My Best OU Team Please Rate

Deranged

This team has won me a bunch of matches and it rarely loses. Its just that it everyone on the team covers, compliments, works, and is powerful together. But I got myself thinking, shouldn't I get this rated so it can improve? And thats what I'm doing. Everyone, I present to you, my best OU team.

Note: Changes are in red


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Heatran
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Rash
EVs: 172 HP/252 SpeAtk/82 Spe
Moves: Overheat/HP Grass/Stealth Rock/Explosion

Description: Heatran is quite possibly my best anti lead yet. He helps me put immediate pressure on teams utilizing Lead Machamp, and Defensive teams leading with Forretress or Skarmory. Offensive pressure is very important for teams like this, and Heatran provides that really well, right from the get go. Life ORb Heatran fares much better against the top leads than Gliscor, who is forced out far too easily due to only one attacking move. 172 HP helps switch in on random Rest Talk Rotom-A Thunderbolts on Stall teams, and a bunch of other neutral uninvested Special Attacks. Team using Lead Machamp always attempt to Dynamic Punch Heatran, but the power of max SpeAtk, Life Orb, and Overheat is so powerful it OHKOs Machamp before it can happen. Plus thanks to Machamp's No Guard, Overheat is guarateed to hit.


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Flygon
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Moves: Outrage/Earthquake/U-turn/Thunder Punch

Description: The revenge killer of the team and Scizor's U-Turn partner. (Scizor will be mentioned later) With Flygon, I have an excellent way to revenge kill all Dragon Dance Gyarados variants, Dragon Dance Dragonite, and Mixed Flygon. Its pointless to run Jolly when the majority of the metagame is slower than Flygon with a Choice Scarf so Adamant helps with power. If someone gets 1 Dragon Dance with Gyarados with either a Jolly or an Adamant Nature, Flygon is still fast enough with an Adamant Nature to outspeed and OHKO with Thunderpunch. Synergistically, Flygon and Scizor pair remarkably well as a U-turn duo, covering each other's weaknesses and being able to scout out dangerous threats to remove for Tyranitar's or Gyarados' sweep. Teams I've seen utilizing U-turn Flygon and Scizor apply and maintain pressure on there opponent, giving very little breathing room to the opponent.


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Tyranitar
Item: Lum Berry
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 HP/252 Spe
Moves: Dragon Dance/Stone Edge/Earthquake/Crunch

Desription: The good ol' Dragon Dancer. Quite dangerous once set up. The Lum Berry is there so that it can take a status and freely Dragon Dance and then retaliate. The Jolly Nature allows Tyranitar to outspeed Starmie and other Pokemon with a base Speed of 115 after 1 Dragon Dance.


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Shaymin
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/72 SpeAtk/184 Spe
Moves: Leech Seed/HP Fire/Seed Flare/Protect

Description: Shaymin provides an excellent check to Suicune and other Water-types, as well as being an annoyance to Stall in general. For example, I basically switch in on Suicune and 2HKO it with Seed Flare before it 2HKOes me with Ice Beam, and I can always recover health back via Leech Seed+Protect. Things like Infernape and Heatran love to switch in on Shaymin, catching them off guard with Leech Seed and switching to Gyarados/Flygon on the Fire-type attack will mean they will regain their lost health back, especially Gyarados who loses a chunk from Stealth Rock. I can use a bulkier spread too, but I feel speed is very important for this team, and so I used a max/max spread, to check the Offensive Waters and provide a fast Leech Seed.


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Scizor
Item: Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe
Moves: Bullet Punch/Pursuit/U-Turn/Superpower

Description: As mentioned with Flygon, Scizor is a great U-Turn partner/scout and covers Flygon's weaknesses, same with Flygon so both work synergistically. I don't really find a lot of times where Pursuit is handy although it has worked a few times so I would appreciate a tip on that if possible.


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Gyarados
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 156 HP/72 Atk/96 Def/184 Spe
Moves: Dragon Dance/Taunt/Waterfall/Stone Edge

Description: Ah yes, the Bulky Gyarados set. Between Shaymin+Gyarados I cover Stall really well, Shaymin taking on Rest Talk Rotom-A for Gyarados, and then Gyarados using Taunt+Dragon Dance to sweep the team. Gyarados easily walls Infernape, Lucario, and Heatran. When opposing Heatran try to Earth Power my Heatran, I switch to this guy and Dragon Dance to see what my opponent switches to. If its something that can stall and wall me like Vaporeon, I can just Taunt and do another Dragon Dance. Then I proceed to Stone Edge the thing. Gyarados really covers Heatran well and the Bulky set allows me to defeat stall, wall, cover Heatran, and sweep at the same time.


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Rate Please!
 
Hey this is a pretty cool team, but I'd like to suggest a few changes. I notice you have an offensive spread on Shaymin when using a moveset that demands more defensive investment. With a more defensive spread, you could switch Shaymin into Gyarados and friends better without weakening flygon.

A more defensive spread would also give you more survivability, the ability to take on Gyarados and Kingdra better, as well as allowing Shaymin to act as a second Lucario check should Gyarados drop below 60%. The spread I had in mind was a simple 252 HP / 72 SpAtk / 184 Spe Timid. This will allow you to outrun Lucario and Suicune to hit them both with Hidden Power [Fire] and Seed Flare respectively.

Not too much else I can say, its a very solid team.
 
