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Munchlax (Analysis)

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TheFemaleTyrouge

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TheFemaleTyrouge said:
Hey Vader,

the Munchlax analysis by Trueluck hasnt been updated since the end of November and Trueluck hasnt been on since early January. Could I take it over?


TFT
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PM him first. If he doesn't respond within three days, it's all yours.
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Munchlax

Normal-type

Boom boom boom

[Overview]

  • Massive Atk, SpD and HP
  • Great movepool
  • Weak to common fighting type moves
  • A Tank
[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Return / Body Slam
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Fire Punch / Ice Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb / Pursuit
item: Eviolite / Oran Berry
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 196 Def / 76 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

  • Return provides as great neutral coverage and gets STAB bonus, paired with Munchlax's huge Attack, hits like a train
  • Earthquake has a great base power and hits many Pokemon
  • Ice Punch is for Gligar
  • Fire Punch for pesky Steel-types that may try to wall you
  • Pursuit nabs Pokemon as they try to switch and hits Misdreavus
  • Seed Bomb hits Frillish and many Water-types such as Tentacool
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

  • Adamant nature boosts your Attack
  • The EVs increase your Defense a little more since you lack in the stat and Attack is so you can hit harder while Special Defense is for spending those extra EVs
  • Thick Fat provides a great ability with this bulky Pokemon allowing you to take Fire and Ice-type attacks as if you had a resistance to them
  • Eviolite is great boosting Munchlax's already great defenses even higher
  • Oran Berry can be used bringing Munchlax's health back up but is a lesser option compared to the boosts Eviolite gives
  • Stealth Rock provides a good thing to have with Munchlax giving you a change to KO a variety more of things
[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Curse
move 2: Return / Body Slam
move 3: Fire Punch / Pursuit
move 4: Rest
item: Eviolite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

  • Curse is a set run to a high effectiveness by Munchlax
  • Return provides great neutral coverage hitting many Pokemon hard
  • Pursuit is great hitting most Ghost-types for super-effective damage who are otherwise immune to your STAB
  • Body Slam provides STAB and some paralyze support
  • Fire Punch is for hitting Steel-types hard
  • Rest is Munchlax's only option for healing but still useful as when the enemy thinks they are finally over with you, they have another full health Munchlax to deal with
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

  • Thick Fat is great giving your resistance to Fire and Ice-type moves
  • Careful boosts your Special Defense to a even higher state allowing you to take hits like a sponge
  • Careful is just the preferred ability, Sassy works also lowering Speed which also proves no use with Curse
  • EVs are to maximize the defensive stats we are not boosting
[SET]
name: RestTalk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Curse / Stockpile
move 3: Sleep Talk
move 4: Whirlwind / Return
item: Eviolite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

  • Designed to make Pokemon take entry hazard damage
  • RestTalk is great allowing you to Attack/Set up after healing off
  • Curse is to raise your Defense mostly allowing Munchlax to live longer
  • Whirlwind is to force switches
  • Return is another option giving you a attack but is also baiting in Misdreavus and Frillish
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

  • Thick Fat is great giving your resistance to Fire and Ice-type moves
  • Careful boosts your Special Defense to a even higher state allowing you to take hits on the side your not boosting
  • EVs are to maximize the defensive stats we are not boosting
  • Entry hazards required if running Whirlwind
  • Tesshido provides a great teammate setting up Spikes and Stealth Rock
  • Tentacool is good setting up Toxic Spikes
  • Snover sets up Hail helping to whither down Pokemon
  • Hippopotas can set up Stealth Rock and Sandstorm but while entry hazards are useful, must keep in mind that many common Pokemon resist Sandstorm such as Gligar and Magnemite
  • Duskull provides a great teammate with Will-O-Wisp also as both Munchlax and Duskull cover each others weakness but while it bolsters massive defense stats, Misdreavus sports a higher HP and great defenses so eithe is a viable option

[Other Options]

  • Munchlax can run a Stockpile set also boosting both defenses to a maximum of +3
  • As another way to heal, Recycle and Oran Berry can be done but with the loss of using a Eviolite is more a gimmick
  • Chesto Berry can be used to wake up after Rest and does okay with Recycle, could make a decent Stall set
  • Munchlax can run a SubPunch set to some effectiveness, with strong subs and good attack, you are likely to KO something with Focus Punch
  • Whith Munchlax's massive Attack stat and good defenses, running a Choice Band set will work consisting of Return, Pursuit, Ice Punch, and Fire Punch
  • Selfdestruct will hit hard
[Checks and Counters]

