copies of a given Mega Stone/Orb, so it's not as if it will shunt aside all other choices.

And in any event the point of the question is "Did FlameUser make this decision based on poking around and realizing legal Kangaskhanite was a Bad Idea, or did FlameUser just auto-ban it because Mega Kangaskhan itself is obviously broken and 'therefore' Kangaskhanite must be broken?".

That, and it's just odd to not have an example of ban reasoning for it in the OP when other things have examples.

Charizardite X Nidoking
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It can still run Earthquake as coverage, Tough Claws boost or no. In any event Sucker Punch seems somewhat mandatory given how many other things are going to outspeed it. I like it though.
 
Ghoul King said:
It can still run Earthquake as coverage, Tough Claws boost or no. In any event Sucker Punch seems somewhat mandatory given how many other things are going to outspeed it. I like it though.
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would drill run be better than earthquake? It gains 6 base or something like that and crit increase for minus 5 acc

unrelated is aegislash allowed? I saw somewhere that this uses ubers or maybe not idk, but if it is, how does stance change work?edit: like would it obly work on the initial defence form or whatever it is right then, cause it seems dangerous, heracronite would give it 60/210/80/180/70/60 stats with stab priority. am scare
 
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WeatherEffectRain said:
would drill run be better than earthquake? It gains 6 base or something like that and crit increase for minus 5 acc

unrelated is aegislash allowed? I saw somewhere that this uses ubers or maybe not idk, but if it is, how does stance change work?edit: like would it obly work on the initial defence form or whatever it is right then, cause it seems dangerous, heracronite would give it 60/210/80/180/70/60 stats with stab priority. am scare
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I just want to point out that if you were to mega as Aegis-Blade, you'd become it for the rest of the battle by melo-p logic and can't change to Aegis-Shield, which is weirdly less broken as one of the reasons Aegis was broken in the first place was due to KS giving it effectively 60/150/150/150/150/60 stats.
 
i just thought 210 with stab priority was something worth noting. Even if its not, i did find something kinda sorta related that i thought was coolio: a use for deoxys-n. With diancite his spread becomes 50/210/10/210/10/210. HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER, except for the harder part, cause carvanha outbulks him. but tHose offences are scary, and he gets magic bounce, so he cant be paralyzed either. Though you wouldnt need to, just need to use like poison sting or something he's deoxys paper form. priority isnt unheard of though so anything like that would scare him out i think.

edit: deoxys-a is jealous of diancite dude nuclear ant@diancite
 
WeatherEffectRain said:
i just thought 210 with stab priority was something worth noting. Even if its not, i did find something kinda sorta related that i thought was coolio: a use for deoxys-n. With diancite his spread becomes 50/210/10/210/10/210. HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER, except for the harder part, cause carvanha outbulks him. but tHose offences are scary, and he gets magic bounce, so he cant be paralyzed either. Though you wouldnt need to, just need to use like poison sting or something he's deoxys paper form. priority isnt unheard of though so anything like that would scare him out i think.

edit: deoxys-a is jealous of diancite dude nuclear ant@diancite
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deo-n is still uber
 
I disagree completely with letting Kangaskanite free. You get monsters like Kangaskanite Mew/[insert pixie here], Lando-T (175 Attack !!!), hell even Kyurem if that's your thing (125/160/110/150/110/105 stats are pretty fucking rad, even with no physical Ice STAB). The fact that it boost all stats pretty well (you'd be amazed at what 10 speed can do) and gives Parental Bond makes it too much imho.

Mew is pretty notable for having good stats (100/130/120/120/120/110) and access to Super Fang along with its huge movepool.
 
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I was defending Dragon Ascent for everybody because i thought Mega-Rayquaza was allowed (sorry again for that confusion i made) then seemed unfair weaker pokemon than Rayquaza could not use Dragon Ascent while Rayquaza itself with all his power could.

But now let's argue about Parental Bond:

Besides the stat bosts given by Kangaskanite, Parental Bond is broken because it works like your pokemon is holding Choice Band AND specs AT THE SAME TIME while making ALMOST ALL attacks multi-hit (which allow bypassing Substitute). And all of that WITHOUT the drawbacks of Choice Band/Specs (being locked into one move). Of course Huge/Pure Power is more broken because x2 is higher than 1.5x lol, but this 1.5x works for both Atk and SpAtk (not only Atk like Huge/Pure Power) and allow to break Substitute AND hit the pokemon behind it the same round. It also works with moves that doesn't depend of your offensive stat like Superfang and Seismic Toss.
 
This might not be viable, but I'd like to give a big shout-out to Diancite Electrode. Meta's highest speed.
Kangaskanite is absurd. No doubts about it. It would basically make this meta Parentalmons OU from day one.
 
Diancite Electrode
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Electric types tend to be glass cannons anyway, but the defense drops mean you're probably dying to a Sucker Punch. 140 SpA, though, is pretty decent. Unfortunately, Electrode doesn't have Nasty Plot, Grass Knot, or Focus Blast, leaving it without a boost or much in the way of coverage. I'm not even sure if it'd make a good revenge killer, since having a stone means no Scarf or Specs.
 
