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Tournament MWP VI Format Discussion Thread

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My favourite format is:
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Monothreat

Although I really enjoy NatDex this generation, I feel it already has PLENTY of opportunities to be played, with its own circuit, MOMPL, NDPL which is a CA tour, NDWC, NDMPL and NDFL. In contrast, BW has far fewer opportunities, with only the BW Cup, MPL, and MFL (and you can’t play the tier both in MPL and MFL). This is a big issue for me, especially since to me the average skill level in a BW pairing is noticeably higher than in a NatDex pairing (BW had I think the best pool of players last MPL, except SM).

One solution could be to have 10 slot to accommodate everything yes, but I personally really dislike it. Increasing the number of slots dilutes the chances for highlight pairings and reduces the relative importance of each game. I understand the argument for giving newer players a chance, but NDFL was only three months ago, and it was the goal of this tournament. I’m confident that players who performed well there, like Penga, Ethereal, and Elvira, have secured spots in an 8-slot format without needing the extra slots.
 
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ORAS
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Multigen Bo3 (SS/SM/ORAS/BW)
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NatDex
Monothreat
Multigen Bo3 (SS/SM/ORAS/BW)

8 or 10 slots are both fine, I don't really have a preference. If there are 8 slots I don't think Monothreat or NatDex should be included as they are both OMs and there is an entire tour dedicated to OMs. I don't think 2 SV slots is enough so a third SV slot would be preferable over both of them. If there are 10 slots then I don't mind them being included as then we'd still be able to support 3 SV slots.

I'm also a big proponent of Multigen Bo3 as I think it really brings out the best in players and we typically see very good matchups. In the past we've had huge highlights in Bo3 almost every week that I played and I really enjoyed that (I think one year I faced Lycan, Decem, wanka, Chait, lax, Leru, feen in the same tour). There's some arguments about reusing teams in Bo3 and I don't really think that's a problem as when teams were reused in Bo3 in the past yet we'd still have really good matches. Since there's 4 oldgens it would just be rotating/random starting gen and then loser picks.

I'm in favor of a blind draft as I think it does spice it up a little bit. After some thinking even though a second-price auction would be more efficient I do think it would be funny to see the prices that players go for in a first-price auction.

I really dislike all of the proposed manager prices but if I had to pick one I would choose 15k/35k as it's the least punishing to draft yourself. I don't think any "weaker" managers should be deterred from self-buying if they want to, and 15k in a 100k budget is still a lot, even for a top player who could easily go 4-3. Not sure why we can't dynamically price managers like we did in the past.
 
This post isn't going to be super in-depth, but will explain the mods pov atm.

Hey so at the moment the forum mod team is considering these options as potential formats:
8 slots: 3 sv / 1 ss / 1 sm / 1 oras / 1 natdex / 1 threat or bw
8 slots: 4 sv / 1 ss / 1 sm / 1 natdex / 1 threat
10 slots: 4 sv / 1 of each old gen / 1 threat / 1 natdex

The reason were seriously considering 10 slots is because we want to give more players an opportunity to play in Monotype tours and give new players a chance. This also gives every metagame people want to see being played such as BW and Monothreat a chance to be featured in the tour instead of cutting them out. Also with the 8 slot format option (attributes or kaisers suggestion) to create enough of a distinction between MWP and MPL we cant practically mirror the same slots, so we choose the newer generations and popular OMs, since that is more likely to be played by the community. Also please do not suggest tiers that were not in the OP like UU / LC etc, we are definitely not entertaining any of those suggestions.

Personally speaking, I am a fan of the 10 slot format and would like to see that option happen.
Also please only post arguments for formats listed in this post.
 
yeah 10 slots is cool especially coming off of MFPL where a bunch of new faces shined in both cg and oldgens. i managed MFPL and a bunch of my players were people who hadn't played in (mono) team tours previously performed very well and seeing them make MWP would be super cool so i'll double down on support for 10 slots since it's officially on the table now.
 