  • Stong Fighting-type Pokemon prove to be Munchlax's greatest weakness
  • High Fighting-type damaging moves, usually Physical such as Hi Jump Kick hit Munchlax like a train
  • Komatana proves to be a good counter resisting STAB then hitting hard with its large Attack stat
  • For RestTalk set Regeneration Pokemon such as Meinfoo and Slowpoke won't care about and Stealth Rock or Spike damage healing it off when Whilrwind is used forcing them to switch
[Dream World]

  • Gluttony
  • Eat you held berry at 50% health
  • Good if you choose to use pinch berrys such as Liechi but still all of them remain unreleased
  • Overall the ability seems to be outclassed by Thick Fat which gives you a 50% resistance to Fire and Ice-type attacks
 
name: Tank
move 1: Return/Body Slam
move 2: Earthquake/Brick Break
move 3: Fire Punch/Ice Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb/Pursuit
item: Evolution Stone / Oran Berry
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Att / 196 Def / 76 SpD

Or something.

Body Slam for para, and it lets you run less attack evs since those are for killing things with Return. On the other wing, getting those KOs with Return is important.

Earthquake outclasses BB like hell, with 33% more BP, BB is really only for Tessy, right?

Fire Punch for Tessy and Bronzor, Ice Punch for Gligar, who is hit by Return.

aaand Seed Bomb for Pururiru. Pursuit hits Misdreavus equally hard, and hits Pururiru harder, so...

Adamant gets some important KOs on...uh, I don't remember. Dratini?

EDIT: found it

Ice-eyes said:
Pursuit vs 36 HP Gastly:
236 Adamant Munchlax: 60% - 80% (no OHKO, may fail to 2HKO with Oran)
0 Atk Neutral Munchlax: 50% - 70%

Yeah, it sucks to not KO it even after a couple of rounds of LO damage, doesn't it.

Return Vs 28 HP Dratini
236 Adamant Munchlax: 90.5% - 114.3% (OHKO with SR, decent chance without SR)
0 Atk Neutral Munchlax: 76.2% - 90.5% (low chance of OHKO with SR)

Not OHKOing the most threatening sweeper since Gen I Mewtwo is pretty bad.

Return Vs 36 Def Munchlax:
236 Adamant Munchlax: 63.3% - 80% (Probable 2HKO through Oran)
0 Atk Neutral Munchlax: 53.3% - 63.3% (3HKO through Oran)

This is pretty big, especially if you're using Koffing.

Return Vs 0/0 Staryu:
236 Adamant Munchlax: 84.2% - 110.5% (good chance of OHKO with SR, some without)
0 Atk Neutral Munchlax: 78.9% - 94.7% (fairly low chance of OHKO with SR)

Staryu is the kind of frail thing it sucks to take two hits from because you missed the KO.

Return Vs 116/0 Mankey:
236 Adamant Munchlax: 95.5% - 113.6% (KO with SR, good chance without)
0 Atk Neutral Munchlax: 72.7% - 95.5% (very unlikely with SR, no chance without)

Again, 236 Adamant gets a lot of KOs on semi-frail pokes.

Earthquake Vs 0/0 Chinchou:
236 Adamant Munchlax: 129.9% - 153.3% (Yay)
0 Atk Neutral Munchlax: 90.7% - 107.2% (Chance without SR, guaranteed with)

Basically, Munchlax needs the attack to secure a lot of OHKOs. It's at the right Attack range where the power makes a massive difference (which is part of the reason Body Slam isn't standard).
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Gluttony
Eat you held berry at 50% health
Good if you choose to use the Oran Berry but overall the ability seems to be outclassed by Thick Fat which gives you a 5-% resistance to Fire and Ice-type attacks
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Gluttony doesn't effect Oran, which activate at 50% anyway.

And thick fat is a 50% resistance.

move 1: Curse
move 2: Return / Body Slam
move 3: Earthquake/Fire Punch
move 4: Rest / Fire Punch
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Recycle gimmick.

UnSTAB Pursuit on a boosting set: no.

Also, mention ChestoRest.

Stong Fighting-type Pokemon prove to be Munchlax's greatest weakness
High-powered Fighting-type damaging moves, usually Physical such as Hi Jump Kick hit Munchlax like a train
Komatana proves to be a good counter resisting STAB and Pursuit
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Because Pursuiting Komatana is a good idea. It's also BB, Fire Punch, and EQ weak.