WeatherEffectRain said:
would drill run be better than earthquake? It gains 6 base or something like that and crit increase for minus 5 acc

unrelated is aegislash allowed? I saw somewhere that this uses ubers or maybe not idk, but if it is, how does stance change work?edit: like would it obly work on the initial defence form or whatever it is right then, cause it seems dangerous, heracronite would give it 60/210/80/180/70/60 stats with stab priority. am scare
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I completely forgot it got Drill Run. Yeah, Drill Run probably works better than Earthquake.

Anyway, Aegislash is legal, but not for Mega Stones because it's an Uber, and in any event it goes off base Form(e). (So if Aegislash is ever de-Ubered, then it'll be whichever Forme you Mega it in)

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I disagree completely with letting Kangaskanite free. You get monsters like Kangaskanite Mew/[insert pixie here], Lando-T (175 Attack !!!), hell even Kyurem if that's your thing (125/160/110/150/110/105 stats are pretty fucking rad, even with no physical Ice STAB). The fact that it boost all stats pretty well (you'd be amazed at what 10 speed can do) and gives Parental Bond makes it too much imho.

Mew is pretty notable for having good stats (100/130/120/120/120/110) and access to Super Fang along with its huge movepool.
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It's very interesting that everybody is interpreting "hey what's the reasoning behind the ban" as "I want it unbanned".

You're also missing the point that +10 Speed is iffy when plenty of other Mega Stones provide more in a meta where everything is either running a Mega Stone or is an Uber. Speed isn't worth anything unless it puts you ahead of the opposition.

It's also weird to be all "Oh no 175 Attack" in the Ubers tier. Yeah, it's 175 Attack backed by Parental Bond, but you know what? Scarf Kyogre isn't impressed in the slightest, and will murder your sorry butt.

Neverman said:
Besides the stat bosts given by Kangaskanite, Parental Bond is broken because it works like your pokemon is holding Choice Band AND specs AT THE SAME TIME while making ALMOST ALL attacks multi-hit (which allow bypassing Substitute). And all of that WITHOUT the drawbacks of Choice Band/Specs (being locked into one move). Of course Huge/Pure Power is more broken because x2 is higher than 1.5x lol, but this 1.5x works for both Atk and SpAtk (not only Atk like Huge/Pure Power) and allow to break Substitute AND hit the pokemon behind it the same round. It also works with moves that doesn't depend of your offensive stat like Superfang and Seismic Toss.
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I find it fascinating that "this Ability is really good" is being equated with "the Mega Stone that provides it is broken".

So let's do some actual calcs, since nobody can be bothered to check their assumption that it's broken. "It's broken! Of course it's broken! This doesn't even need discussion!" No.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Slowbronite Blissey: 262-310 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Not impressed.

252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Garchomp: 302-364 (84.5 - 101.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

This is an ordinary Mamoswine. If I give it Scizorite...

252 Atk Technician Scizorite Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Garchomp: 388-460 (108.6 - 128.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Meanwhile

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangashanite Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizorite Mamoswine: 324-382 (90.2 - 106.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

is sketchy, and this is with Mamoswine running zero bulk. Actually, the calc I'm using is missing 2 points in HP IVs for some reason, so less than zero bulk. Also it requires you try to hit things with Outrage, among other things in a meta with Altarianite. Also in a meta with GeoXern. You really want to give Xerneas a free turn to Geomancy and start the sweep, because you used your strongest attack?

But OK, since people are pointing out Landorus-Therian...

-1 252+ Atk Technician Scizorite Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Landorus-T: 300-352 (84.7 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Almost kills it. Meanwhile...

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizorite Mamoswine: 289-342 (80.5 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Also almost kills it. The problem being, that only being an almost means instead...

-1 252+ Atk Technician Scizorite Mamoswine Icicle Spear (2 hits) vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Landorus-T: 368-440 (103.9 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

... that Mamoswine can just murder it with Icicle Spear, no if ands or buts. Of course one can argue that Rocks will hit Mamoswine on the way in, but it's still not a for-sure kill and Mamoswine just goes back to its Ice Shard plan -which is actually more likely to OHKO a Rocked Landorus-Therian than the reverse.

Or how about something interesting.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Landorus-T Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pinsirite Jirachi: 193-228 (56.5 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is kind of sad on Landorus-Therian's part, and is the best it can do against Pinsirite Jirachi -Steel/Flying is a hell of a type. Meanwhile...

-1 252+ Atk Pinsirite Jirachi Ice Punch vs. 140 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Landorus-T: 224-264 (63.2 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

... means that even with an opening Intimidate it can kill Kangaskhanite Landorus-Therian reliably -and it will outspeed. Without Intimidate, even a Jolly Return is a clean 2HKO. It also outspeeds Kangaskhanite Garchomp, which has a really hard time KOing it.

4 SpA Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Garchomp Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Pinsirite Jirachi: 204-243 (59.8 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

is OK, but isn't enough -even with maxed investment it isn't. Meanwhile, Jirachi outspeeds and can hit with

252+ Atk Aerilate Pinsirite Jirachi Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Garchomp: 211-250 (59.1 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

just Return, let alone

252+ Atk Pinsirite Jirachi Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhanite Garchomp: 320-380 (89.6 - 106.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

Ice Punch and win the fight.