This is a marvelous team. Everybody seems to be good, but for Gyarados, replace Taunt for Ice Fang, because then you'll be able to handle more Pokemon better, like Grasses and Dragons.
 
Sir Koopaman said:
This is a marvelous team. Everybody seems to be good, but for Gyarados, replace Taunt for Ice Fang, because then you'll be able to handle more Pokemon better, like Grasses and Dragons.
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I would probably keep taunt over ice fang because it will stop you from getting phazed or statused if your boosted, and as you said in your description it helps beat stall and get free boosts.

change the ev's to a defensive spread like heist said

good team and good luck with it!
 
Sir Koopaman said:
This is a marvelous team. Everybody seems to be good, but for Gyarados, replace Taunt for Ice Fang, because then you'll be able to handle more Pokemon better, like Grasses and Dragons.
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If u take out taunt a defensive breloom would be able to counter 4 of your pokes, and with 1 or 2 turns of set up even be able to KO' the heatran with mach punch, i use a defensive breloom and it pretty much wall gyarados(barring Bounce), scizor, flygon(baby scizor), and can Ttar, which is KO's after being walled, 252def 252 hp Breloom (mach punch, swords dance, seed bomb, spore) try doing damage calc and see
 
Ice Fang is terrible on Gyarados, leave Taunt where it is. Like Heist mentioned, SubSeed Shaymin appreciates a more defensive build, although a lot of speed is still very helpful.

This is a pretty good, if VERY standard, team, and its hard to find weaknesses to any offensive threats. Gyarados seems to be getting slightly overloaded, e.g. things like SD Lucario and Infernape if used together could run through you. I'm not going to suggest a change, just suggest that, where you can, don't rely on Gyarados to check things like Heatran which can take a huge chunk out of its health. Really, just play carefully with Gyarados.

Apart from that, I just want to propose a change of set for your Tyranitar. Dragon Dance Tar is somewhat inferior in the current metagame; pretty much every team carries multiple decent checks for it, especially with the popularity of Flygon. There are two main alternatives I'd like you to consider. The first is a TyraniBoah or a MixTar, both of which break stall (which even with Gyarados can severely trouble you) and in particular help to clear the way for Gyarados to sweep. The second is a Shuca Berry DD set, with Ice Punch, which works because almost all teams nowadays rely on Ground types to counter DD Tar (it's also one of the best ScarfGon lures possible, clearing the way again for Gyarados).

One last thing, be careful of stall. Heatran is a lead and doesn't tend to live long; if Shaymin is hurt (e.g. Toxic Spikes down) then Skarmory in particular can destroy you, completely walling Flygon, Scizor, and Tyranitar before it sets up.
 
Thanks for the rate. I think ill try MixTar. But I have a question, which of the 3 moves would fit my team most?

Flamethrower
IceBeam
Dark Pulse/Crunch/Thunderbolt
Superpower

I might do Thunderbolt since I don't have much to counter Suicune and Vaporeon but your opinion?
 
Nice team,

you should try out Life orb DD tyranitar, while it may seem completely pointless, it allows you to OHKO flygon after one dragon dance, and flygon will outspeed you even at +2. It also allows you to 2hko swampert and is much more effective vs stall teams and also for cleaning up. Btw neither can OHKO you with earthquake. With a life orb you should also try using fire punch over earthquake, it gives you better coverage hitting pokemon like brelloom, and still OHKO's things like Jirachi. I would also note that

I think you should also test out substitute on shaymin, I think the sub seed strategy is much more effective than protect leech seed.

hope i helped
 
your wrong. after 1 DD Tyranitar is still not fast enough to take down scarfed Flygon, which everyone uses plus I'll be 2OHKOed by Swampert before I can 2-3OHKO back. So sorry, I'm not gonna try that
 
For the MixTar, I'd go with one of the STAB's, as I remember they're about equivalent in power even if Crunch is uninvested. Dark Pulse does mean you won't have to split any EV's.

LO DD for Tyranitar isn't a terrible suggestion, but in my experience it just doesn't have much sweeping potential. You'd probably be better of using Choice Band as a wall breaker instead of that.
 
Looks like a great team. The only advice I'd like to offer is perhaps to try out Roserade / Venusaur over Shaymin, using a similar set. One advantage that this gives you is the ability to soak up Toxic Spikes, which further helps out against stall. While most of your team is immune to T-Spikes, both Tyranitar and Shaymin are fairly troubled by them, so this change is worth consideration. Both Roserade and Venusaur also have Sleep Powder to shut down opposing threats.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for the rate, however, one thing that Venusaur and Roserade lack are the balanced base stat spread that Shaymin has and a powerful Grass STAB that does not have a negative side effect. Roserade seems a little tempting to try, but it doesn't last as long as Shaymin does. Venusaur? No. Sorry. But overall, thanks for the rate
 
Replacing Shaymin with a grounded Poison type to absorb up T-Spikes sounds like a great idea. At least that way you wouldn't have to waste a Rapid Spin to get rid of T-Spikes. But you have a point on the powerful STAB Seed Flare. I've had the unfortunate experience of suffering it's 40% SpD drop several times.

Personally, I prefer the BaitTar set. But it's been working for me great cuz I run stall and he usually takes out the usual counters to my team. If running MixTar, I would probably g with T-Bolt for the 3rd move. Dark Pulse is tempting for a STAB move though. So you could try to use T-Bolt over Flamethrower, and still use Dark Pulse's STAB bonus. But without Flamethrower, you would have to really be careful with when you want Heatran to Explode.
 
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