Post got modded even though I mentioned 10 slots 4 SV, 4 oldgen, threat, and natdex. Definitely the most natural option with growing userbase and has the olden representation people are lusting over with the usual staple OMs. Anything less is a disservice to the community

Still down for blind drafting and a budget of 17.5/40. Great for shortening the draft time and makes the drafting process more chaotic and fun
 
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10 slots makes everyone happy, so we can go for it.

Although, I want to ask a few questions to the Mono staff.

Is 10 slots going to be the new format going forward for MWP? Or is it just for this year?

If 10 slots is the new format going forward, will we be doing a 10 slots MPL next year or going forward?

I was looking through the OP and the new discussion starting point post and didn’t see my questions answered, so I’m curious. I understand we’re focused on the current MWP format right now, so I’m not expecting any definitive answers.
 
MPL will have its own discussion separately; it is unlikely we increase to 10 slots before gen10 for MPL specifically, but since that’s not the point of this thread I’ll leave it at that.

10 slots moving forward for MWP specifically isn’t a guarantee, but we’re (obviously) looking to see how it can perform if people are interested in seeing it happen.
 
I personally think 10 slots makes the most sense currently, as stated previously by a fairy, it's a nice handshake between old gens and OMs, and speaking as a player who got into the Mono scene through MFPL as adjustments stated, I think this poses a logical next step for players like myself trying to break into Mono. I believe the Monotype playerbase can one hundred percent support the slots based on the activity of the community recently-- and the success of tours such as MOMPL and MFPL. The combination of CG, OMs, and old gens are going to support this too, drawing in more players.

I'm also in favour of having a pre-list for threat, there's no real drawbacks and it can only help managers and players. No real opinion on draft format, I think a normal salary cap draft is fine and efficient however and there doesn't need to be change here especially with a major format shakeup.
 
Personally I do prefer 10 slots for the format, seems like fun.

An alternate idea if we do do 8 slots: 8 slots: 4 sv / 1 ss / Old Gens BO3 (Gen 5/6/7) / 1 threat / 1 natdex

Just proposing this if 8 ends up being what we end up with because I do think old gens bo3 is a fun idea, I don't think it makes sense to fit in 10 slots but for 8 it would let us get the old gens representation while still fitting the oms.
 
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National Dex

Basicly the same as crash and i think this is the best format for this tour, i think formats like LC / CAP / Monothreat are unnecessary
 
As a general question... why is monothreat locked into this tour? Is it a grandfather clause? I genuinely don't know why it's like automatically in the tour? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy threat when I play it, but it just seems really weird that threat is just automatically in, especially since MOMPL literally still happening. Natdex falls into the same boat, maybe even a worse criminal since its well represented in its own circuit, tours, etc.

If any of these formats work, it has to the the 10 slot format, since we can just scratch all the itches.

Blind draft sounds cool and definitely will breathe some life into the auction
 
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crash said:
As a general question... why is monothreat locked into this tour? Is it a grandfather clause? I genuinely don't know why it's like automatically in the tour? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy threat when I play it, but it just seems really weird that threat is just automatically in, especially since MOMPL literally still happening. Natdex falls into the same boat, maybe even a worse criminal since its well represented in its own circuit, tours, etc.

If any of these formats work, it has to the the 10 slot format, since we can just scratch all the itches.
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Because if we don’t include Natdex and Monothreat and do an 8 slot format on top of that, you might as well rename this tour to MPL XI. Ending up with 4 SV / 4 Old Gens. If we did 10 slots without NatDex and Monothreat, what else are we putting there? Bo3? More SV slots? I do believe Monothreat falls under the grandfather clause, with NatDex being the newest addition to it. On the other hand, I believe these tiers fall under the category as placeholder slots. Possibly filler slots until we have more old gens to replace those slots so we can officially leave out Natdex and Monothreat. Until then, Natdex and Monothreat are must-haves in MWP.

The 10 slot format suggested keeps everyone happy for now. Our tier’s staff will cross the future format bridge for our major team tours when they get there.
 