Heck, let's go calcing Scarf Kyogre against all these "omg broken" Kangaskhanite examples.

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhanite Garchomp in Rain: 432-508 (121 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Dead.

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhanite Mew in Rain: 382-451 (94.5 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Usually dead.

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhanite Celebi in Rain: 191-225 (56 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Oh look, that's a 2HKO. Oh no.

252+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhanite Celebi: 204-242 (59.8 - 70.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Meh.

252+ SpA Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Celebi Energy Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 324-381 (94.7 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Oh wow. I was honestly expecting Kangaskhanite Celebi to just OHKO it 100% of the time. That's kind of depressing. Not even getting into the fact that Yveltal can just switch in on anything it does and murder it.

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhanite Kyurem in Rain: 207-243 (51.1 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Sad.

200+ SpA Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 267-315 (78 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Can't even OHKO with Draco Meteor. Maxing the EVs doesn't fix it, it just raises the maximum roll to 95%.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Kyurem Dragon Claw vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 276-325 (80.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Better.

So OK Kyogre doesn't murder Kangaskhanite Kyurem, and Physical Kyurem can kill it quite well. That's cool. And then Altarianite-just-about-anything shows up and kills it, so meh.

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Legitimate points people have brought up.

-Fixed damage moves are pretty dumb with Parental Bond.

-Parental Bond is a really good Ability in general.

Neither of these is "omgbbqwtf obviously borked". The things that have been pointed to as "Oh no that's horrifying" are good, but I'm extremely skeptical that they're just flat-out broken. I find it hard to even particularly take seriously the argument that it pushes the meta in too offensive a direction -Ubers is already offensively weighted and Mega Stones are generally offensively weighted too, and it isn't even adequate to overcome Slowbronite Blissey so that's a questionable claim anyway, not that anyone has thought to make it.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Slowbronite Blissey: 279-330 (42.8 - 50.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO

Seriously. And, again, Ubers.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Landorus-T Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 248 Def Giratina-O: 178-210 (40.3 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Quite good, sure, but there's better things for picking on Giratina-Origin. And this one isn't even boosting its HP. Or running +Defense Nature.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhanite Landorus-T Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina-O: 162-192 (32.1 - 38%) -- 95.5% chance to 3HKO

Laaaame.

And I'm not even looking at more interesting walls. If Landorus-Therian isn't carrying Fighting, it can't touch Latiasite Aggron, period. And note that Landorus-Therian's best Physical Fighting move is Hammer Arm -which will therefore halve its Speed due to Parental Bond.

Stop just going "It's broken shut up".
 
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Ghoul King said:
It's very interesting that everybody is interpreting "hey what's the reasoning behind the ban" as "I want it unbanned".

You're also missing the point that +10 Speed is iffy when plenty of other Mega Stones provide more in a meta where everything is either running a Mega Stone or is an Uber. Speed isn't worth anything unless it puts you ahead of the opposition.

It's also weird to be all "Oh no 175 Attack" in the Ubers tier. Yeah, it's 175 Attack backed by Parental Bond, but you know what? Scarf Kyogre isn't impressed in the slightest, and will murder your sorry butt.
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I will admit I jumped the gun on my post.

Yes, Water Spout outdamages. However, it's also not consistent. Choice Scarf Ogre is also choiced lock into its move. It's also one of many abusers of the item - basically anything can abuse it, especially mons that already have good speed (which is where the +10 comes in, especially considering that most of the things taking up the speed boosters have meh speeds to begin with. There's also Ubers in general actually being a bit slower than OU in terms of Speed stat, but that just speaks more towards the Ubermons and not this meta, since this isn't Ubers.). For example, Keldeo seems pretty good with a CM + 3 Attacks. One of those are attacks is obviously Scald for that sick Burn chance. Wits its 91/102/110/149/110/118 stats and its STAB Secret Sword which can

252 SpA Parental Bond Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Slowbroite Blissey: 381-453 (58.4 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

and then just usually Scald Burn things.

There's probably other mons I can't think about. Thinking about it though, I don't see how its more broken than Mewtwoite X honestly. I think a suspect would be better than a quick ban tbh (I still think its broken, but I think a suspect would be fair).
 
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252+ Atk Parental Bond Mew Zen Headbutt vs. 8 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 306-360 (94.7 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO(kangaskhanite)
252+ Atk Mew Zen Headbutt vs. 8 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 259-306 (80.1 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(mewtwonte)
this diference becomes more profound at higer attack stats

As for special attack
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mew Psychic vs. 8 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 261-307 (80.8 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Mew Psychic vs. 8 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 220-261 (68.1 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(pidgeotite)
252+ SpA Adaptability Mew Psychic vs. 8 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 238-282 (73.6 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(lucaronite)
252+ SpA Sheer Force Mew Psychic vs. 8 HP / 4 SpD Abomasnow: 240-283 (74.3 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(camurptite)

it so thoroughly out classes other Stones it's note even funny
it is a technition plus serene grace for just about every move
 
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