Also, mention Subpunch, because Munchlax's subs are really damn bulky, and it prevents status from things like Slowpoke and Missy.

Mention Selfdestruct, because STAB Selfdestruct is awesome.

Mention CB because it's strong and gets near-perfect coverage in three moves, and Aaken dies to STAB Return and SR.
 
Darkamber8828 said:
name: Tank
move 1: Return/Body Slam
move 2: Earthquake/Brick Break
move 3: Fire Punch/Ice Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb/Pursuit
item: Evolution Stone / Oran Berry
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Att / 196 Def / 76 SpD

Or something.

Body Slam for para, and it lets you run less attack evs since those are for killing things with Return. On the other wing, getting those KOs with Return is important.

Earthquake outclasses BB like hell, with 33% more BP, BB is really only for Tessy, right?

Fire Punch for Tessy and Bronzor, Ice Punch for Gligar, who is hit by Return.

aaand Seed Bomb for Pururiru. Pursuit hits Misdreavus equally hard, and hits Pururiru harder, so...

Adamant gets some important KOs on...uh, I don't remember. Dratini?
Allrightie ill use that thanks

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Gluttony doesn't effect Oran, which activate at 50% anyway.
Ohkay

And thick fat is a 50% resistance.
Typo


Recycle gimmick.
Ill move it to AC

UnSTAB Pursuit on a boosting set: no.
Gives some nice coverage and hits missy >.>

Also, mention ChestoRest.
I wasnt aware chesto was realeased but i noticed it is now, I think ill put that in AC cuz Evo Stone does outclass it really



Because Pursuiting Komatana is a good idea. It's also BB, Fire Punch, and EQ weak.
k rgz

Also, mention Subpunch, because Munchlax's subs are really damn bulky, and it prevents status from things like Slowpoke and Missy.
Yeah

Mention Selfdestruct, because STAB Selfdestruct is awesome.
Okay if it were explosion MAYBE, Selfdestruct, no. im pretty sure it got a power drop also

Mention CB because it's strong and gets near-perfect coverage in three moves, and Aaken dies to STAB Return and SR.
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UnSTAB Pursuit on a boosting set: no.
Gives some nice coverage and hits missy >.>
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Neutral coverage (and even SE coverage, really) with an unboosted unSTABed 40 BP move is hardly coverage at all.

And if you do boost with Curse, they switch to a counter, and Pursuit is gonna be 40 bp forever.

Pururiru and Missy have ways around you spamming Pursuit, like WoW and NP, anyway.

Also, j/s STAB Selfdestruct>unSTAB Explosion.
 
Darkamber8828 said:
Neutral coverage (and even SE coverage, really) with an unboosted unSTABed 40 BP move is hardly coverage at all.

And if you do boost with Curse, they switch to a counter, and Pursuit is gonna be 40 bp forever.

Pururiru and Missy have ways around you spamming Pursuit, like WoW and NP, anyway.
Fine ill put it into OO

Also, j/s STAB Selfdestruct>unSTAB Explosion.
Mention I guess
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236 Att / 196 Def / 76 SpD

Can this be explained?

Also I'm pretty sure I've seen Restalk Curse around the ladder, but I need to test it because I'm not sure if it's actually good.
 
Agreeing with everyone about the RestTalk set. Curse | Whirlwind | Rest | Sleep Talk is great on stall teams, along with hazards. I think it deserves a set.
 
Choice Band Munchlax is actually great. I used to run one with Return / Pursuit / Fire Punch / Ice Punch and it raped all. It should at least get a mention.

Also, you know as well as I do that the Smogon's proper abbreviation for Attack is Atk, not Att. This is one of the things you should never try to be creative about and follow the real rules on.
 
ShinyAzelf- RestTalk set added
-Charmander-- I'm going to put that into OO because with Munchlax's massive Attack stat it will hit like a train

EDIT: sorry for double post, I hadn't noticed that i recently said something cuz forgot
 
Slash Stockpile with Curse on Resttalk, because without Return, Stockpile's better.

Mention Snover as a partner, because Hail damage really helps stall things out.
 
Darkamber8828 said:
Slash Stockpile with Curse on Resttalk, because without Return, Stockpile's better.

Mention Snover as a partner, because Hail damage really helps stall things out.
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Hippo works even better, because it can also set up Stealth Rock and take powerful physical attacks aimed at munchlax :)
 
perhaps duskull as they have great synergy and duskull can be an excellent physical wall if EVd correctly. Plus Munchlax can take pretty much and burned threat.
 
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