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Because if we don’t include Natdex and Monothreat and do an 8 slot format on top of that, you might as well rename this tour to MPL XI. Ending up with 4 SV / 4 Old Gens. If we did 10 slots without NatDex and Monothreat, what else are we putting there? Bo3? More SV slots? I do believe Monothreat falls under the grandfather clause, with NatDex being the newest addition to it. On the other hand, I believe these tiers fall under the category as placeholder slots. Possibly filler slots until we have more old gens to replace those slots so we can officially leave out Natdex and Monothreat. Until then, Natdex and Monothreat are must-haves in MWP.

The 10 slot format suggested keeps everyone happy for now. Our tier’s staff will cross the future format bridge for our major team tours when they get there.
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Im sorry, but this made 0 sense. You’re literally ignoring the fact a MONOTYPE team tour is literally in a tiebreak ONGOING with all the OMs anyone could want to play. Also, who said leave out threat and natdex in 10 slot??? I surely didn’t say that, but please AS A COMMUNITY can we drop the silly notion that we can’t have 2 ACTUAL competitive tours in a year. Just don’t sound right to me to have Threat and Natdex represented in these tours the same if not more than old gens.

Either have both natdex and threat with 10 or neither with 8, I think it’s really that simple
 
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10 slots seems like the best route, everyone seemingly gets what they want, and no old gen gets randomly siloed out from the tournament and thus our community. Much like MWP 4 was the testing ground for 6 slots (lmfao), I don't see why MWP 6 can't be a testing ground for 10 slots.

This is just a random curiosity thing and isn't super related but also is at the same time so bear with me. I agree with crashy in that if we do 8 slots we should just do SV + Old gens, while 10 slots should include NDM + Threat. I know that contradicts my last post in which I said adding those OMs are fine and while I still agree with that, I also think that taking the direction of being "MPL 2" is also a fine idea. Is there a particular reason the TLs/Forum Mods/Whoever else need MWP to have a tangible distinction from MPL? Having tours be incredibly similar slot-wise isn't really a foreign concept across most subforums on Smogon, and we're like the only tier without consistently 3 high-level team tournaments throughout the year (no offense but I'm not really counting MOMPL as a big team tour). With Mono WCOP being every other year (?), we might as well just bite the bullet and let MWP be MPL 2. Which, for what its worth, I don't see the issue with this at all. I feel like this idea is getting a lot of unwarranted hate for no reason (it being "boring" is a subjective argument and also doesn't hold much weight to me). With that in mind we could just make a third team tour like Monotype Blind Draft as Ken was mentioning since a lot of people aren't a fan of WCOP as it's pretty unbalanced.

Since that kinda segues into my next point, I'm not a huge fan of blind draft for this edition of MWP. Obviously my take is purely subjective but when I did manage a BD tour I kinda hated the feeling of it. It's just gambling simulator and didn't feel rewarding at all as a manager / drafter. I feel like you just have to intentionally overpay on most people to hope that you get them, and if you throw out a price that you think is fair for a user there's probably a pretty good chance you somehow underpaid the hell out of them. There's a chance for teams to just continuously shoot themselves in the foot for reasons that aren't really their fault tbh and blah blah, I just didn't like the feeling of it and I'm sure some people maybe feel the same (maybe not of course) but I didn't see anyone advocating against BD so I thought I'd be one of the few to do it I suppose. I think right now MWP's identity and just the direction its going is really new and adding a new way to draft into the mix might just be a lot all at once and also if forum mods consider the proposal to just change WC -> a different annual tour since that's been an ongoing issue that could just be Monotype Blind Draft. Anyway another 2 cents from me I'm sure people are thrilled to read another post of mine yayyy
 
Hey, I just wanted to chime in and voice my support for a 10-slot format. a fairy said it well - more slots and more players is more fun! Allowing more slots will also give newer players an opportunity to break into the tour scene, which is really important! That said, I would like to see all generations of Monotype 5-9, SV Natdex Monotype, and Monothreat be played.
 
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